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September 6, 2010 8:13:44 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 1-3 weeks

BUDGET RANGE: $4000-4250 before rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, organizing photos/music/videos, web browsing, office work

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Nothing (need everything)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg, Amazon (need to limit to 2-3 sites--more details below)

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel CPU, ATI GPU, Mid-tower case, 3X monitors in EyeFinity, blue color scheme

OVERCLOCKING: No

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe later

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Would like 1920x1200 but will probably get 1920x1080 to keep costs down

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS:
I've never built a computer, but I've removed and installed everything inside various computers except a CPU and motherboard. That was back in the Pentium III-IV era though, so it's been a while and a lot has changed.

One of the benefits at the company where I work is that they will pay half of the purchase price of a new PC, up to $2000. I'd like to keep the cost to around $2000-2250 out of pocket, so that would be $4000-4250 total. Also, to keep the billing simple for the accounting department to process, I need to keep the number of sites from which I buy the parts down to two or three.

Ordinarily, I would buy a ~$2000 computer every three years or so, but since my company is paying for half of it, I figure I should get a $4000 computer with the goal of it lasting five years or so.

Right now, my only computer is an underpowered laptop, so I'm really looking forward to having a computer where I can organize all my photos, documents, and bills. I also want to join this century and get an MP3 player and rip all my CDs to the computer.

I also plan on gaming on it. I do most of my gaming on my Xbox 360, PS3, and Wii, but I will do some gaming on the PC. Most of the first-person shooters I'll probably play on the console, but strategy games are much better (and more widely available) on the PC, and I've really missed playing them, having not had a PC fast enough to run any of them for five years. I'll probably go back and catch up on some of the ones I've missed like Age of Empires III and the Total War series, but I also want to be able play ones released in the next five years.

I've been spoiled by dual monitors at work, so I'd like to get more than one monitor. For gaming, though, two monitors would be kind of awkard, so I might as well go for three running in EyeFinity. That said, they'll need to be DisplayPort compatible and preferably IPS to avoid viewing angle issues if I run them in portrait mode. I'm looking for three monitors in the 21-24" range (bigger would be better but not financially reasonable). It's looking like 1920x1200 will be out of the price range, since I'll be getting three of them, so I'll have to settle for 1920x1080. The last time I gamed on a PC, the resolution was 1024x768, so 1920x1080 will be plenty for me.

I don't really want to tinker with the PC much after I've set it up, so I'm going to avoid overclocking unless it's really necessary. I also would rather avoid RAID for now--I might upgrade to it later. For the video card, I'd rather get one powerful now with the option to drop in another one in Crossfire/SLI later rather than having two now.

With all that said, here's the list of parts I've picked out (prices include shipping but are before rebates):

Case: Cooler Master Centurion 5 II $60
Case fans (top, two side): Cooler Master R4-S4S-10AK-GP 140mm $13x3 = $39
Power Supply: CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W $140
CPU: Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz $300
CPU Cooler: Cooler Master RR-UV8-XBU1-GP $60
Motherboard: MSI Big Bang-XPower LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX $305
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 $10
RAM: Corsair Dominator 12GB (6x2GB) DDR3-1600 8-8-8-24 $410
Video Card: SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100281VX-2SR Radeon HD 5870 1GB $400
Boot Drive (SSD): OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SATA II $294
Data Drive: Caviar Black 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB cache SATA 3.0 Gb/s $180
DVD Burner: Lite-On iHAS424-98 Black 24X DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Burner with LightScribe $32
Media Reader: SABRENT CRW-UINB 68-in-1 $17
Monitor: Dell UltraSharp U2311H 23”W $289x3 = $867
Keyboard: Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 $42
Mouse: Logitech Performance Mouse MX $88
Speakers: Logitech Z-2300 200 watts RMS 2.1 $148
Printer: HP Officejet Pro 8500 Premier CB025A $278
UPS: APC BR1300LCD $190
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium Full $183
Antivirus: Norton Internet Security 2010 $50
Office: Microsoft Office Home & Student $124

Total price (before rebates): $4217
Company discount: -$2000
Out of pocket cost: $2217


These are the parts I've chosen after researching all weekend. I'm open to suggestions, though.

Are there any incompatibilities here? Is this overkill?

Thanks in advance.

More about : build 4000 4250

September 6, 2010 9:04:17 PM

Thanks for the tips. I forgot to mention: for the case, I prefer a simple, clean look (I'll add that to my original post), which is why I picked the Centurion 5 II. The RC-692 is nice too and does have the simple look I want. I actually had a hard time deciding between that and the Centurion 5 II. Maybe I'll go with the RC-692.

Do you think 6GB RAM will be plenty for the next five years, or should I go ahead and get 12GB now just in case?
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September 6, 2010 9:07:10 PM

All of obsidian's comments are spot on.
September 6, 2010 9:08:56 PM

Oops...that should be RC-690 II, not RC-692 in my reply.
September 6, 2010 9:17:35 PM

the 692 has better cooling is a bit bigger and has better cable management

most people are hardly maxing out 4gb these days 6 gb would last maybe through intel's next gen,but i'd hold onto 6 gb for now and see what intel brings to the table next year if its nothing major over 1366 you can upgrade to 12 gb ram if you want to
September 6, 2010 9:23:55 PM

Sorry to say that but that's a very weak build for the price!
I changed almost everything, though I kept things like anti-virus, mouse, keyboard, which most of the time depends basically just on personal preference.
I changed the monitors for cheaper ones, they don't have display port so I added at the list a display port to vga adapter.

For this case you won't need more case fans...

Case - Silverstone FT-01 - $180 after rebates - $210 before
CPU - Intel i7 980x - $1000
CPU Cooler - Corsair H50- $80
Motherboard - MSI Big Bang-XPower LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $300
Thermal Compound - Arctic Cooling mx-2 - $10
RAM - G.SKILL 6gb (3x2gb) - $140
Video Card - ATI 5970 - $650
Boot Drive - Intel 40gb SSD- $100
Data Drives - 3X Samsung F3 500GB in RAID 0$55 each , total $165
DVD Burner - $20
Monitors - 3X ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor $179 each after rebates, total $570 before rebates
Keyboard - $42
Mouse - $80
Speakers - $70
Printer - $265
OS - Windows 7 Home Premium OEM 64bits - $100
Office - $122
Anti-virus - $50
September 6, 2010 9:26:34 PM

Sorry forgot to post the link of the adapter which is $20 with shipping

and the total is $4200 with shipping but without rebates!
September 6, 2010 9:35:08 PM

Don't step down from those Dell ultrasharps. I've seen some Eyefinity setups with TN panels and they suck because the side monitors always have TN's crappy vieweing angles. Those Dells are good.

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September 6, 2010 9:35:55 PM
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You're spending too little on the case, wasting $50 on Antivirus when MSE is great for free and a little too muh RAM for my taste.

Case: CM 690 II Advanced: $90 A better quality and more robust case.
Case Fan: None $0 The 3 fans in the case is perfectly enough for cooling.
Power supply: Seasonic X-650 $142 Efficiency, you can run 2 5870s fine with it also.
CPU: Keep $300
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek Balder $45 Very nice cooler, you don't really need it anyways since you're not OCing.
Motherboard: ASUS P6X58D-E $215 Personally I perfer Asus, with better Mobos youre paying for feature your not going to use anyway.
TIM None $0 The Cooler comes with some I think.
RAM: G-Skil Pi DDR3 1600 CAS7 12GB $337 Better RAM for less money, why not?
GPU: Keep $400
SSD: Mushkin Callisto Deluze 120GB $263 Same SSD for less.
Data drive: Samsung F4 2TB $120 667GB platters, cool and quiet.
DVD Burner: LG Burner $18 Why pay more?
Media reader: Keep $17
Monitor: Keep $867
Keyboard: Keep $42
Mouse: Keep $88
Speaker: Keep $148
Printer: Keep $278
UPS: Keep $190
OS: Win 7 Home premium System Builders pack $100 Unless you like switching Mobos, then there isn't a big difference, besides a box.
Antivirus: MSE $0 MSE+Malwarebytes is a powerful yet free solution thats less of a resource hog and annoyance compared to Norton.
Office: Keep $124
Adapter: $20

Total: $3803
Same quality parts and IPS screen. Blow $200 on something fun.
September 6, 2010 9:37:31 PM

dmcfc said:
Sorry to say that but that's a very weak build for the price!
I changed almost everything, though I kept things like anti-virus, mouse, keyboard, which most of the time depends basically just on personal preference.
I changed the monitors for cheaper ones, they don't have display port so I added at the list a display port to vga adapter.

For this case you won't need more case fans...

Case - Silverstone FT-01 - $180 after rebates - $210 before
CPU - Intel i7 980x - $1000
CPU Cooler - Corsair H50- $80
Motherboard - MSI Big Bang-XPower LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard - $300
Thermal Compound - Arctic Cooling mx-2 - $10
RAM - G.SKILL 6gb (3x2gb) - $140
Video Card - ATI 5970 - $650
Boot Drive - Intel 40gb SSD- $100
Data Drives - 3X Samsung F3 500GB in RAID 0$55 each , total $165
DVD Burner - $20
Monitors - 3X ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms HDMI Full 1080P Widescreen LCD Monitor $179 each after rebates, total $570 before rebates
Keyboard - $42
Mouse - $80
Speakers - $70
Printer - $265
OS - Windows 7 Home Premium OEM 64bits - $100
Office - $122
Anti-virus - $50

unless you gonna run it on air and hope you haven got a psu


hows is this
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select all item Qty. Product Description Savings Total Price



ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
COOLER MASTER COSMOS S RC-1100-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
2x SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
HP Officejet Pro 8500 Premier CB025A Up to 35 ppm 4800 x 1200 dpi Wireless InkJet MFC / All-In-One Color Printer
SAPPHIRE 100280SR Radeon HD 5970 (Hemlock) 2GB 512 (256 x 2)-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
ABS SL series SL1050 1050W Continuous @50°C ,80 PLUS SILVER Certified,Modular Cable Design,"Compatible with Core i7, i5" Power Supply
Logitech X-540 70 watts 5.1 Speakers
RAZER Lycosa Black USB Wired Game Keyboard
COOLER MASTER SGM-6000-KLLW1-GP Sentinel Advance Black 8 Buttons Wired Laser 5600 dpi Mouse
SABRENT CRW-UINB 68-in-1 USB 2.0 Internal Card Reader w/ USB 2.0 Port supports SDHC/VISTA
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound
MSI Big Bang-XPower LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders
Symantec Norton Internet
Microsoft Office 2010 Home & Student 3-Users
Corsair Force CSSD-F60GB2-BRKT 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80613I7980X
CORSAIR Cooling Hydro Series CWCH50-1 120mm High Performance CPU Cooler - Retail


$3,560.80
September 6, 2010 9:39:40 PM

dmcfc said:
Sorry forgot to post the link of the adapter which is $20 with shipping

and the total is $4200 with shipping but without rebates!

Yuck, TN. Also RAID0 for storage seems a little risky don't you think?
September 6, 2010 10:28:32 PM

Get a better case, you need a nice case for a nice computer. That is an office pc case... the Haf 912 just came out, get that. its only 50 bucks and its made for gaming... and it looks cool.... it just came out so it may not be in stores yet
September 6, 2010 10:36:07 PM

I apologize if I am wrong but if you are going to use this for a gaming pc wouldnt you want a better response time than 8ms that the Dell U2311H offers?

Could use one the following :

SAMSUNG XL2370-1 299.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My knowledge on monitors is limited so one of the other forums poster may be able to answer this question better than I.
September 6, 2010 10:38:07 PM

jones911 said:
I apologize if I am wrong but if you are going to use this for a gaming pc wouldnt you want a better response time than 8ms that the Dell U2311H offers?

Could use one the following :

SAMSUNG XL2370-1 299.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My knowledge on monitors is limited so one of the other forums poster may be able to answer this question better than I.

Well thats TN. Some people need/prefer the better color accuracy on the IPS panels of the Dells.
However, anything below 10ms is fine for general gaming, maybe except a few select FPSes.
September 6, 2010 10:45:02 PM

Generally the IPS panels end up ahead in the actual frame being drawn because they have less input lag (due to nicer integrated image processors) than TNs. You'll be hardpressed to see ghosting below 10ms.
September 7, 2010 12:27:09 AM

For a 4000+ build...a 980X is a must.
September 7, 2010 1:08:57 AM

And why's that? What does it offer for gaming over an i7-950?

That's right, nothing.
September 7, 2010 1:11:00 AM

Amen to that ^
September 7, 2010 1:29:42 AM

Hey Smart one, its got two extra cores, a higher clock, an unlocked multiplier for overclocking, and its 32nm meaning it runs cooler and it more efficient.

September 7, 2010 1:33:41 AM

I second Timop's build. Use that $200 bucks for something that you'll keep for a while. If it were me I'd get a nicer pair of speakers or a nice pair of headphones.

I like these for speakers $200 a pair and they sound amazing.

http://audioengineusa.com/Store/Audioengine-2

For headphones I like the Grado sr60i for sub $100 and usually don't look beyond that because they are great for their price. Some people find the mid range too forward, but I don't really mind it.

There is always the 7.1 headset you can get. The Logitech G35 is good. You also said that you wanted an mp3 player so you could always spend the money there. Get an iPod or if you don't like apple get a creative, sony, zune, cowon, archos, sansa, etc.

@blackhawk
The 980x also cost $700 more. The money could be better used else where, like getting the dell ultrasharps as opposed to some crappy TN monitor. He'll keep the monitors for a long time even after this build is gone.
September 7, 2010 3:43:21 AM

obsidian86 said:
unless you gonna run it on air and hope you haven got a psu


hows is this
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ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
COOLER MASTER COSMOS S RC-1100-KKN1-GP Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case
2x SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
HP Officejet Pro 8500 Premier CB025A Up to 35 ppm 4800 x 1200 dpi Wireless InkJet MFC / All-In-One Color Printer
SAPPHIRE 100280SR Radeon HD 5970 (Hemlock) 2GB 512 (256 x 2)-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
ABS SL series SL1050 1050W Continuous @50°C ,80 PLUS SILVER Certified,Modular Cable Design,"Compatible with Core i7, i5" Power Supply
Logitech X-540 70 watts 5.1 Speakers
RAZER Lycosa Black USB Wired Game Keyboard
COOLER MASTER SGM-6000-KLLW1-GP Sentinel Advance Black 8 Buttons Wired Laser 5600 dpi Mouse
SABRENT CRW-UINB 68-in-1 USB 2.0 Internal Card Reader w/ USB 2.0 Port supports SDHC/VISTA
ARCTIC COOLING MX-2 Thermal Compound
MSI Big Bang-XPower LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders
Symantec Norton Internet
Microsoft Office 2010 Home & Student 3-Users
Corsair Force CSSD-F60GB2-BRKT 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
Intel Core i7-980X Extreme Edition Gulftown 3.33GHz LGA 1366 130W Six-Core Desktop Processor BX80613I7980X
CORSAIR Cooling Hydro Series CWCH50-1 120mm High Performance CPU Cooler - Retail


$3,560.80


that was a typo, :p , I forgot the post the PSU, at the list I made it was included, i just forgot to post it, the price that I posted is with PSU, the PSU i had selected was the CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W
September 7, 2010 7:01:08 AM

Ok, here's what I might do. Feel free to take nothing from this, just browsed around for a bunch of combo deals!

Maybe my favorite deal first:

Case/PSU: Corsair Obsidian 800D Full Tower Case/ 850 80+ Gold Certified Professional series PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GPU/CPU: 5970/i7-950
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Office/AntiVirus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Mobo: ASUS Rampage III extreme w/ DVD burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

SSD: OCZ Vertex 2 120 GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Cooler: Corsair h70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM: GSkill Ripjaws 12 Gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Windows Pro OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case Fans: x3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Thermal compound: Same
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Card Reader:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mouse:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Keyboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Speakers
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Printer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Monitor: x3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total = 4236$
September 10, 2010 5:11:15 AM

Thanks for all the advice, everyone.

I have a few questions:
1) Is going from 7-8-7-24-2N RAM to 6-8-6-20 RAM worth an extra $70?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (CAS6)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (CAS7)

2) Is the Arctic Cooling MX-2 or Arctic Silver 5 thermal compound better?

3) I like the efficiency of the power supply Timop posted. Is 650W enough power for this build?

4) Timop, you recommended the Mushkin SSD as being the same as the Vertex 2, but cheaper. Some of the reviews for the Vertex 2 indicate OCZ has better firmware and better support. Do you think that's accurate?


I'd like to avoid RAID and water cooling (as I do overclocking) for simplicity. I'm going for a low-maintenance build (I'm lazy :) ).

For the motherboard, I had considered the Asus P6X58D like Timop selected, but the reviews mentioning the bad RAM slot scared me. The price went up to $270 from $215, so I figure I might as well pay the extra $35 for the Big Bang-XPower to avoid a chance of a faulty RAM slot, even if I never use its advanced features. Does that sound like a good idea?

The CPU cooler listed below will fit in the case, right?

Here's the revised build (changed case, PSU, CPU cooler, RAM, DVD burner, OS; removed antivirus; added headset):

Case: Cooler Master CM-690 II $70
Power Supply: SeaSonic X650 Gold 650W $140
CPU: Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz $300
CPU Cooler: Xigmatek Balder $45
Motherboard: MSI Big Bang-XPower LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX $305
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 $10
RAM: G-Skill Pi DDR3 1600 CAS7 12GB $337
Video Card: SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100281VX-2SR Radeon HD 5870 1GB $418
Boot Drive (SSD): OCZ Vertex 2 120GB SATA II $294
Data Drive: Caviar Black 2TB 7200 RPM 64MB cache SATA 3.0 Gb/s $180
DVD Burner: LG Burner $22
Media Reader: SABRENT CRW-UINB 68-in-1 $17
Monitor: Dell UltraSharp U2311H 23”W $299x3 = $897
Keyboard: Microsoft Natural Ergonomic Keyboard 4000 $42
Mouse: Logitech Performance Mouse MX $88
Speakers: Logitech Z-2300 200 watts RMS 2.1 $137
Headset: TekNmotion PulseWave V2 $57
Printer: HP Officejet Pro 8500 Premier CB025A $278
UPS: APC BR1300LCD $190
OS: Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM $100
Antivirus: None
Office: Microsoft Office Home & Student $122


Some of the prices increased and one dropped. Also, the SSD is now out of stock. How long does it usually take for Newegg to receive a new shipment?

It looks like the current total is $4032.80, including shipping, the monitors, and the SSD. That's where I wanted to be in price, so that looks pretty good. There's a $20 mail-in-rebate to boot.
September 10, 2010 2:18:14 PM

YOU DON'T NEED 12GB OF RAM!!! FUC****!!! GET THAT IN YOUR MIND, YOU ONLY NEED 6GB.... 3GB WOULD DO...
September 10, 2010 3:30:33 PM

Mr Pizza said:
YOU DON'T NEED 12GB OF RAM!!! FUC****!!! GET THAT IN YOUR MIND, YOU ONLY NEED 6GB.... 3GB WOULD DO...



Mr. Pizza,

You need to calm down. Generally, you are correct in that most users now-a-days would not need 12GB of RAM, but you need to look at the bigger picture. There are a number of applications that could definitely tap into an ungodly amount of RAM. Such as Photoshop CS4+, Matlab, running multiple virtual OSes, etc... In this instance 12GB of RAM is actually not much at all. I think you're assuming Wet3 is just some kind of gamer or casual user that uses his computer to organize pictures and browse the internet, when you really don't know anything about this person.

He's probably some sort of genius programmer who's developing high-level algorithms in order to help Scientists and Doctors find the cure for different types of cancers and tumors. Like the one growing in your anus. So take your head out your ass, breathe a sec and chill the F#$k out.

Sincerely,

OGB
September 10, 2010 4:07:46 PM

^ Amen to that. 12GB is REALLY small if you run a few VMs and the likes of that. HOWEVER, you DO NOT need more than 6GB for a Gaming build.

Imo, with a $4k budget, why NOT get a 2P set up????????? Also, why not go water cooling?

Also, why blow $4k on a platform that's going to be reaching EOL when Sandy Bridge, Bulldozer, ATI 6xxx are just a few months/weeks away?
September 10, 2010 7:33:28 PM

Reg4d1t said:
Mr. Pizza,

You need to calm down. Generally, you are correct in that most users now-a-days would not need 12GB of RAM, but you need to look at the bigger picture. There are a number of applications that could definitely tap into an ungodly amount of RAM. Such as Photoshop CS4+, Matlab, running multiple virtual OSes, etc... In this instance 12GB of RAM is actually not much at all. I think you're assuming Wet3 is just some kind of gamer or casual user that uses his computer to organize pictures and browse the internet, when you really don't know anything about this person.

He's probably some sort of genius programmer who's developing high-level algorithms in order to help Scientists and Doctors find the cure for different types of cancers and tumors. Like the one growing in your anus. So take your head out your ass, breathe a sec and chill the F#$k out.

Sincerely,

OGB


That was the funniest, best said, most entertaining, most "pwning" post I have probably ever seen on tomshardware. +1000!
September 10, 2010 10:16:04 PM

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September 10, 2010 10:16:09 PM

Well my Internets acting stupid again..

650W is plenty for even dual 5870s, though if you have extra cash leftover you can get a X750/Corasir AX-750 (nearly identical units hardware-wise) just in case you want to do something that requires even more power. .

CAS 6 isn't worth it, decreases you rendering time by a couple of seconds. The Pis are pretty low voltage @ 1.5v so you can easily make it run at CAS6 @1.65v.

The Mushkin is a great SSD, it uses the same Sandforce controller as the Vertex 2. Firmware does affect performance, but the Callistos have seen really favorable reviews. AT worst, you get a SSD thats 5MB/s slower for $20 less. Besides, Mshkin is one of the respected companies in the RAM industry and their service is better than OCZ's recently IMO.

On the board, Id see no reason going for the X-Power. You can still get an DOA. Id say get the popular UD3R instead: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... . Maybe even the MSI X58A: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I would strongly recommend the Samsung F4 though, it performs not much worse than the WD (its a storage drive anyways), but runs cooler and quieter with its bigger platters and slower rotation speed. You get just as good of a drive for $60 less.

Finally, the cooler is one of the smaller models on the market and fits the 690 fine.
September 10, 2010 11:27:13 PM

Shadow703793 said:

Also, why blow $4k on a platform that's going to be reaching EOL when Sandy Bridge, Bulldozer, ATI 6xxx are just a few months/weeks away?

September 11, 2010 6:08:34 AM

Shadow703793 said:
Also, why blow $4k on a platform that's going to be reaching EOL when Sandy Bridge, Bulldozer, ATI 6xxx are just a few months/weeks away?


It looks like Sandy Bridge won't be coming out until Q1 2011, so I could be waiting a while:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-pre...


Timop said:
650W is plenty for even dual 5870s, though if you have extra cash leftover you can get a X750/Corasir AX-750 (nearly
identical units hardware-wise) just in case you want to do something that requires even more power. .

CAS 6 isn't worth it, decreases you rendering time by a couple of seconds. The Pis are pretty low voltage @ 1.5v so you can easily make it run at CAS6
@1.65v.


Thanks very much for the clear answers on these. Your responses have been very helpful.

Timop said:
The Mushkin is a great SSD, it uses the same Sandforce controller as the Vertex 2. Firmware does affect performance, but the Callistos have seen really favorable reviews. AT worst, you get a SSD thats 5MB/s slower for $20 less. Besides, Mshkin is one of the respected companies in the RAM industry and their service is better than OCZ's recently IMO.


I think you might have sold me on the Mushkin. I did some further reading on its reviews and they were very favorable. I also liked that one of their reps replied to an unfavorable Newegg review with a direct phone number and email address where he can be reached to resolve the issue.


Timop said:
On the board, Id see no reason going for the X-Power. You can still get an DOA. Id say get the popular UD3R instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... . Maybe even the MSI X58A:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


It's tricky evaluating the motherboards because the reviews seem to be at opposite ends of the spectrum: people seem to have either really great experiences with the board or a lot of problems. The frequency of DOA in the reviews for the Gigabyte board scares me a bit. The Asus P6X58D Premium seems to be better-reviewed, but seems to have problems getting 12GB RAM to run at 1600Mhz (it seems to want to cap it at 1333Mhz). The MSI X58A you linked looks promising, but I didn't see too many reviews on it. Most of them were positive.


Timop said:
I would strongly recommend the Samsung F4 though, it performs not much worse than the WD (its a storage drive anyways), but runs cooler and quieter with its bigger platters and slower rotation speed. You get just as good of a drive for $60 less.


I was noticing that the F4 comes with a 3-year warranty vs. the 5-year warranty on the Caviar Black. Is reliability a concern on the F4? I've always used
and trusted WD drives, and I've always had great experiences with them. If the $60 extra will get me a more reliable drive, I don't mind paying it. Then
again, I don't believe Samsung was making drives when I was last familiar with PC parts (~10 years ago), so it could just be that I'm unfamiliar with
their drives. I tried to find some information on the 2TB F4, but it seems to be a new product; I couldn't find much in the way of reviews or benchmarks
on it. Have they been pretty reliable?

Timop said:
Finally, the cooler is one of the smaller models on the market and fits the 690 fine.


Sounds great. Thanks for recommending that one.
September 11, 2010 8:16:50 PM

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It looks like Sandy Bridge won't be coming out until Q1 2011, so I could be waiting a while:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871 [...] in-a-row/4

Agreed. But if you can wait, then do so. If you can't then wait till atleast the ATI 6xxx cards come out.

HOWEVER, you CAN already buy the RAM, PSU, case, HDDs/SSD,etc as they won't change much in price. If you absolutely want to build it, you could probably buy a cheap AM3 CPU and motherboard and GPU to hold off while the next gen arrives.

As for motherboard & CPU (assuming building ASAP on LGA1366), have you considered the P6T, P6T Deluxe (v2), RAMPAGE II Gene, RAMPAGE III Gene?
September 11, 2010 10:25:08 PM

I would get the Raven 2 simply because of its advanced cooling features. You don't have to add any other fans because all you need is already there. I personally have this case and love it, fits everything perfectly (5870) The side window is nice, and all the connectors are on the top for convince.

And here is the link. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... .
September 12, 2010 12:36:55 AM

wait for bulldozer and ati's 6xxx cards to be released.. whats the point in building a powerhouse rig if going to be murdered in a month anyways.. im in agreement with shadow on that one..
September 13, 2010 1:06:40 AM

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