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Ati radeon hd 5830 vs nvidia geforce gtx 460

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August 1, 2010 8:50:19 AM

The GTX 460 768 MB will be much better than a 5830 and will cost 200$.And it will be able to run on your current PSU unless you have a highly overclocked CPU.
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August 1, 2010 8:58:35 AM

Geforce GTX 460 is better for the gaming,as i have a thread on about the GTX460.The GTX 460 has more better performance than 5830 due to benchmark results but uses little more power consumption,depends on which memory you use such as the GTX 460 768MB (150 TDP) or the 1GB (160 TDP),while the 5830 uses (175 TDP) and less benchmark and more power supply to use than the GTX460.
As for your power supply,it depends on which card you choose to use and wether you are going to overclock your cpu and overclock your video card,you might want to get 550W power supply to 600W power supply.Some one might be able to answer your question on the power supply,because i use the GTX 460 on the minimum requirements on the power supply along with the overclock cpu and video card and depends on the cpu cooler which may incase need to use a bit more power supply.So there for i use the power supply search from the www.corsair.com
and it also depends on what brand of cpu you are using too.You might be lucky that your power supply should hold all that,as i said some one else should be able to answer about the power supply you have.
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August 1, 2010 9:03:17 AM

Tamz_msc said:
The GTX 460 768 MB will be much better than a 5830 and will cost 200$.And it will be able to run on your current PSU unless you have a highly overclocked CPU.

Thank you Tamz_msc,i appreciate your help too.
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August 1, 2010 9:23:52 AM

thank u 2 all :) 
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August 1, 2010 9:26:36 AM

also plz tell me "Is Gtx 460 takes more power than radeon hd 5850??
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August 1, 2010 9:33:55 AM

Antonythegamer said:
Geforce GTX 460 is better for the gaming,as i have a thread on about the GTX460.The GTX 460 has more better performance than 5830 due to benchmark results but uses little more power consumption,depends on which memory you use such as the GTX 460 768MB (150 TDP) or the 1GB (160 TDP),while the 5830 uses (175 TDP) and less benchmark and more power supply to use than the GTX460.
As for your power supply,it depends on which card you choose to use and wether you are going to overclock your cpu and overclock your video card,you might want to get 550W power supply to 600W power supply.Some one might be able to answer your question on the power supply,because i use the GTX 460 on the minimum requirements on the power supply along with the overclock cpu and video card and depends on the cpu cooler which may incase need to use a bit more power supply.So there for i use the power supply search from the www.corsair.com
and it also depends on what brand of cpu you are using too.You might be lucky that your power supply should hold all that,as i said some one else should be able to answer about the power supply you have.


this is my system information :

OS Name Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate
Version 6.1.7600 Build 7600
OS Manufacturer Microsoft Corporation
System Manufacturer INTEL_
System Model DH55TC__
System Type X86-based PC
Processor Intel(R) Core(TM) i5 CPU 750 @ 2.67GHz, 2661 Mhz, 4 Core(s), 4 Logical Processor(s)
Installed Physical Memory (RAM) 2.00 GB
Total Physical Memory 1.93 GB
Available Physical Memory 1.18 GB
Total Virtual Memory 3.87 GB
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August 1, 2010 9:58:45 AM

No,the GTX 460 uses less power than the 5850.
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August 1, 2010 10:45:17 AM

Antonythegamer said:
No,the GTX 460 uses less power than the 5850.



The 768 version of the GTX 460 uses less power than the HD 5850, but the 1Gb version use more.
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August 1, 2010 2:25:19 PM

the 768 version of the board has an entire SM disabled, costing you roughly 25% performance loss vs the 1gb model. i wouldnt waste my money on the 768 when the 1gb is only like 50 bucks more.
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August 1, 2010 3:42:17 PM

Im an ati amd fanboy, and have done this comparison myself.

Pound for pound the Nvidia beats the 5850 overall. the only real exception is when you get to bust out all the firepower of the dedicated shader cores.

However if you actually jump back to the 4890, you'll find that it outperforms its newer brother on benches, while costing less (though its got a higher wattage i think).

hope this helps
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August 1, 2010 8:25:14 PM

Antonythegamer said:
No,the GTX 460 uses less power than the 5850.


No, the HD5830 can draw more power as it has power regulation issues since it does not shut off power to unused units, so it can often be more power consuming, but the HD5850 is not the same and it consumes less power than the GTX460.

But even then it depends on what GTX460 you're talking about because as mentioned the 1GB model consumes more than both;


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August 1, 2010 8:31:26 PM

Simple breakdown is;

HD5830<GTX460-768<GTX460-1GB=<GTX465<HD5850<GTX470<HD5870<GTX480MHD5970

That's the vast majority of the situations, there are minor variations that pop up here and there (like the ones where the HD5770 can beat and HD5830 or either GTX460) but overall that is the performance situation.
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August 1, 2010 9:19:23 PM

i understand that the 460 may be a little better in benchmarks than the 5830.. but i can say that my 5830 idles at 40 degrees and has NEVER gotten hotter that 61 degrees.. it stays so cool its ridiculous.. IMO it would all depend if you sli or crossfire.. depending on your system.. then i would make the choice of ati or nvidia.. but if its one card your looking at.. obviously the 460.
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August 2, 2010 1:04:06 AM

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So your saying that the GTX460 beats the HD5850 overall.........and that the 4890 is also faster than the HD5850? Can I get some of what your smoking?


i wouldnt doubt it.. a 5850 is a dx11 card.. a 4890 vs a 5850 in dx10.. that may be a different story.. my 4890 was a BEAST.. really.. love that card.. but it gets really hot and eventually it fried on me.. after about 6 months only..lol..
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August 2, 2010 1:33:01 AM

Antonythegamer said:
Are you people against my thread about the power usage on the video cards?
Or are you just being typical smartass?


Are you ignorant and blind (can't see the graph above?), TDP is not the same as POWER USAGE.

nVidia's TDP may be less, but their usage is higher. Just like the GTX480's TDP is lower than the HD5970, but it's actual usage is higher.

Look at the reviews, the GTX460 consumes more power than an HD5850, and only rarely does better than an HD5830, and even then, that's only when measured as overall power consumption like in the THG tests, not consumption of the card alone as done in the Xbit tests.


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August 2, 2010 1:37:08 AM

oohhhhh kaaayyyyyy.... *coughs* RAGE^^^ *coughs*
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August 2, 2010 1:54:36 AM

Get that cough looked at before it causes you real problems. :hello: 

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August 2, 2010 1:57:44 AM

this will make ya feel better.. if you dont laugh at this i dont know wwhat will. :D  (nevermind.. my videos was taken off..
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August 2, 2010 2:01:00 AM

Dude stay on topic mang!
As funny as the brother was, just link to it don't imbed it.
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August 2, 2010 2:02:05 AM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Dude stay on topic mang!
As funny as the brother was, just link to it don't imbed it.


IM sorryyy!!!! your right.. but man that was funny.. i felt i had to share it..
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August 2, 2010 7:51:06 AM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Are you ignorant and blind (can't see the graph above?), TDP is not the same as POWER USAGE.

nVidia's TDP may be less, but their usage is higher. Just like the GTX480's TDP is lower than the HD5970, but it's actual usage is higher.

Look at the reviews, the GTX460 consumes more power than an HD5850, and only rarely does better than an HD5830, and even then, that's only when measured as overall power consumption like in the THG tests, not consumption of the card alone as done in the Xbit tests.

http://media.bestofmicro.com/A/H/254393/original/Power%20Consumption.png


Hey typical smartass,i think you cant read ENGLISH,and i aint blind either,the reason i aint blind is because i can type and read ENGLISH.
Your just being retard.
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August 2, 2010 7:53:38 AM

TheGreatGrapeApe said:
Are you ignorant and blind (can't see the graph above?), TDP is not the same as POWER USAGE.

nVidia's TDP may be less, but their usage is higher. Just like the GTX480's TDP is lower than the HD5970, but it's actual usage is higher.

Look at the reviews, the GTX460 consumes more power than an HD5850, and only rarely does better than an HD5830, and even then, that's only when measured as overall power consumption like in the THG tests, not consumption of the card alone as done in the Xbit tests.

http://media.bestofmicro.com/A/H/254393/original/Power%20Consumption.png



Oh by the,you wrote (cant see the graph above)your blind dumbass,its below.
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August 2, 2010 9:00:50 AM

your psu need full spec to say. 460 and 5850 both use maxium of 13a
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August 2, 2010 9:15:40 AM

Antonythegamer said:
Oh by the,you wrote (cant see the graph above)your blind dumbass,its below.


Wow you are blind as well as incapable of understanding English.

Above the post that said "the graph above" was a graph above it that showed you the power consumption of the cards alone (and was the first graph in the thread), the one below that phrase contained within the same post was the one from THG that was an example of the tests showing the system consumption which are the only type that even show the GTX460 being close and that includes the more active CPU and memory in the higher FPS so it's not even close to showing just card consumption the way the Xbit tests do.

Pretty straight forward and easy enough to understand, thus proving your mental faults aren't limited to your language skills, which are on their own quite poor.

Funny you couldn't even read your TDP #s correctly either which shows the GTX460 above and below the HD5850, even though if you were smarter or had a better understanding you would be able to figure that out. [:thegreatgrapeape:5]

Shame you had nothing else to contribute to the thread other than your own faults. I on the other hand could post, below, examples of better power consumption from many other sources proving you wrong;









Pretty much all of them say the same thing that Tamz_msc did and Raiyus13 followed up with: The 1GB model of the GTX460 uses more power than the HD5850, which even your own link hints to that with the two TDP power numbers for the GTX460.

You're just either too blind or ignorant to see / understand that fact. [:thegreatgrapeape:6]
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August 2, 2010 10:18:21 AM

OMG,LMAO,ROFL,LOL.....

I made you.... Edit this post.
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August 2, 2010 10:20:27 AM

I make you go away.. :hello: 
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August 2, 2010 3:14:27 PM

Antonythegamer said:
Oh by the,you wrote (cant see the graph above)your blind dumbass,its below.


[:fisshy:8]
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August 2, 2010 3:39:15 PM

After all that I'm not sure if this bears mentioning, but the HD 5830 only matches the GTX 460 768MB at 2560x1600. At all resolutions lower than the GTX 460 768MB is faster. Since both are $199 with similar power draw and noise the choice should be easy. The fact the GTX 460 is physically smaller is a plus in my book and would make the decision that much easier (would rather have a faster 8.25" card in my system vs. a slower 11" long one).

As far as the concern that the 768MB is going to be quickly overwhelmed by today's and future games texture load demands I think that's a bit unfounded. At 1920x1200 on down its just fine and will be for quite a long time. Of course, if you have the extra $30 get the 1GB model. It will be faster, but even 1GB cards can have their frame buffers filled to overflowing by certain games. Just because a game goes over its VRAM capacity in a given cell doesn't mean a card stops working. It just slows down a bit at very high resolutions. Then again, if you're gaming at 2650x1600 I doubt you're looking at a mid-range card.
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August 3, 2010 11:38:00 AM

Antonythegamer said:
Hey typical smartass,i think you cant read ENGLISH,and i aint blind either,the reason i aint blind is because i can type and read ENGLISH.
Your just being retard.


The use of lower case as a pronoun and lack of apostrophes and spaces after a punctuation mark would suggest otherwise. :pfff: 
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August 8, 2010 1:21:14 AM

Strange, I have seen many benchmarks showing the 5830 taking out the 1gb 460. I think the 5830 sucks unless you overclock it, then it's a really good card worth it's money and it runs very cool. I have mine running at 950/1300 and I notice a difference of up to 10fps in metro 2033 @ 1680x1050 with my i7 930 system. It's interesting how many different benchmarking web sites are bias. Come to think of it, so am I
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August 8, 2010 5:10:04 AM

my 5830 is currently running at 28 degrees.. GET THE 5830..
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August 8, 2010 6:51:50 AM

The GTX 460 is better than the 5830.

and @OP the PSU you have is not good at all .Change it to a Corsair VX 450 or better.

I have seen instances of it failing to deliver the stated Watt and besides it is a low quality unit.
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August 8, 2010 7:04:19 AM

vexun11 said:
Strange, I have seen many benchmarks showing the 5830 taking out the 1gb 460. I think the 5830 sucks unless you overclock it, then it's a really good card worth it's money and it runs very cool. I have mine running at 950/1300 and I notice a difference of up to 10fps in metro 2033 @ 1680x1050 with my i7 930 system. It's interesting how many different benchmarking web sites are bias. Come to think of it, so am I


Those must be very well hidden benchmarks you referring to. :lol:  Almost everything I've seen shows the GTX 460 768MB beating it in all but 2560x1900 (and then the HD 5830 only matches it). The GTX 460 1GB beats the HD 5830 by a pretty decent margin in almost everything. Being the HD 5830 is going for $200-230 (same price range as the two GTX 460s) it really doesn't make sense to buy one at this point unless your just an ATI kind of guy.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_...

Again, the HD 5830 is pretty far back from the GTX 460. And the GTX 460 is just as cool (or cooler) running, uses about the same power, costs the same, is extremely quiet and is a much smaller physical size. Why would you want an HD 5830 under those circumstances (unless you just like the idea of a foot long slower card)?
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August 8, 2010 7:17:00 AM

jeffredo said:


Again, the HD 5830 is pretty far back from the GTX 460. And the GTX 460 is just as cool (or cooler) running, uses about the same power, costs the same, is extremely quiet and is a much smaller physical size. Why would you want an HD 5830 under those circumstances (unless you just like the idea of a foot long slower card)?

ROFL

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August 9, 2010 3:18:28 PM

jesman1985 said:
my 5830 is currently running at 28 degrees.. GET THE 5830..



Thank u jesman
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August 9, 2010 3:23:37 PM

thank u 2 all............. :)  :) 
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August 9, 2010 3:58:17 PM

Hey Aditya ,

Please change your PSU if you want your PC components to live long..
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August 19, 2010 1:47:11 PM

blade47 said:
Hey Aditya ,

Please change your PSU if you want your PC components to live long..


Hey!!
can u explain what happen to my other pc components??
I think nvidia gtx 460 is better for my system as it takes max power 450w, and my power supply is 500w
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August 20, 2010 5:02:52 AM

The GTX 460 768Mb will do fine with your PSU I guess, You will have to change you PSU to atleast to a 600w if you wan't to go with the GTX 460 1Gb . you know ,just to stay on the safe side.
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August 21, 2010 12:30:43 AM

jeffredo said:
Those must be very well hidden benchmarks you referring to. :lol:  Almost everything I've seen shows the GTX 460 768MB beating it in all but 2560x1900 (and then the HD 5830 only matches it). The GTX 460 1GB beats the HD 5830 by a pretty decent margin in almost everything. Being the HD 5830 is going for $200-230 (same price range as the two GTX 460s) it really doesn't make sense to buy one at this point unless your just an ATI kind of guy.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_...

Again, the HD 5830 is pretty far back from the GTX 460. And the GTX 460 is just as cool (or cooler) running, uses about the same power, costs the same, is extremely quiet and is a much smaller physical size. Why would you want an HD 5830 under those circumstances (unless you just like the idea of a foot long slower card)?


care to explain to me how 200-230$ is the price range for 2 gtx 460's?

your psu quality is not good, the power it supplies however is fine for a gtx 460
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August 21, 2010 12:45:23 AM

raif89 said:
care to explain to me how 200-230$ is the price range for 2 gtx 460's?


I did not say "two GTX 460s". I said "THE two GTX 460s" as in referring to the two different GTX 460 models available (768MB and 1GB) going for $200-$230 each.

Is that more clear? :??: 
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August 21, 2010 12:50:20 AM

yes it is, just wondering if i was missng some crazy deal :D 
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August 21, 2010 6:41:54 AM

thanks!!!!
plz also tell me if 768 mb gtx 460 can play all the games at my 20" samsung TFT
at very high game settings??
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August 21, 2010 9:21:25 AM

Well, that depends what your max resolution IS!. If it's more than 1680x1080, you're gonna need the 1 gig. If its lower, it would do just fine on medium/ high settings. But very high settings will be difficult.
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August 22, 2010 7:09:04 PM

jeffredo said:
Those must be very well hidden benchmarks you referring to. :lol:  Almost everything I've seen shows the GTX 460 768MB beating it in all but 2560x1900 (and then the HD 5830 only matches it). The GTX 460 1GB beats the HD 5830 by a pretty decent margin in almost everything. Being the HD 5830 is going for $200-230 (same price range as the two GTX 460s) it really doesn't make sense to buy one at this point unless your just an ATI kind of guy.

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_...

Again, the HD 5830 is pretty far back from the GTX 460. And the GTX 460 is just as cool (or cooler) running, uses about the same power, costs the same, is extremely quiet and is a much smaller physical size. Why would you want an HD 5830 under those circumstances (unless you just like the idea of a foot long slower card)?



Honestly, aside from some games, I don't see how the 460 768mb dominates the 5830. At around 1920 to 2560, the cards are about even. With only a marginal FPS difference between the two. I've even seen the 5830 dominate the 460 in some benchmarks at 2560:

http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-r...

Also, according to that Techpowerup link, the 5830 even beats the OC MSI card in some tests; let alone the reference model. Furthermore, it also indicates that the 460 768mb is only 4-5% better than 5830.

My friend got his 5830 for $180, so I doubt he has any regrets.
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