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APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Preferably soon but willing to wait with enough reason.

BUDGET RANGE: Preferably under $600.00 After Rebates (although negotiable if compelling enough)

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Watching Movies, Surfing the Internet, limited Video/Picture Editing

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: To Cannibalize or Not To Cannibalize.
Case:
Thermaltake SViking VA4000BWS Black 0.8 mm SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case, Item #: N82E16811133142
$75.99, Order Submitted: 3/28/2006 1:03:28 PM
http://www2.dealtime.com/xPO-Thermaltake-CASE-TT-VA4000BWS-RT-SVIKING
Power Supply:
AeroCool ZERODBA S620 620W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready Modular Power Supply, Item #: N82E16817331002
$118.99, Order Submitted: 4/4/2006 3:00:31 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817331002&cm_re=17-331-002-_-17-331-002-_-Product
Processor Fan:
ZALMAN 9500A-LED 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler, Item #: N82E16835118223
$63.99, Order Submitted: 4/6/2006 4:30:08 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835118223
Video Card:
Leadtek PX7900 GTX Extreme GeForce 7900GTX 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card, Item #: N82E16814122241
$589.00, Order Submitted: 4/6/2006 4:30:08 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814122241&cm_re=7900GTX-_-14-122-241-_-Product
Hard Drive:
Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10000 RPM SATA 1.5Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive, Item #: N82E16822144160
$155.00, Order Submitted: 3/28/2006 1:03:28 PM
Western Digital Raptor WD740ADFD 74GB 10000 RPM SATA 1.5Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive, Item #: N82E16822136033
$159.99, Order Submitted: 3/26/2007 6:01:38 PM
Monitor:
SAMSUNG SyncMaster 19-inch TFT LCD Flat-Panel Monitor 930B
http://www.amazon.com/SAMSUNG-SyncMaster-19-inch-Flat-Panel-930B/dp/B0009292SA
Optical Drive:
SAMSUNG Combo Drive Black IDE Model SH-M522C/BEBN - OEM, Item #: N82E16827151086
"SAMSUNG Black 16X DVD-ROM 52X CD-R 32X CD-RW 52X CD-ROM 2MB Cache IDE Combo Drive - OEM"
$24.99, Order Submitted: 3/28/2006 1:03:28 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827151086&cm_re=SH-M522C-_-27-151-086-_-Product
Keyboard:
RAZER Tarantula Black USB Ultimate Gaming Keyboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823114001
Mouse:
RAZER Copperhead Tempest RZ01-00050100-R1M1 Blue 7 Buttons 1 x Wheel Gold plated USB Laser Engine 2000 dpi Gaming Mouse
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826153105&cm_re=Copperhead-_-26-153-105-_-Product
Speakers:
Labtec LCS-1060 Spin 60 2-Piece Computer Speakers
http://www.amazon.com/Labtec-LCS-1060-2-Piece-Computer-Speakers/dp/B00004TL5V/ref=cm_cr_pr_product_top
Sound Card:
Creative SOUND BLASTER X-Fi Platinum 7.1 Channels 24-bit 96KHz PCI Interface Sound Card, Model: SB0460
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16829102190
Additional Fans:
Rosewill RFX-120BL 120mm 2 Ball Bearing Blue LED Case Fan with Fan Controller Set, Item #: N82E16835200028
$15.98, ($7.99 ea) x2, Order Submitted: 4/6/2007 12:01:24 PM

Operating System: Windows XP for now (unless compelling combo deal exists for Windows 7)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, searching within close proximity to zip 78753

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US

PARTS PREFERENCES: No preference really -
1) Searching for additional justification to go Intel. After having looked into several sites about this "i5", I have decided it is best aligned for my current needs. Don't misunderstand me, having been an owner of an AMD product in the past - I have nothing but good things to say.
2) I am also searching for opinions - if I can cannibalize all but the platform from this system found above and assimilate. Or, if thought inadequate, suggestions for replacement parts. So, here goes -

Processor:
Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor BX80605I5750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215
$194.99
Motherboard:
ASUS P7P55D LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131404
$149.99
Memory:
Patriot Viper 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PVS34G1600LLK
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820220285
$124.99

That comes to roughly $469.97.
$130.03 is not much room for a video card, which is why I ask if it is feasible to use the old video card and place the money elsewhere.

OVERCLOCKING: Not considered at this time, maybe, justified for another thread?
Never attempted before - so if suggested I would follow verbatim and provide outcome after parts assembly.

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Neither

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1280x1024 currently; looking for higher if in price range (video card).

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Previously -
Processor:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ Manchester 2.21GHz Socket 939 89W Dual-Core Processor ADA4200BVBOX, Item #: N82E16819103547
$355.00, Order Submitted: 3/20/2006 5:31:44 AM
http://www.pricegrabber.com/user_sales_getprod.php?masterid=62173869&lot_id=8963928
Motherboard:
ASUS A8N32-SLI Deluxe 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI X16 ATX AMD Motherboard, Item #: N82E16813131568
$199.99, Order Submitted: 4/9/2006 12:30:06 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131568
Memory:
Patriot 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC2G3200LLK, Item #: N82E16820220040
$192.99, Order Submitted: 4/4/2006 3:00:31 PM
And
Patriot 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model PDC2G3200LLK, Item #: N82E16820220040
$199.25, Order Submitted: 3/28/2006 1:03:28 PM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-220-040&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=37#scrollFullInfo
 
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Well, defective video cards are to be found for every maker but you can get some other HD 5850 (no combo though) maybe with a cheaper mobo:

[strike]ASRock 870 EXTREME3[/strike] (not good, see below)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157198
ASUS M4A87TD/USB3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131651

(The first one has crossfire}

The idea was to get a HD 5850 but for that Dell (1680x1050) the 5850 is kinda overkill so you better get a full HD monitor, the one above recommended bybanthracis or:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236079

The second RAM is too expensive and it seems you need a new HDD though. You can...
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Your current resolution really doesn't require a powerful GPU. In fact, a monitor upgrade would be one of the things I'd recommend.

There really isn't anything outside the case, peripherals and sound card you should be reusing.

The issue with the 7900gtx is no place actually sells them, so it's Ebay really.

Thing to ask yourself now, is do you want to get the best $600 PC you can? Or would you rather get a good expandable platform now to upgrade over the next year.


If you want the best PC with a new 1080p monitor for $600 then:

HD
F3 500 $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181

Monitor
Asus 23" 1920x1080 $170 w/ $20 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236081

CPU/Optical
Athlon II x3 and Lite on SATA $91
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.494428

Mobo/RAM
Ga 770 USB3 and corsair XMS $154 w/ $25 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.492657

Not thrilled with the timings on the RAM, but for the money the deal is amazing.

GPU/PSU
5770 and OCZ 700W modxstream $190 w/ $35 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.506261

Total after rebates and shipping: $595.28
 
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Thank you Banthracis,
I really do appreciate your feedback.

Great news for me, I can acquire this other monitor (outside of the $600.00 range):
Dell UltraSharp 2208WFP - 22" - widescreen TFT active matrix LCD display w/ USB hub
Question - HDMI vs. HDCP?
Is there any loss with taking this monitor over purchasing another, such as the Asus you suggested?

I do have to mention the part about the combo you suggested (PSU and Video card).
About the power supply suggestion - I do not see the reason why you would recommend I get a different power supply -
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W ATX12V V2.2 / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341017
$69.99
SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873
$139.99
Total after Rebates: $154.98
This PSU is 600W. My current PSU is 620W. Other than your suggestion coming with a video card, I do not see the need for this power supply.

After careful consideration - I am teetering between:

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103727
$165.99
MSI NF980-G65 AM3 NVIDIA nForce 980a SLI HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130236
$159.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
$91.99
$417.97 (with around $182.03 left for video)

And.

AMD Athlon II X3 445 Rana 3.1GHz 3 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor ADX445WFGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103872
$77.99
MSI NF980-G65 AM3 NVIDIA nForce 980a SLI HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130236
$159.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
$91.99
$329.97 (with around $270.03 left for video)

So the only things questionable are on the video end:

What card brands should I look into?

One thing about video (if you happen to have a good doc/link for explanation, please add):
1 x HDMI
1 x D-SUB
1 x DVI
I understand DVI (Digital Visual Interface), actually using it.
But HDMI (High-Definition Multimedia Interface) = unlocking HD, hadn't really seen the real deal with HD yet but am hopeful.
And D-SUB (D-subminiature) - When would I ever use this?

And would you or any others please comment on this so far, if this is paying too much for a quad core, "AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE Deneb 3.4GHz", when I should be looking for less.
And what video card brands or even models to purchase for this 2208WFP.
Again, thank you very much for your time.
 
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thats a very good build, but i will make some changes:

cahnge athlon x3 for phenom ii x2 555, its better in gaming

g.skill ddr3 4gb 1600mhz cl7

ocz sealthstream 600w will be enought for crossfire 5770
 
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Thank you Mosox, I'd like to purchase almost all of your suggestions right now. Nice find on the video/mobo combo. I only worry about receiving one of these defective items that I read in the owner's comments.

The one last thing I wanted to ask is about is a possible RAM change:

The suggested RAM mentioned earlier, 9-9-9-24-2N.
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
$91.99

Or
G.SKILL PI 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL6D-4GBPI
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=20-231-351
$134.99
Both still keep me within range and the latter, "PI", is 6-8-6-24.
 
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Well, defective video cards are to be found for every maker but you can get some other HD 5850 (no combo though) maybe with a cheaper mobo:

[strike]ASRock 870 EXTREME3[/strike] (not good, see below)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157198
ASUS M4A87TD/USB3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131651

(The first one has crossfire}

The idea was to get a HD 5850 but for that Dell (1680x1050) the 5850 is kinda overkill so you better get a full HD monitor, the one above recommended bybanthracis or:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236079

The second RAM is too expensive and it seems you need a new HDD though. You can use your IDE DVD-writer for now (the new mobos only have one IDE port so you can use only 2 IDE devices (an optical and a HDD or two HDDs).

Wait, the Asrock doesn't have IDE, my mistake. Lemme check on the other one, brb.

Yep, the Gigabyte or Asus are good if you want to reuse the DVD and a HDD.







 
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Alright, please let me know if you agree or have another suggestion in mind.
So far this is what I think is set:

CPU:
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103808
$154.99

Mobo:
ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131651
$99.99

Here is what I am not set on (found 2 other possibilities - please suggest):
RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100006519%2050008476%2040000147&IsNodeId=1&page=2&bop=And&ActiveSearchResult=True&CompareItemList=147|20-231-277^20-231-277-TS%2C20-231-321^20-231-321-TS%2C20-231-303^20-231-303-TS

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277
$91.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303
$96.99

G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBECO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231321
$97.99

Depending on if I take the more expensive ram, that would be $352.97 (cpu, mobo, ram), leaving around $247.03 for video card.
Concerning the video card - if we were to disregard the budget, for performance of the equipment (to include a future monitor upgrade), which would you suggest?

Video card:
SAPPHIRE 100297SR Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card Call of Duty (COD) Edition w/ ATI Eyefinity Technology
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102879
$209.99

EVGA 01G-P3-1373-TR GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) Superclocked EE FTW 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130567
$239.99

HIS H585FN1GD Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814161330
$264.99

ASUS EAH5850 DirectCU TOP/2DIS/1GD5 Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ ATI Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814121370
$309.99

EVGA 012-P3-1470-AR GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130550
$314.99

EVGA 012-P3-1472-AR GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked FTW 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130549
$349.99

And please let me know if you have a better video card selection found I could add to this purchase. Just within reason ~ <$350.00. Thank you guys again for all your insight.
 
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.509748

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231278

With the HIS 5850 that's $593.96.

I don't know which 5850 is better, I don't have them all :). Maybe the XFX?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150477&cm_re=hd_5850-_-14-150-477-_-Product

wait, you have increased the budget. I own that one and it's very nice I don't know if it worth the price difference over a regular HD 5850 though (it's faster):

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102881&cm_re=sapphire_toxic_5850-_-14-102-881-_-Product



 
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Wow, thank you Mosox.
Everything considered, total comes to $746.58 - when selecting the Sapphire.
That is with a new HDD:
Western Digital Caviar Black WD1002FAEX 1TB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136533
$89.99

I know it's $146.58 over budget initially set - but like I said, you guys have alot of good information that I just couldn't find quickly or readily available without alot of digging.
I really appreciate all the help Banthracis and Mosox. And I appreciate you guys posting the links there so I can understand the correct items you are refering to quickly.
Unless there are any further changes to consider, I'd like to order by EOD.
Again I can't thank you guys enough.
 
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