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GTX 460 vs HD 5850 - oh lord. but I could use some input.

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September 6, 2010 4:51:11 PM

So I'm trying to settle on my new build... gonna go with an i5 760, Asus P7P55D-E Pro Mobo... I've put together a complete build with the nicest 5850 for $1016 (shooting for $1000 range).

I'm also hearing a lot about the gtx 460

Putting some last minute thought into the graphics card I'm finding lots of conflicting reviews on the two cards... which is better? or another option better than 5850? I do plan on crossfire eventually. Here's the build: primary gaming BTW

Intel Core i5-760 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80605I5760
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2. ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
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2. CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply


http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

1. Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
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2. LITE-ON 22X DVD Writer Black IDE Model iHAP422-98 LightScribe Support
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and finally the card I'm lookin at

XFX HD-585X-ZAFC Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I think it's a solid build but I wanted to run it by the community esp. in regards to the video card

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September 6, 2010 4:55:52 PM

This topic has been moved from the section Graphics & Displays to section Systems by Mousemonkey
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September 6, 2010 5:01:48 PM

Mousemonkey said:
This topic has been moved from the section Graphics & Displays to section Systems by Mousemonkey


How embarrassing :??:  . Well, I figured the topic was primarily a/b the cards, so.... but whatever! Whatever encourages discourse on the topic
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September 6, 2010 5:08:58 PM

This is a tough call. The 460 is the best "bang for buck" card, but the 5850 has a bit more power. Since you already have a 5850 listed in your setup, I would go with that card. I've got a 5850 in my PC, and it's worth every penny.
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September 6, 2010 5:15:37 PM

Why not consider the gtx 470? It's the same price as the 5850 but a bit faster (performs really close to the 5870).
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September 6, 2010 5:16:39 PM

Well.... I was planning on spending about $1000 anyway. I read it actually performs better in SC2 though. That's not a deal breaker for me... but worth noting. I'm sure crossfire will expand its potency a lot.

Also, overall build look ok?
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September 6, 2010 5:20:19 PM

mortonww said:
Why not consider the gtx 470? It's the same price as the 5850 but a bit faster (performs really close to the 5870).


Why indeed? Looks a little more expensive on average... what kind of gains would I expect? It's on the same tier in the value/performance chart on this site...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-rad...
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September 6, 2010 6:29:57 PM

bump? I need human input! 460 vs 470 vs 5850 (current config)
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September 6, 2010 6:37:57 PM

460 too weak for later, 470 hot and high power consumption, get the 5850.
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September 6, 2010 6:46:50 PM

mosox said:
460 too weak for later, 470 hot and high power consumption, get the 5850.


simple and to the point, i like it. what are you running?
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September 6, 2010 7:08:32 PM

Use this chart:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/19404/11

I would say that if you are FOR SURE going xfire/SLI, that 460 is the way better option. Because the 460 scales better, 2x460 >> 2x5850 for LESS MONEY. If you're staying with one card, stay with the 5850, since the 460 is slightly less powerful.

Also, regardless of if you're going 2x5850 or 2x460, you don't need 850w's. You can easily drop down to 750w's and be fine with that quality of psu. I would go for either the Corsair 750 or the XFX 750. Both are about equivalent, although the Corsair comes with a better warranty (7 years vs. 5 years).
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September 6, 2010 7:17:27 PM

NeoElemental said:
Use this chart:

http://techreport.com/articles.x/19404/11

I would say that if you are FOR SURE going xfire/SLI, that 460 is the way better option. Because the 460 scales better, 2x460 >> 2x5850 for LESS MONEY. If you're staying with one card, stay with the 5850, since the 460 is slightly less powerful.

Also, regardless of if you're going 2x5850 or 2x460, you don't need 850w's. You can easily drop down to 750w's and be fine with that quality of psu. I would go for either the Corsair 750 or the XFX 750. Both are about equivalent, although the Corsair comes with a better warranty (7 years vs. 5 years).


that ram combo is bombin though.... the corsair 750 would actually end up being more expensive... unless you see another solution
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September 6, 2010 7:36:47 PM

So assuming I will do SLI or crossfire later, a pair of 1gb 460s will be better and cheaper than a pair of 5850s.

That seems to make the 460 the clear winner....

However the drawback as I see it would be that until I do get that second 460 for SLI, I will have a weaker performance than a single 5850... that about right? It might be some time before I get that second card... tough call.
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September 6, 2010 7:49:27 PM

460 for sure. You can get 1GB 460 cards for 190$ compared to 250$ for a 5850. The price performance just thrashes them, especially in SLI.

For 10$ more on the PSU/ram combo I'd get this. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

1.5 voltage ram, nicer, modular, silver-efficiency PSU.
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September 6, 2010 8:03:32 PM

XFX 850 is an amazing PSU. The performance difference we're talking about here is in the single digits in terms of fps. I wouldn't worry about it too much.
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September 6, 2010 8:05:56 PM

NeoElemental said:
XFX 850 is an amazing PSU. The performance difference we're talking about here is in the single digits in terms of fps. I wouldn't worry about it too much.


Meaning what, the 5850 isn't worth it? If it's a better solo card I'm leaning towards it - I may not get the second card for like a year.
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September 6, 2010 8:09:07 PM

by the way that xfx 850 psu has some disturbing reviews.... and i dont care about the modular aspect
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September 6, 2010 8:13:42 PM

The difference in fps for one card is close to nothing and the price difference is $50+. Even if I were going only one card, I wouldn't go with the 5850. Throw in the fact that you're going SLI, and the decision should be easy.

I never trust newegg reviews unless it's a product that has over 100's of reviews. The bias is going to be towards people who have had bad experiences. This especially applies for PSU's, for which I rely on the experts.

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Sure you might get a lemon...that's part of the process of building your own pc. I have the 750w version of this PSU and could not be happier.
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September 6, 2010 8:32:40 PM

you talk a good game, Neo. Can you (or others) recommend the best 460?
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September 6, 2010 8:45:41 PM

I don't even think at SLI/Crossfire when building a new computer. Say you bought a GTX 260. Now you need more power but the card is already obsolete. What do you do, buy a second hot, noisy, power-hungry DX10 card or sell it and get something new?






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September 6, 2010 9:30:58 PM

muckle said:
by the way that xfx 850 psu has some disturbing reviews.... and i dont care about the modular aspect


What do you mean the xfx 850w has some disturbing reviews? According to JonnyGURU, it's as good as the corsair hx850.
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September 6, 2010 9:59:04 PM

He was referring to the newegg review page, on which there are few 1-egg rma situations.

@Mosox, I mean 230 is not a very high hurdle for sli-ing. I think it would also be different if it wasn't the geforce 104 series, of which the 460 is the first. It will be a significant amount of time before they refresh this price point, as they have to go through the 470/480 first anyways. In addition to that, at moderate resolutions, sli 460's are more than enough.

Maybe ati will release something amazing in the next 6 months, but sli 460 is not a bad way to go at all.
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September 6, 2010 10:04:34 PM

duk3 said:
What do you mean the xfx 850w has some disturbing reviews? According to JonnyGURU, it's as good as the corsair hx850.


Oh, I was referring to Newegg reviews. I have seen that both PSU's got very nice reviews on jonnyguru, so close in fact that I'm not sure if the xfx justifies the extra price.

Then again, if I get a gtx 460 instead of my currently selected 5850, I would be freeing up a few bucks to spend elsewhere, theoretically i could to that to get the xfx instead of the corsair, IF it's worth it.

Or i could spend it somewhere else in the build.

also, regarding the previously suggested 460 - a free game is nice but i'm much more concerned with the card itself. I am new to overclocking but i do plan on learning. i understand its not difficult to OC these cards for a significant boost in performance.

that being said I looked over the rundown of 460s and am lookin at

MSI N460GTX CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any thoughts on all of the above??
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September 6, 2010 10:09:53 PM

muckle said:
Oh, I was referring to Newegg reviews. I have seen that both PSU's got very nice reviews on jonnyguru, so close in fact that I'm not sure if the xfx justifies the extra price.

Then again, if I get a gtx 460 instead of my currently selected 5850, I would be freeing up a few bucks to spend elsewhere, theoretically i could to that to get the xfx instead of the corsair, IF it's worth it.

Or i could spend it somewhere else in the build.

also, regarding the previously suggested 460 - a free game is nice but i'm much more concerned with the card itself. I am new to overclocking but i do plan on learning. i understand its not difficult to OC these cards for a significant boost in performance.

that being said I looked over the rundown of 460s and am lookin at

MSI N460GTX CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Any thoughts on all of the above??



its a good one. s $225 instead of $220 for the zotac, and is factory overclocked compared to the Zotac. It also comes with the same free game combo. Should be a great choice.
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September 6, 2010 10:16:54 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
its a good one. s $225 instead of $220 for the zotac, and is factory overclocked compared to the Zotac. It also comes with the same free game combo. Should be a great choice.


Compared to the 5850? in regards to single card and SLI??

I notice it has a sweet combo deal with a Seasonic PSU that might solve my PSU question.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


The seasonic X750
http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2470&p...
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September 6, 2010 10:30:13 PM

Sea Sonic is probably the TOP PSU maker in the world today

The 5850 and the stock 460 have comparable performance, the 5850 is a bit faster, but its also a bit more expensive. This one is overclocked.
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September 6, 2010 10:45:50 PM

muckle said:
So assuming I will do SLI or crossfire later, a pair of 1gb 460s will be better and cheaper than a pair of 5850s.

That seems to make the 460 the clear winner....

However the drawback as I see it would be that until I do get that second 460 for SLI, I will have a weaker performance than a single 5850... that about right? It might be some time before I get that second card... tough call.


Yeah, that's why I would suggest the gtx 470. People say it's really power hungry and produces heat, but you should look up the numbers yourself and see how much that actually matters TO YOU.

To your point, though: 1 gtx 460 will be slightly weaker now and then great once SLI'd. gtx 470 will be fantastic now AND when in SLI later. A quality 750 Watt should handle two 470's.
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September 6, 2010 10:48:59 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
Sea Sonic is probably the TOP PSU maker in the world today

The 5850 and the stock 460 have comparable performance, the 5850 is a bit faster, but its also a bit more expensive. This one is overclocked.


I can still push this 460 a little harder with OCing though, right? even though it comes overclocked?

I've concluded through research that the 460 wins in SLI over 5850's crossfire (thx neoelemental)
http://techreport.com/articles.x/19404/11

I just need to know that for single card use (which I'll be doing for a while) the 460 can hold its own against the 5850 .
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September 7, 2010 1:26:49 AM

There is only ONE 5850 to get and Crossfire with your system, I guarantee that you will enjoy it for years to come if you want or to sell these cards if you are bored with them in a year would still be easy. The Sapphire 5850 TOXIC is a great card and with your budget, you could get two of these and sell your other 5850. These two in SLI would be more powerful than most setups. It will easily challenge and beat the gtx470 in some benchmarks as these 5850s are oc'd and are known to be the best ocd 5850's.

Its around only $320 and in my book thats a great deal. This card will not overheat nor will it use alot of power. Its worth it, just get this.
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September 7, 2010 1:30:19 AM

if you are going to be using a single card for quite some time the 5850 is the better card by a noticeable amount....from what i have read anyway... and the second one should come cheaper once the new 6xxx series come out.
who knows perhaps by the time you are ready to xfire there may be something new out that interests you more

but I have to disagree with the post above if you are going to spend 300 on a card it should deffinately be a 470GTX
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September 7, 2010 1:54:01 AM

muckle said:
Putting some last minute thought into the graphics card I'm finding lots of conflicting reviews on the two cards... which is better? or another option better than 5850? I do plan on crossfire eventually.


In my opinion, I think you are giving yourself a monumental headache, or worse an aneurysm!, trying to sort this out. Both cards have their pros and cons... it just depends on the suitablity to your situation, for example I have an xfx 5850 (which came with Assassin's Creed) and i find it to be quite a decent card , and i'm sure if i'd gone a gtx260/270 i too would have found these to be decent. I think it all comes down to perception.

My mate got a sapphire 5770 and his graphics are great, so i thought to myself "better get a 5850 to have better graphics!". And i probably do, but I don't really notice the difference between them in game (if they were side by side i 'm sure i would, but that's not my point).

Relax, smoke a little something something and enjoy your setup. By the way, I think you have a solid machine there and it should suit all of your gaming needs!

Regards
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September 7, 2010 4:39:17 AM

NeoElemental said:

@Mosox, I mean 230 is not a very high hurdle for sli-ing. I think it would also be different if it wasn't the geforce 104 series, of which the 460 is the first. It will be a significant amount of time before they refresh this price point, as they have to go through the 470/480 first anyways. In addition to that, at moderate resolutions, sli 460's are more than enough.


I agree with all you said, the 460 is a good card. But having in mind a single card setup I would have gone with something like this:

Intel Core i5-760 + GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB + LIAN LI Lancool PC-K58W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB + XFX P1-650X-CAG9 650W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HIS H587FN1GD Radeon HD 5870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$1,017.92

Some other combo:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

@muckle, in your DVD-RW + Antec 300 combo the writer is on IDE not SATA.






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September 7, 2010 12:29:45 PM

If you plan on upgrading to two card set up in a short time (I consider 1 year fairly short as you will keep build for 3 - 5) then I would go the GTX460 1gb over the 5850. Here is why:
1) The 5850 is a more powerful card and copes with pretty much all you need it to currently, however, the GTX460 is easily OC'd to run as fast as the 5850 and threfore overclocked it will also cope with everything you need it to. (I am aware the 5850 can OC too, that is not the point here, the point is whether or not a GTX460 alone is good enough, and OC'd it is)

2) Having established the GTX460 can cope with all you need it to, the next advantage is its price - the MSI Cyclone is $205, considerably cheaper than 5850

3) The killing blow is that in SLI the GTX460 scales better than Crossfire (SLI has always pulled an advantage over Crossfire and no doubt will continue to do so for some time) so, 2 x GTX460 is alot cheaper than 2 x 5850s and it runs faster.

4) Nvidia design seems to cope with Tessalation better than ATI.

5) You have conceded that for 2 card set up the GTX460s are more powerful, yet you are considering the 5850 simply because for 1 year you may be using just one card. Even if point 1) had not pointed out that a single GTX460 is powerful enough, 1 year of a slightly weaker card in order to enjoy 2-4 years of more power is a price worth paying. Worse case scenario is that you would have had to live without AA on in games for awhile.

I myself have a 5850, but then I run a single card system with a mobo that cannot Crossfire/SLI. I am happy with my 5850, it is a good card. With no 2nd card upgrade available, the 5850 was a better buy for me. But if I had SLI capability annd the GTX460 had been released when I built my PC, I would have bought the GTX460
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September 7, 2010 12:38:18 PM

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September 7, 2010 12:43:02 PM

asteldian said:
If you plan on upgrading to two card set up in a short time (I consider 1 year fairly short as you will keep build for 3 - 5) then I would go the GTX460 1gb over the 5850. Here is why:
1) The 5850 is a more powerful card and copes with pretty much all you need it to currently, however, the GTX460 is easily OC'd to run as fast as the 5850 and threfore overclocked it will also cope with everything you need it to. (I am aware the 5850 can OC too, that is not the point here, the point is whether or not a GTX460 alone is good enough, and OC'd it is)

2) Having established the GTX460 can cope with all you need it to, the next advantage is its price - the MSI Cyclone is $205, considerably cheaper than 5850

3) The killing blow is that in SLI the GTX460 scales better than Crossfire (SLI has always pulled an advantage over Crossfire and no doubt will continue to do so for some time) so, 2 x GTX460 is alot cheaper than 2 x 5850s and it runs faster.

4) Nvidia design seems to cope with Tessalation better than ATI.

5) You have conceded that for 2 card set up the GTX460s are more powerful, yet you are considering the 5850 simply because for 1 year you may be using just one card. Even if point 1) had not pointed out that a single GTX460 is powerful enough, 1 year of a slightly weaker card in order to enjoy 2-4 years of more power is a price worth paying. Worse case scenario is that you would have had to live without AA on in games for awhile.

I myself have a 5850, but then I run a single card system with a mobo that cannot Crossfire/SLI. I am happy with my 5850, it is a good card. With no 2nd card upgrade available, the 5850 was a better buy for me. But if I had SLI capability annd the GTX460 had been released when I built my PC, I would have bought the GTX460


Great advice. I'm currently looking at this MSI cyclone 460 -

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It seems like a good one - I'm not experienced in OCing but it is supposed to be easy to get some extra performance out of this card and I love the combo for the Seasonic X750 power supply.

If anyone has any input on the particular 460's...
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September 7, 2010 12:56:57 PM

muckle said:
Great advice. I'm currently looking at this MSI cyclone 460 -

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It seems like a good one - I'm not experienced in OCing but it is supposed to be easy to get some extra performance out of this card and I love the combo for the Seasonic X750 power supply.

If anyone has any input on the particular 460's...



Toms did a review of 9 460s
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-rou...


also, the MSI you linked has a combo with a free copy of Just Cause 2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
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September 7, 2010 1:08:46 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
Toms did a review of 9 460s


I saw that. Been looking over it. I'm new to overclocking... and choosing between 9 variations of a graphics card, really. I'd like to divert this to a new thread I started regarding the 460 roundup.

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/294610-31-roundup-hel...
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