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September 7, 2010 9:13:33 AM

1. What is the purpose of the computer? (Note: If you are planning to say multimedia, you will have to be more specific as all types of systems are capable of doing that)
A: Graphics processing,Architecture softwares, AutoCAD, 3D Studio Max, photoshop etc.; other purpose include using it for internet browsing, downloading, Microsoft office, watching HD movies, songs etc;

2. Are you open to alternate ideas/products giving similar better performance but offering more VFM/ sellers? If not- why?
A: yes

3. What is your MAX budget?
A: Maximum $650-$750
Approximately Indian Rupees-35000( Let this not keep you from providing your inputs.Whatever you recommend.... I will check availability here in India.)

4. Planning to overclock?
A: No

5. Which OS are you planning to use?
A: Windows XP or Windows 7

6. How much hard drive space is needed?
A: Minimum 500GB

7. What resolution will the screen run at & whats the size of the screen you want?
A: 19" to 22" Monitor;

8. How would you rate your hardware knowledge from the count of 1-10? (1 being the lowest, 5 being you are somewhat in sync with the current performers and 10 being the highest)
A: 8

9. Have you ever built a desktop before or will this be done by an assembler?
A: I myself have built systems and know how to do it. I want inputs on current high performance, good value components;

10. When are you planning to buy the system?
A: Withing next 2 weeks (anytime between 27th august - sep 10 2010)

11. Are you one of the types looking out for "future proof" configurations?
A: Yes, At least it should be future proof for 2-3 years;

12. Are there going to be any components that you don't want to include in this new rig? If yes, do mention.
A: CPU coolers,

13. Which city do you live in and are you open to buying from shops from other city/states?
A: bangalore or Chennai, India. Let this not keep you from providing your inputs.


14. Mention any other points if deemed necessary
A: nothing as of now
a b B Homebuilt system
September 7, 2010 6:32:33 PM

If the apps you are planning to run are not significantly multi-threaded (eg, Autodesk Inventor is single thread), then your best cpu choice might be a dual-core, hyperthreaded i5 650, 3.2GHZ, and 3.46GHz when turbo is active.

If the balance swings to multi-threaded apps, the best cpu is probably a quad i5 750 at 2.66 GHz, 3.2 GHz with turbo & one core active.

In either case, your graphics needs seem limited to a single card, so a micro ATX board from Gigabyte or Asus is a good choice. My preference is Gigabyte because service/support has been better for me, your experience may vary. Examples:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128405

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128425

if you want support for USB 3.0.

You can also reconsider your overclocking decision, since software provided by the mobo manufacturers often allows a mild overclock with the click of a button.

Your choice of a 32-bit or 64-bit OS should lean toward 64-bit if your apps and devices provide 64-bit support.

Memory speed is not significant in your case, so your choice should be 2x2GB (certainly if 32-bit) of DDR3 1333 from a quality manufacturer and based on cost, eg,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253

Limited graphics needs allows smaller PSUs. I'd suggest a 430W or higher PSU from Corsair, Antex, or Seasonic. Often you can find a 500W or 650W psu for very close to the same price, and if so don't hesitate to grab it. If you are looking at a PSU from another manufacturer I'd suggest googling the brand, model, and the word "review". If you can find a thorough review saying the PSU is adequate, grab it. If not, pass. Examples:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371034
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151079
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139004

For graphics, the best cards in your range at the moment are from ATI. The link below shows relative gaming performance of vid cards at various price points, but you can use it to select a low-level gaming card that represents the best value:

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-460-radeon-hd-5570-gaming,2697-2.html

I'd probably go with an HD 5550 like:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102903&cm_re=hd_5550-_-14-102-903-_-Product

For hard drive, I'd recommend WD 640GB Caviar Black as the fastest device vs your size needs:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?cm_mmc=TomshardwareSBM-_-SystemBuilderEditorial-_-NA-_-NA&item=N82E16822136319&IsFeedbackTab=True&nm_mc=ExtBanner

Hope this helps a bit.
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September 8, 2010 5:12:35 AM

Thanks for the detailed and informative reply, Twoboxer!

One more question:
Do you think AMD counterpart for this exists?... which can powerfully deliver what Intel delivers (performance)? ..for a lesser price?
If AMD based processor& mobo are used is it true that it produces more heat? and needs additional cooling ?
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 8, 2010 5:23:19 AM

As long as you're not talking highest levels of performance, AMDs can be very competitive and lower priced. Sorry, though, I don't do AMD systems. Perhaps someone else will chime in.
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September 8, 2010 9:51:01 AM

Thanks for your input!

Please let me know if the following is good ( also add your recommended components)

CPU: i5 650, 3.2GHZ /4MB or quad i5 750 at 2.66 GHz,3.2 GHz
Motherboard: GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 or GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3

Memory: Kingston 2 x 2GB or Corsair 2 x 2GB DHX (very costly for me)
Harddisk: WD 1TB or WD 640GB green/blue/black
Graphics card: ATI HD 4650
PSU: 460W/500W cooler Master
DVD-RW: Sony/LG DVD writer
Monitor: Acer 22" Full HD or Benq 22" Full HD (actually no clarity here on which one to choose)

I request people in this community...to provide inputs on whether these are good mixture of components & whether AMD counterpart is available for lesser price/ good bang for buck/ fantastic performance for Architecture design software(s).
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September 8, 2010 10:13:03 AM

an AMD hexacore processor will outperform both the 650 and 750 for similar pricing (the 1055 2.8 GHz runs $180-200, while the 1090T goes for $280-299.) at multithreaded apps

I'd suggest something a little higher end than a 4650, just because your archetectural software will put some demands on your gpu. a 4850 with DDR5 (NOT DDR3) runs about $100, and should do what you need.
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September 8, 2010 2:15:35 PM

Thanks!
I would like to hear more combinations from others too. I too am working on this...
Keep the inputs flowing.
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September 8, 2010 4:01:25 PM

Thanks!!

Of the two combinations which ones to choose:

Issues:

In general Will using an AMD CPU cause more heat & deteriorate/slow down/ require extra cooling? (this pc is going to be used in a hot & humid City without air conditioning)
Will using a AMD CPU cause more power consumption?

Just Restating the Purpose:
Graphics processing: Architecture softwares, Revvit, AutoCAD, 3D Studio Max, photoshop; other purpose include using it for internet browsing, downloading, Microsoft office, watching HD movies, songs etc;It should not hang while using any or all of these softwares simultaneously

config 1:

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT55TFBGRBOX
Mobo : Help me out here ???????????
HD5670 DDR5
6GB RAM

Config 2:

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 LGA 1156
HD5670 DDR5
6GB RAM

All other components are going to same.
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a b B Homebuilt system
September 8, 2010 4:49:27 PM

p1tin said:
Thanks!!

Of the two combinations which ones to choose:

Issues:

In general Will using an AMD CPU cause more heat & deteriorate/slow down/ require extra cooling? (this pc is going to be used in a hot & humid City without air conditioning)
Will using a AMD CPU cause more power consumption?

Just Restating the Purpose:
Graphics processing: Architecture softwares, Revvit, AutoCAD, 3D Studio Max, photoshop; other purpose include using it for internet browsing, downloading, Microsoft office, watching HD movies, songs etc;It should not hang while using any or all of these softwares simultaneously

config 1:

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz 6 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor HDT55TFBGRBOX
Mobo : Help me out here ???????????
HD5670 DDR5
6GB RAM

Config 2:

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 LGA 1156
HD5670 DDR5
6GB RAM

All other components are going to same.



ok, With either of these, you should use Dual channel RAM (so 4 (2x2), 8 (4x2 or 2x4), 16 (4x4) usually). You can do 6GB by doing 2x2 GB and 2x 1GB dual channel, but the savings is relatively small $30-50, depending) compared to 8 GB in the form of 4 sticks of 2 GB)

As for the motherboard, since you aren't going crossfire, you should get by with a lower end or mid-range board. an ASROCK 770 without SATA 3 or USB 3 is about $60. one with is about $75. You could also use a 785G, 780L, or 880G from a variety of manufacturers, that run $65-80.

with the lower cost of the motherboard, you might be able to get a 5770 ($140ish) which is a lot better than the 5670. or get the 4870 if you don't need Direct X 11. 1 GB 4870s are as low as $105, and are comparable to the 5770 in power

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a b B Homebuilt system
September 8, 2010 6:59:13 PM

Note that unless the apps you are running are multi-threaded, multiple cores won't help much. Make sure you keep your objective in mind.

Also, the following objective review may be helpful to you in comparing performance of the parts you are looking at:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/amds-sixcore-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-1055t-reviewed/1
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September 23, 2010 8:39:22 AM

Best answer selected by p1tin.
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September 23, 2010 8:40:07 AM

Thanks Twoboxer & everyone else for your inputs. Will update on what I bought soon.
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October 12, 2010 9:18:25 AM

Thanks everyone.
I have built the PC based majorly on inputs from this thread:

I have made another thread inviting comments/review/suggestions/tweaks on my new build (this thread was marked 'solved' so was not sure whether to post that here):
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/296833-31-archi-desig...
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