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July 31, 2010 10:44:13 PM

Hello fellow pc builders. I've been gone for a while, but I'm back with a question for the house. I currently have a gtx 260. It is an excellent card and has served me well. However, it is starting to show it's age, and I'm looking ot upgrade. First thing I'm going to do is to upgrade my mobo, ram, and hard drives. I plan on getting the Asus m4a77t am3 motherboard and g skill 4gb ddr3 ram. I have a phenom 2 x4 955 3.2 gig processor already, finally going ot the ram it was optimized for. I'm using a 650 watt corsair bronze standard single rail power supply wiht 624 watts on the 12 volt rail.

After I get those parts installed, the next major purchase will be the card. I was going to go and get the gtx 470 for about 349. I then saw that the gtx 465 is almost 100 dollars cheaper, and still a huge step up from my gtx 260. I play a lot of fps games like team fortress 2, battlefield bad company 2 and red faction guerilla. I also play Starcraft 2 (of course) Mass Effect 2, Dragon Age Origins, Supereme Commander 2, and All Points Bulletin. I never run the resolution beyond 1600 by 1200, but I like to run my game at max, close to max settings.
I have looked at a couple of benchmarks, and the 470 does seem to, at least on paper, give a decent chunk of better performance that the 465, but I want to hear from the horses mouth (you guys). In short, is the gtx 470 with the almost 100 more asking price vs the 465, or is the 465 just about as good as the 470, and more of a real bargain. Just looking for some more input. I plan on getting the card in about a months time, 2 weeks after I get the mobo and ram.

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a c 130 U Graphics card
July 31, 2010 10:56:51 PM

Since you're going AMD, you should probably get a Crossfire setup. 2x HD5770s will beat both GTX465 and GTX470 while costing only $280.

Also, the GTX465 is considerably worse than the 470.
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July 31, 2010 11:11:01 PM

You don't say?. Might have to rethink my mobo then. Any suggestions. I limited my research to nvidia chipset boards. Any ddr3 mobo suggestions with crossfire would be welcome.
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July 31, 2010 11:50:56 PM

forget 465 has 460 is just as quick. i use to have 5770 in xfire. i now have a single 460 which is just as quick in most games, minium fps tend to be higher on the 460 so better game play. i use 1920 x 1080.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
July 31, 2010 11:59:19 PM

This one would do fine.
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August 1, 2010 12:00:34 AM

narwen said:
forget 465 has 460 is just as quick. i use to have 5770 in xfire. i now have a single 460 which is just as quick in most games, minium fps tend to be higher on the 460 so better game play. i use 1920 x 1080.


While minimum frames may be a bit better, you can't possibly say a GTX460 is better than an HD5870, which is true for the HD5770. In games that support crossfire, of course, which are the majority.
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August 1, 2010 12:42:03 AM

narwen said:
i am overclocking 460@800, fps are about the same has a 5870

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3810/nvidias-geforce-gtx-...

Oh really?


See where the 460 ends up when you OC the HD5870 to 1000Mhz.
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August 1, 2010 1:06:13 AM

Bfbc2 is Fermi's weakest game right now. User dirt 2 for example, a o/c 460 would beat 5770 crossfire. There is long review at legionhardware where a stock 470@607 mhz was 9% slower across all games than 5770 crossfire, with min fps as good or better.
A gtx 460 can comes close to a gtx 470 at around 825 mhz.
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August 1, 2010 1:11:25 AM

notty22 said:
Bfbc2 is Fermi's weakest game right now. User dirt 2 for example, a o/c 460 would beat 5770 crossfire. There is long review at legionhardware where a stock 470@607 mhz was 9% slower across all games than 5770 crossfire, with min fps as good or better.
A gtx 460 can comes close to a gtx 470 at around 825 mhz.


Once again, I'm reminded why I like to come to the Toms Hardware forums. So much good information!!! I've been building pcs since abou 2001, but I'll be honest, I've avoided crossfire and sli configs because it doesn't work on certain games and such. Honestly, how many games does crossfire actually work well on? I would hate to get a crossfire board, and the 2 cards, only to have it not work on most of may games. I would be very angry.
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August 1, 2010 1:23:31 AM

robzilla06 said:
Once again, I'm reminded why I like to come to the Toms Hardware forums. So much good information!!! I've been building pcs since abou 2001, but I'll be honest, I've avoided crossfire and sli configs because it doesn't work on certain games and such. Honestly, how many games does crossfire actually work well on? I would hate to get a crossfire board, and the 2 cards, only to have it not work on most of may games. I would be very angry.

Most modern games support SLI/Crossfire quite well actually, but actually getting a board to do that isn't worth it, especially at low resolutions like yours. Consider it on your next build/upgrade perhaps. Besides, there are still little problems like micro-studdering you'll have to worry about.

Heres 2 cards to consider, both great price points.

a HD5850 for $245, beats the GTX460 in terms of raw power on stock, and holds its own when it comes to OC.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

a GTX 470 for $280, besides heat, a very potent card that will max out almost every game as of now @1600*1200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a c 130 U Graphics card
August 1, 2010 2:54:32 AM

The problem is that a GTX470 is his final upgrade. With an HD5850 or so, he can upgrade to one later.

notty22 said:
Bfbc2 is Fermi's weakest game right now. User dirt 2 for example, a o/c 460 would beat 5770 crossfire. There is long review at legionhardware where a stock 470@607 mhz was 9% slower across all games than 5770 crossfire, with min fps as good or better.
A gtx 460 can comes close to a gtx 470 at around 825 mhz.


You're being extremely contradictory. You say a GTX460 OC beats an HD5770 crossfire, yet loses to a GTX470.
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August 1, 2010 3:20:59 AM

shadow187 said:
The problem is that a GTX470 is his final upgrade. With an HD5850 or so, he can upgrade to one later.



You're being extremely contradictory. You say a GTX460 OC beats an HD5770 crossfire, yet loses to a GTX470.

No, what I said in Dirt 2, they both beat ATI's offerings take your pick, they beat the 5870 as well.
The gtx 460 o/c approaches the 470@600 mhz. I'm not going to say the 460 is a faster card. The 470 can o/c as well. I should have said 'average across all games'. In that one game, Dirt2 Nvidia cards destroy ATI cards, much like ATI cards are doing to Nvidia in BFBC2 benchmarks.
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August 1, 2010 3:55:59 AM

my system i860@3600 4gb ram@2100 display 1920x1080

5770 in xfire crysis high setting unplayable min fps 16
460 oc@800 crysis high setting with 4aa playable min fps 36

min fps 30+ = playable.
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August 1, 2010 4:14:08 AM

narwen said:
my system i860@3600 4gb ram@2100 display 1920x1080

5770 in xfire crysis high setting unplayable min fps 16
460 oc@800 crysis high setting with 4aa playable min fps 36

min fps 30+ = playable.



Considering these are old drivers..you're doing something immensely wrong.
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August 1, 2010 4:19:14 AM

i'm guess chart is avg fps. if you had a game with 100 fps avg and 20 fps min its still unplayable
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August 1, 2010 4:23:50 AM

crysis is set to very high not high
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August 1, 2010 7:13:53 AM

With the newer drivers from Nvidia, I think that a 470 would perform quite close to the 5870(excpt in a few titles like BFBC2).So, the GTX 470 is a much better option than a GTX 465.
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August 1, 2010 2:01:00 PM

Tamz_msc said:
With the newer drivers from Nvidia, I think that a 470 would perform quite close to the 5870(excpt in a few titles like BFBC2).So, the GTX 470 is a much better option than a GTX 465.


Doubt it. After reading another review, the 5870 often gets a 10%+ lead on the 470. In this season of GPU, there is no bracket. For ANYTHING.

-5750
-5770
-5830
-GTX465
-GTX460
-HD5850
-GTX470
-HD5870
-GTX480
-HD5970


Everything is in its own bracket.
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August 1, 2010 2:57:47 PM

shadow187 said:
Doubt it. After reading another review, the 5870 often gets a 10%+ lead on the 470. In this season of GPU, there is no bracket. For ANYTHING.

-5750
-5770
-5830
-GTX465
-GTX460
-HD5850
-GTX470
-HD5870
-GTX480
-HD5970


Everything is in its own bracket.

Are you sure? Check Guru 3d's article this out :
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-sli-revie...
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August 1, 2010 10:11:37 PM

Tamz_msc said:
Are you sure? Check Guru 3d's article this out :
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-460-sli-revie...


Thanks for that chart man. I've narrowed it down to either the ati 5850 or the gtx 470, wit hthe 5850 1 gig winning out slightly. I can ger the 5850 for 299, and the gtx for about 360 ish. This is the board I would get if I got the ati

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Let me know what you guys think. Looks pretty good to me.
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August 1, 2010 11:55:53 PM

shadow187 said:
Same price..that motherboard might be 16x/4x.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also, Sapphire has an HD5850 for $283 or something. Plus, with a Corsair 600W, you can add another one in a few months should you desire to do so.


Well, I already have a Corsair 650 watt psu. Glad I paid the extra money for it now.....
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August 7, 2010 5:01:34 AM

Best answer selected by robzilla06.
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