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Budget Medion PC + Video card = Which one ?

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August 6, 2010 9:19:19 PM

Hello everybody,

I want to use, such as a lot of people, the power of the community.
Because I'm more of a carfreak and not a specialist in Hardware components.

This is my situation:
I want to buy a Video card for my stock Medion PC but without changing any other part of my computer.
I Have already read the best priced budget reviews but There are cards that are in my budget but the minimum requirements exceeding my Powersupply wattage.

These are the ones that are in my budget:

GeForce GTS 250

Radeon HD 5750 1 GB (+450 W ? )

NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT

Could anybody give me some advice on which one I should buy, please ?
It has not to be necessary one of these cards.


Extra Info:


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: I hope to buy a new video card next week

BUDGET RANGE: USD $120-130 (€90-€100)

USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming [Especially racing simulators like GTR evolution, Dirt 2, the new F1], HD television (but are looking for a HD monitor between 22"-24")

CURRENT GPU AND POWER SUPPLY: onboard GPU: Intel GMA x4500 and a FSP400-60EMDN (400W)

OTHER RELEVANT SYSTEM SPECS:
Motherboard: intel G41 Express chipset (PCI-e 1.1 x16 slot)
CPU: E5400 (2M cache, 2,70 GHz, 800 MHz FSB)
RAM : 3 GB DDR3 SDRAM 1333 MHz Elixir
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 SATA 3Gb/s 750GB Hard Drive (7.200 rpm)
CD-ROM Drive: Multiformat DVD-/CD-Brander: LG GH22NS50
OS: Windows 7 x86


PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: No specific ones, it will be the first time I buy a hardware piece on the internet.
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: BELGIUM (known of: Chocolate, Stella Artois, Duvel, French fries, strange political system)

PARTS PREFERENCES: No preferences, only reliability stands high on my list

OVERCLOCKING: No
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No

Kind regards,
R1nus
August 6, 2010 9:52:12 PM

GTS 250 hands down. Dont look back. just get it from a reputable company.
August 6, 2010 10:13:55 PM

That's a pretty confident answer :D 
Should I go for the 512 Mb or 1 Gb model ?
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August 6, 2010 10:34:15 PM

And this card exceeds my 400 W capacity (min 450 W).
If I look to the specifications on the Nvidia website.
August 6, 2010 10:37:48 PM

1gB 256bits ddr3.
August 6, 2010 10:46:53 PM

r1nus said:
Hello everybody,

GeForce GTS 250: need 450.

Radeon HD 5750 1 GB (+450 W ? ) + more :pt1cable: 

NVIDIA GeForce 9600 GT= FINE!


Motherboard: intel G41 Express chipset (PCI-e 1.1 x16 slot): Crap.
CPU: E5400 (2M cache, 2,70 GHz, 800 MHz FSB): Normal.
RAM : 3 GB DDR3 SDRAM 1333 MHz Elixir: Good.
HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 SATA 3Gb/s 750GB Hard Drive (7.200 rpm): Good.
CD-ROM Drive: Multiformat DVD-/CD-Brander: LG GH22NS50: Who cares?
OS: Windows 7 x86 : good


ok now the party has been destroyed by that seriously crap psu of yours. get the 9600GT now and be happy.
August 6, 2010 10:50:16 PM

btw you can get
gt220
gt240 too.
even can get gts250, its less hungry. and i cant find any psu specs of yours. is it 80 plus certified?
a c 376 U Graphics card
August 6, 2010 11:00:49 PM

r1nus said:
That's a pretty confident answer :D 
Should I go for the 512 Mb or 1 Gb model ?

He may sound confident but the GTS 250 is actually inferior to the HD5750 in a lot of ways. In terms of performance they are rather close but the HD5750 has a slight edge. On top of that the HD5750 is DX11, offers more current audio/video playback features and support for 3 monitors. And finally the HD5750 uses considerably less power/gives off less heat.
It is usually a bit more expensive as well but in terms of a straight comparison of the cards the HD5750 is simply better in pretty much every way that matters.
Unless that 9600GT is the low power version without the power connector then the HD5750 actually uses less power than either of the other cards(the GTS 250 uses the most by far.) You can likely use it on an FSP 400w but to be certain look at the side of the unit and tell me how many amps it claims to have on the +12v rail.
a c 376 U Graphics card
August 6, 2010 11:12:55 PM

Actually don't bother. I found it online;

336w on the +12v rails is enough for the HD5750 or the 9600GT and probably the GTS 250 as well but that may be pushing it a bit.
Is this a Dell computer by any chance? They often use FSP power supplies. If so it may have a BTX case which will limit you to single bracket cards so it is important to find out.
August 6, 2010 11:14:15 PM

Fetal said:
btw you can get
gt220
gt240 too.
even can get gts250, its less hungry. and i cant find any psu specs of yours. is it 80 plus certified?


It doesn't have a 80 plus certificate.

A GT240 and a 9600 GT are in my power capacity.
Are the 9600 GT - cards not hard to get ?
August 6, 2010 11:19:50 PM

So if I read it well you would recommend me the HD5750 if money is not an issue ( off course between these three cards).
Summone: HD5750 much safer for my Power supply and better performance.

Thank you very much for the info !
a c 376 U Graphics card
August 6, 2010 11:38:26 PM

Yes, that is what I'm saying. Under peak normal gaming conditions the HD5750 will use around 70-75w while the GTS 250 will use 110-115w.
In terms of actual performance the two cards are very close like I said but the HD5750 is approximately 5% faster on average.
August 6, 2010 11:38:43 PM

Get the 5750, it's a little slower then the GTS250 but you get DX11, much better power consumption and it's only a few fps which shouldn't be too much of a problem. Or maybe just pay the extra for the 5770, it smashes the GTS250 and still uses less power I believe.
August 6, 2010 11:42:10 PM

ati fanboys on loose.

w.e. GTS series is by far really good on saving power and producing less heat than any counterparts and old 8800 and 9800 series cards.

i will suggest you to go with again a gt240. Dirt2 is heavy game, would require a bit of muscle.
August 6, 2010 11:50:09 PM

AHAHAHAH every other website on the internet have different results for literally the same products. any comments on that fanboys?
a c 376 U Graphics card
August 6, 2010 11:51:08 PM

I'm quoting exact numbers, and giving links to reviews so how am I a fanboy? Just that you are suggesting the GT 240 over the HD5750 indicates you should look in the mirror when leveling that charge. Even if you thought his PSU couldn't handle the HD5750(it can) you skipped over the HD5670 to get to the GT 240 which makes your bias clear.
August 7, 2010 12:00:53 AM

why don't you quote the website 'that doesn't favor *ahem* ati' in anyway.

i am only biased because you are too. as simple as that. no one thinks of these cards sp gt210,220,240. GTS250 is king of mid range. deny that and it will prove your biasness.
August 7, 2010 12:03:07 AM

jyjjy said:
I'm quoting exact numbers, and giving links to reviews so how am I a fanboy? Just that you are suggesting the GT 240 over the HD5750 indicates you should look in the mirror when leveling that charge. Even if you thought his PSU couldn't handle the HD5750(it can) you skipped over the HD5670 to get to the GT 240 which makes your bias clear.


Lets stick with GTS250, HD 5750 and 5770.
a c 376 U Graphics card
August 7, 2010 12:07:48 AM

What are you talking about? Neither I nor techpowerup have any pro-ATI bias. The gave glowing reviews to the GTX 460 and I'm recommending it left and right these days. You are clearly just an Nvidia fanboy. The HD5750 is obviously superior in a number of ways and most importantly that it will actually be usable in this guy's computer because it is extremely power efficient while the GTS 250 would be a sketchy choice on that power supply.
That you recommended the GT 240 over the HD5750 or HD5670 is simply indefensible. Even if you were limiting yourself to Nvidia cards one of the low power 9800GTs would be his best choice so you are even ignorant of your preferred brands line-up.
August 7, 2010 8:35:47 AM

Fetal
if I look at the review of Tom's hardware here:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5770,2446...

They say the power consumption under load is lower than the GTS250.
So I would believe jvjjy and the performance of the HD5750 will do just fine for my gaming.

I'm more concerned about a failing power supply so for me it's a safer choise.

I'm not a fan of any brand (even not in cars) because it goes just about the performance and some competition between brands is always in our advantage.

The discussion gave me a lot of valuable information. Thank you both for your time and knowledge.

It's 7.25" long so it normally fit in my case ( http://www.diskidee.be/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/Medio... )

I still have one question, does it matter of which brand I buy it ? (e.g.: Asus, MSI, ... )
August 7, 2010 9:02:38 AM

Yeah. But both Asus and Msi are good. EVGA is my fav, more are BFG, HIS for ati, XFX for ati and Nvidia.
August 7, 2010 9:07:49 AM

jyjjy said:
What are you talking about? Neither I nor techpowerup have any pro-ATI bias. The gave glowing reviews to the GTX 460 and I'm recommending it left and right these days. You are clearly just an Nvidia fanboy. The HD5750 is obviously superior in a number of ways and most importantly that it will actually be usable in this guy's computer because it is extremely power efficient while the GTS 250 would be a sketchy choice on that power supply.
That you recommended the GT 240 over the HD5750 or HD5670 is simply indefensible. Even if you were limiting yourself to Nvidia cards one of the low power 9800GTs would be his best choice so you are even ignorant of your preferred brands line-up.


GTS250 and HDD5750 are two competitors. that's it. and he chose HD5750. End of topic.

i suggested gt240 because of his low psu. It cant even play dirt2 properly, let alone the new formula1.
August 7, 2010 9:51:35 AM

I know it's not the perfect video card but at least I will be able to run my older games such as GTR 2 and GT Legends with good settings. And I will be able to use my data acquistion system on another screen.

for 530 Euro's I have a small gaming pc, not so bad I think.

This is the card I bought:
Asus EAH5750 Grafikkarte (PCI-e, 1GB GDDR5 Speicher, 1 GPU) Full Retail

Again both thank you for all the information !

Kind regards,
Rinus
a c 376 U Graphics card
August 7, 2010 12:29:28 PM

You'll be able play more than just older games at good settings. For 1680x1050 the card will do quite well and at resolutions below that it will be great. Even at 1920x1080 all current games will be playable at at least medium settings and most on high although you may want to leave AA off.
August 7, 2010 12:55:53 PM

jyjjy said:
although you may want to leave AA off.


Epic words just said there <--- thumbs up.
August 8, 2010 7:31:43 PM

that's anti-aliasing, I suppose... :ange: 

I don't know what it is but I will look it up :D .

It's the first time I buy something not standard but you give me confidence about my choice.
a c 376 U Graphics card
August 8, 2010 7:41:52 PM

Yes, anti-aliasing. It smooths out the edges of lines and textures so they are less jagged. Really it is more of a big deal at lower resolutions and then your card will be able to handle it. Edges at higher resolutions are naturally less jagged so while it's still nice it isn't as important.
August 8, 2010 7:53:50 PM

Does every 3D-card has this ability ?

It will be such a big improvement that I will not see it, at least not in the beginning :D .
a c 376 U Graphics card
August 8, 2010 8:02:02 PM

Every card can use it but it is usually quite graphically intensive so it wouldn't make sense to turn it on if you are already using a card that struggles with a game.
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