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August 8, 2010 4:02:46 PM

Hello,
I have Pentium D processor @2.5Ghz, G31/G33 Intel chipset board , 1.0 Gb DDR2 RAM.I thought to buy a low profile graphic card with the budget around 3000INR. So thought of Nvidia 9500GT 512mb at 2800INR but also 9400GT is at 1900INR .

I compared these two and found out 9500GT is twice the performance of 9400GT. But when i saw the nvidia website , the memory bandwidth of 9500GT for DDR2 is only 16.0 GB/sec which is near to 12.0GB/sec of 9400GT,and Memory Clock (MHz) 800 (GDDR3) and 500 (DDR2) which is also near to 9400GT, only the difference is in CUDA processors 16&32. So if i take 9500GT by spending more money am i benefited? my mobo only supports DDR2.

And also my Monitor 17" flat LCD (max resolution 1280*1024), so i can't play games at more than this resolution, i have heard 1Gb is only necessary for high resolution play. I can afford 1Gb 9400GT shall i prefer that? or only 512mb is sufficient?.

And the most important thing is Does these two support my motherboard? and you can suggest any other cards within this budget range. I heard system gets hanged many times if use ATI cards , is it true?

My monitor only has VGA port but these cards have HDMI technology!, for what can i use this ?

Most of recent games also need a better system configuration like core2duo with at least 2gb RAM , i can't upgrade my system now ,so i think it won't be worthy if i spend more money and get a higher end card, what do u think ?

But at-least i have to play some recent games like call of duty MW , Ghost recon Advanced warfighter,NFS shift,GTA 4 (if supported). So which GPU is the best selection?

Please help me in this clarification, thanks!

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August 8, 2010 4:38:28 PM

:pfff:  even spending a penny behind this pc will be a complete waste.

first of all if you buy a gpu your low-end cpu will just bottle-neck ,i.e you won't find any difference between a 9500 and 9400 with that cpu.
you need atleast need (minimum) a core2duo to play the games you mentioned above.
secondly 1Gb Ram :heink:  and you wan't to play games??? are you living in the ancient times?? at-least 3Gb of Ram is needed to play the games!

So, my first hand and last opinion would be not to spend a penny behind this rig,any money you spend for upgrading the the gpu will be a waste.There will be no significant gain in performance.

So, if you can't afford a new rig now, don't waste any thing behind this. Save the money you got, spend it in the future. :D 
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August 8, 2010 4:53:05 PM

raiyus13 said:
:pfff:  even spending a penny behind this pc will be a complete waste.

first of all if you buy a gpu your low-end cpu will just bottle-neck ,i.e you won't find any difference between a 9500 and 9400 with that cpu.
you need atleast need (minimum) a core2duo to play the games you mentioned above.
secondly 1Gb Ram :heink:  and you wan't to play games??? are you living in the ancient times?? at-least 3Gb of Ram is needed to play the games!

So, my first hand and last opinion would be not to spend a penny behind this rig,any money you spend for upgrading the the gpu will be a waste.There will be no significant gain in performance.

So, if you can't afford a new rig now, don't waste any thing behind this. Save the money you got, spend it in the future. :D 

Not everyone has the money to get UBER SUPER DUPER MEGA pc's.
You did not help the guy at all... :sweat: 
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Anyhow... 9500GT is twice as fast as the 9400GT.
If you can afford the 9500GT 1gb, get it, it wont be a problem with your pc.
They have VGA, DVI and some come with a DVI to HDMI adaptor, so yeah, you are fine.
Also, if you can upgrade to 2gb of ram it would be nice for some games, NOT ALL.
Hope this helps :) 
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August 8, 2010 5:07:38 PM

gerardb said:
Not everyone has the money to get UBER SUPER DUPER MEGA pc's.
You did not help the guy at all... :sweat: 
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Anyhow... 9500GT is twice as fast as the 9400GT.
If you can afford the 9500GT 1gb, get it, it wont be a problem with your pc.
They have VGA, DVI and some come with a DVI to HDMI adaptor, so yeah, you are fine.
Also, if you can upgrade to 2gb of ram it would be nice for some games, NOT ALL.
Hope this helps :) 




I'm sorry gerardb :sarcastic:  .

but don't you think he is wasting his money behind this rig? I also want to help him.
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August 8, 2010 6:23:06 PM

raiyus13 said:
:pfff:  even spending a penny behind this pc will be a complete waste.

first of all if you buy a gpu your low-end cpu will just bottle-neck ,i.e you won't find any difference between a 9500 and 9400 with that cpu.
you need atleast need (minimum) a core2duo to play the games you mentioned above.
secondly 1Gb Ram :heink:  and you wan't to play games??? are you living in the ancient times?? at-least 3Gb of Ram is needed to play the games!

So, my first hand and last opinion would be not to spend a penny behind this rig,any money you spend for upgrading the the gpu will be a waste.There will be no significant gain in performance.

So, if you can't afford a new rig now, don't waste any thing behind this. Save the money you got, spend it in the future. :D 

Yeah! I know my PC is ancient , i can't upgrade right now. My friend also has dual core @2.5Ghz with 1gb ram , gpu=8400GS but he can play COD MW, ghost recon etc.
see minimum requirements for COD MW
Minimum System Requirements

Required (minimum) Specs
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 2.4 GHz or AMD(R) Athlon(TM) 64 2800+ processor or any 1.8Ghz Dual Core Processor or better supported
RAM: 512MB RAM (768MB for Windows Vista)
Hard Drive: 8GB of free space
Video card: NVIDIA(R) Geforce(TM) 6600
or better or ATI(R) Radeon(R) 9800 Pro or better

I have a much better config than minimum, so i can play! what do u say?
However, when i upgrade my PC i'll retain the card which i buy now, so it'll be useful.
Anyway, thanks!!
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August 8, 2010 6:27:44 PM

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August 8, 2010 6:31:32 PM

raiyus13 said:
:pfff:  even spending a penny behind this pc will be a complete waste.

first of all if you buy a gpu your low-end cpu will just bottle-neck ,i.e you won't find any difference between a 9500 and 9400 with that cpu.
you need atleast need (minimum) a core2duo to play the games you mentioned above.
secondly 1Gb Ram :heink:  and you wan't to play games??? are you living in the ancient times?? at-least 3Gb of Ram is needed to play the games!

So, my first hand and last opinion would be not to spend a penny behind this rig,any money you spend for upgrading the the gpu will be a waste.There will be no significant gain in performance.

So, if you can't afford a new rig now, don't waste any thing behind this. Save the money you got, spend it in the future. :D 


Yeah! I know my PC is ancient , i can't upgrade right now. My friend also has dual core @2.5Ghz with 1gb ram , gpu=8400GS but he can play COD MW, ghost recon etc.
see minimum requirements for COD MW
Minimum System Requirements

Required (minimum) Specs
CPU: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 2.4 GHz or AMD(R) Athlon(TM) 64 2800+ processor or any 1.8Ghz Dual Core Processor or better supported
RAM: 512MB RAM (768MB for Windows Vista)
Hard Drive: 8GB of free space
Video card: NVIDIA(R) Geforce(TM) 6600
or better or ATI(R) Radeon(R) 9800 Pro or better

I have a much better config than minimum, so i can play! what do u say?
However, when i upgrade my PC i'll retain the card which i buy now, so it'll be useful.
Anyway, thanks!!
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August 8, 2010 6:38:57 PM

gerardb said:
Not everyone has the money to get UBER SUPER DUPER MEGA pc's.
You did not help the guy at all... :sweat: 
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Anyhow... 9500GT is twice as fast as the 9400GT.
If you can afford the 9500GT 1gb, get it, it wont be a problem with your pc.
They have VGA, DVI and some come with a DVI to HDMI adaptor, so yeah, you are fine.
Also, if you can upgrade to 2gb of ram it would be nice for some games, NOT ALL.
Hope this helps :) 

Yeah! that really helps, always a answer like this is expected!. Thanks a lot . But Tell me does COD and ghost recon need so high config for smooth play? Is Dual core with 1gb RAM not enough?If so i'll think to upgrade to 2Gb ram. Also tell me 512mb or 1Gb video card?does 1 gb really needed for me now( i have heard 1Gb is only for high resolution gameplay) ?
Anyway thanks a lot again!
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August 8, 2010 6:42:31 PM

raiyus13 said:
I'm sorry gerardb :sarcastic:  .

but don't you think he is wasting his money behind this rig? I also want to help him.

I know U guys really wanna help me , i'm very thankful to u for answering me. Your responses are pleasure to me :) 
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August 8, 2010 7:18:55 PM

raiyus13 said:
:pfff:  even spending a penny behind this pc will be a complete waste.

first of all if you buy a gpu your low-end cpu will just bottle-neck ,i.e you won't find any difference between a 9500 and 9400 with that cpu.
you need atleast need (minimum) a core2duo to play the games you mentioned above.
secondly 1Gb Ram :heink:  and you wan't to play games??? are you living in the ancient times?? at-least 3Gb of Ram is needed to play the games!

So, my first hand and last opinion would be not to spend a penny behind this rig,any money you spend for upgrading the the gpu will be a waste.There will be no significant gain in performance.

So, if you can't afford a new rig now, don't waste any thing behind this. Save the money you got, spend it in the future. :D 

Sorry Raiyus13 but although that is a low end CPU by todays i7 standards so is the GPU. It will NOT bottleneck either of those GPU's as they are both very low end. They still use DDR2 memory. I'm sorry say but they are not really gaming GPU's but if this is all you can afford go for whichever is cheaper. If you could afford around an extra £20.00 get a n Nvidia GT 240.
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August 8, 2010 10:58:27 PM

I agree with kkkk1, a nice GT240 can play almost every game at 720P (my cousin has it)
and welll, having more memory on the GPU helps in some games.
And well, COD can be played in almost any computer, as long as you have a "decent" GPU.
A friend of mine has a 9500GT and he plays COD at 720P on his plasma super smooth.
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August 8, 2010 11:01:39 PM

raiyus13 said:
I'm sorry gerardb :sarcastic:  .

but don't you think he is wasting his money behind this rig? I also want to help him.

The sarcasm was uncalled for.
I agree that his computer is not the best, but the way you said it was rude. AND you didn't answer ANY of his questions.
IMO that is incorrect, and a useless post. :pfff: 
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August 9, 2010 7:28:51 AM

gerardb said:
The sarcasm was uncalled for.
I agree that his computer is not the best, but the way you said it was rude. AND you didn't answer ANY of his questions.
IMO that is incorrect, and a useless post. :pfff: 


I apologize to everyone here. :sweat: 

I just wanting to help him in my way though. I know it was rude and i apologize for that, but it was for his betterment only.

@patil_62

but as kkkk1 said, i also agree with him. go for a GT240 rather. :D 
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August 9, 2010 7:58:31 AM

Dude your PC was a lot like mine ;) 
i had a Dell Optiplex 360 and it has Intel Dual Core which practically sucks at gameplay, it has only 235W of power and to top it up it only supports half height cards :(  so i think you are slightly better than me but then again i have 4 gb DDR3 ram which is enough for those games
anyway the GT 240 will do you great, also i would suggest you wait for prices to come down a bit and maybe you can get the core 2 duo E7500 which is about 5800 INR and is also given an Honorable Mention by Don Woligroski's review. Another upgrading option would be AMD's mobo and processors which are cheaper and better option then Intel your call...
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August 9, 2010 8:39:23 AM

@Patil_62:
Here's a list of the approx. prices of cards in India (which is what helped me in my time of need!)

http://www.newtechnology.co.in/nvidia-geforce-graphics-...

To answer your question, go for the 9500GT. It ain't the most desirable of cards, but will pull you through for the time being. Of course, keep in mind that should you look at the more recent games, you'll need a better GPU/ CPU.

Having said that, the 9500GT WILL run most of your games. But again, as gerardb said, consider upgrading your RAM coz that will help a lot! The 1 gb on the GPU wouldn't be of much use unless you're running high resolutions. Further, the GT240 would be a bit more than 6000 here, so it may be out of your budget.

On another note, I liked the way you took some of the comments made here in your stride. More often than none, this turns out into a battle of words and totally misses the point of having such forums. :) 

Enjoy!!
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August 9, 2010 8:44:18 AM

Kkkk1 said:
Sorry Raiyus13 but although that is a low end CPU by todays i7 standards so is the GPU. It will NOT bottleneck either of those GPU's as they are both very low end. They still use DDR2 memory. I'm sorry say but they are not really gaming GPU's but if this is all you can afford go for whichever is cheaper. If you could afford around an extra £20.00 get a n Nvidia GT 240.

Yeah! I know these aren't really gaming GPU's . But the GPU's which i mentioned is far better than the inbuilt Chip Type: Intel(R) GMA 3100 with 256mb memory. At least i can play some games!! . And u may know 20.00 pounds=1,469.61 INR. I think i can't afford that , I'll go with 9500GT -512mb . Thanks :) 
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August 9, 2010 9:01:01 AM

namelessonez said:
@Patil_62:
Here's a list of the approx. prices of cards in India (which is what helped me in my time of need!)

http://www.newtechnology.co.in/nvidia-geforce-graphics-...

To answer your question, go for the 9500GT. It ain't the most desirable of cards, but will pull you through for the time being. Of course, keep in mind that should you look at the more recent games, you'll need a better GPU/ CPU.

Having said that, the 9500GT WILL run most of your games. But again, as gerardb said, consider upgrading your RAM coz that will help a lot! The 1 gb on the GPU wouldn't be of much use unless you're running high resolutions. Further, the GT240 would be a bit more than 6000 here, so it may be out of your budget.

On another note, I liked the way you took some of the comments made here in your stride. More often than none, this turns out into a battle of words and totally misses the point of having such forums. :) 

Enjoy!!

Thanks..!!! That price list really helped. But one doubt , 9500GT 1gb=3650INR and , 9500GT 512mb =3350INR, only a difference of 300INR?? and price list missed 9400GT 512mb. What is its price?
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August 9, 2010 9:04:16 AM

raiyus13 said:
I apologize to everyone here. :sweat: 

I just wanting to help him in my way though. I know it was rude and i apologize for that, but it was for his betterment only.

@patil_62

but as kkkk1 said, i also agree with him. go for a GT240 rather. :D 

Hey, come on .. No need of apologize. I just wanted your opinion you gave it ,, thats all :) 
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August 9, 2010 9:55:40 AM

patil_62 said:
Hey, come on .. No need of apologize. I just wanted your opinion you gave it ,, thats all :) 


Im glad that you forgave me :) 

You know I only wanted to help you, I know the way was bad and many may find it to be rude, Im sorry for it. :( 

I know the the prices of India because I live in here. So, a bit of tip for you.
If you buy an ati card from any stores (not from internet) ,you will find them to be real cheap.
So, why don,t you get an ati rather than a geforce. normally they cost less and even you can find lesser if you buy it from stores.
you can go for the HD 4670 which cost around 3000INR or may be even lesser.It will just completely destroy a 9500GT :D 

Here see this benchmark :




and ye, sorry once again ,i only wanted to help ,I guess it didn't worked out quite well hehe... :D 
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August 9, 2010 10:02:56 AM

The difference of 300 doesn't look much, right??? Well, that's because that card is a lower-end card and doesn't have a big market. Plus, it's old technology as compared to today's card. Don't worry, the difference is legit! ;) 

Also, the 9400GT 512MB DOES find mention in the list:

POV 9400GT 512MB DDR2 –Rs.3250
Palit GeForce 9400GT Super 512MB DDR2 Graphic Card –Rs.2460.00

But I hope you're not considering the 9400 over the 9500??? Coz the 9500 IS better....
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August 9, 2010 10:16:21 AM

raiyus13 said:
Im glad that you forgave me :) 

You know I only wanted to help you, I know the way was bad and many may find it to be rude, Im sorry for it. :( 

I know the the prices of India because I live in here. So, a bit of tip for you.
If you buy an ati card from any stores (not from internet) ,you will find them to be real cheap.
So, why don,t you get an ati rather than a geforce. normally they cost less and even you can find lesser if you buy it from stores.
you can go for the HD 4670 which cost around 3000INR or may be even lesser.It will just completely destroy a 9500GT :D 

Here see this benchmark :


http://www.cdrinfo.com/images/uploaded/AMD_Performance_HD4670VsGeForce9500GT.jpg

and ye, sorry once again ,i only wanted to help ,I guess it didn't worked out quite well hehe... :D 

Oh , wow! You live in India ,thats great opportunity for me :)  In graph they are compared at resolution 1600*1200. But my resolution 1280*1024.Does it matters??
And I comapred the cards using GPU review , HD4670 is far better . Are you sure price for 512mb is below 3000Rs?when i googled it showed 4000rs and odd.
My friend told ATI cards hung up the PC often. Is it true? Any performance change not listed on comparison. How can ATI provide such high spec card for low price??
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August 9, 2010 10:21:28 AM

patil_62 said:
Oh , wow! You live in India ,thats great opportunity for me :)  In graph they are compared at resolution 1600*1200. But my resolution 1280*1024.Does it matters??
And I comapred the cards using GPU review , HD4670 is far better . Are you sure price for 512mb is below 3000Rs?when i googled it showed 4000rs and odd.
My friend told ATI cards hung up the PC often. Is it true? Any performance change not listed on comparison. How can ATI provide such high spec card for low price??

ATi makes cards that are good value-for-money.The 4670 will cost 3000-4000 INR and you should be able to play most games on it at that resolution at medium-high settings depending on the game.
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August 9, 2010 10:24:31 AM

Both ATi and NVIDIA cards can be problematic under certain circumstances.Neither is better than the other in terms of reliability and quality.
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August 9, 2010 10:25:45 AM

namelessonez said:
Sorry for the double post! :) 

If you're considering going the ATI way, this would interest you:

http://www.newtechnology.co.in/ati-radeon-hd-5550-price...

If you're getting DX11 for 3500INR, there's really nothing like it! But I'm an nVidia fan all the way, soooo.......:D 

WoooW! HD 5550 is really good . Does ATI lack something than Nvidia? how can they provide a far better spec than nvidia,even at low price?Does pc hung often with ATI cards ??
and does it supports my mobo?they are all GDDR3 mine is DDR2 , even if they support will they provide a good memory bandwidth?
What should i consider HD4670 or HD5550 or 9500GT?
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August 9, 2010 10:31:41 AM

namelessonez said:

But I'm an nVidia fan all the way, soooo.......:D 

Sorry for personal Question. What made you to become an Nvidia fan?
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August 9, 2010 10:34:11 AM

Here is a review:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5570,2552...
The 5550 has lower memory and core clocks than a 5570,and with lower shaders.
So the 4670 should be on par/ slightly better than the 5550.When it comes down to these two, get the one that is cheaper, but they are both better than a 9500 GT.
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August 9, 2010 10:36:00 AM

Like Tamz said: ATI gives value for money. Although I have heard more probs in ATI than in nVidia, there is no doubt that ATI has the cheaper cards. And many people are using ATI over nVidia. But both have their own pro's and con's. There's no catch as such, IMO....the prices of ATI are simply, cheaper!

Just to correct you there, the 5550 is "DDR2", and not DDR3. So yes, your mobo should support it.
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August 9, 2010 10:37:10 AM

Tamz_msc said:
ATi makes cards that are good value-for-money.The 4670 will cost 3000-4000 INR and you should be able to play most games on it at that resolution at medium-high settings depending on the game.

What about HD 5550? I think its more worthy than HD4670!and a latest release too..
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August 9, 2010 10:45:25 AM

patil_62 said:
Sorry for personal Question. What made you to become an Nvidia fan?


Ask away my friend.....:) 

Guess maybe coz I did a whole load of reading on ATI vs. nVidia and found a lot of people complaining about compatibility issues with ATI. But that was a long way back (I'm talking 3-4 years and I know that ATI's come a long way since then). Plus, the guys in Delhi deal mainly in nVidia. Since it's more common, I went for it. Also, nVidia has PhySx, which whatever the whole world may say, worked for me. I had an FX5200 first, then a 9400Gt (igig) and now I have the MSI Twin Frozr N250GTS (1 gig). None of them really let me down. I upgraded because times demanded so.

Again, I'm not saying ATI's a bad card......just that nVidia appealed 'more' to me.
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August 9, 2010 10:49:08 AM

Tamz_msc said:
Here is a review:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-5570,2552...
The 5550 has lower memory and core clocks than a 5570,and with lower shaders.
So the 4670 should be on par/ slightly better than the 5550.When it comes down to these two, get the one that is cheaper, but they are both better than a 9500 GT.



Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 5570 is DDR3, while the 5550 is DDR2. The OP's mobo supports only DDR2, so I guess it wouldn't support the 5570.
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August 9, 2010 10:51:24 AM

What has Graphics memory type got to do with the motherboard ? You're confusing graphics memory with RAM.
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August 9, 2010 10:53:48 AM

namelessonez said:
Like Tamz said: ATI gives value for money. Although I have heard more probs in ATI than in nVidia, there is no doubt that ATI has the cheaper cards. And many people are using ATI over nVidia. But both have their own pro's and con's. There's no catch as such, IMO....the prices of ATI are simply, cheaper!

Just to correct you there, the 5550 is "DDR2", and not DDR3. So yes, your mobo should support it.

Just see this http://www.gpureview.com/show_cards.php?card1=579&card2... .It says its GDDR3 , and some sites its equipped with GDDR5. What if i use DDR3 memory? does it only reduces bandwidth or doesn't support at all?
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August 9, 2010 10:53:59 AM

namelessonez said:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the 5570 is DDR3, while the 5550 is DDR2. The OP's mobo supports only DDR2, so I guess it wouldn't support the 5570.

Graphic card RAM is not the same as and has nothing to do with motherboard RAM, a card with GDDR5 would work in his motherboard.
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August 9, 2010 10:54:59 AM

I know for a fact that RAM type has to be compatible with the mobo. I was under the logical assumption that the GPU memory should be supported by the mobo too! If what you're saying is correct, then I've learned something new today. :) 

In which case, the 5570 should be the pick for the OP.
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August 9, 2010 11:00:09 AM

Mousemonkey said:
Graphic card RAM is not the same as and has nothing to do with motherboard RAM, a card with GDDR5 would work in his motherboard.

Thanks for clarification! Which GPU do you suggest for me according to my post?
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August 9, 2010 11:04:35 AM

How can i know which GPU supports and which didn't . Is there any compatibility list??
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August 9, 2010 11:34:57 AM

namelessonez said:
Ask away my friend.....:) 

Guess maybe coz I did a whole load of reading on ATI vs. nVidia and found a lot of people complaining about compatibility issues with ATI. But that was a long way back (I'm talking 3-4 years and I know that ATI's come a long way since then). Plus, the guys in Delhi deal mainly in nVidia. Since it's more common, I went for it. Also, nVidia has PhySx, which whatever the whole world may say, worked for me. I had an FX5200 first, then a 9400Gt (igig) and now I have the MSI Twin Frozr N250GTS (1 gig). None of them really let me down. I upgraded because times demanded so.

Again, I'm not saying ATI's a bad card......just that nVidia appealed 'more' to me.

Thanks! for your opinion. I have contacted a retailer he'll confirm the prices. Whichever card within budget with greater performance i'll select. As far HD5570 is better , i shall take 512mb its enough.
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August 9, 2010 12:44:42 PM

patil_62 said:
Oh , wow! You live in India ,thats great opportunity for me :)  In graph they are compared at resolution 1600*1200. But my resolution 1280*1024.Does it matters??
And I comapred the cards using GPU review , HD4670 is far better . Are you sure price for 512mb is below 3000Rs?when i googled it showed 4000rs and odd.
My friend told ATI cards hung up the PC often. Is it true? Any performance change not listed on comparison. How can ATI provide such high spec card for low price??



You have 1280X1024 reso, 512Mb will be enough for you.

The pages that is showing 4000INR are not updated with time,and are MRP. It will cost you lesser in real.
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August 9, 2010 3:06:06 PM

Best answer selected by patil_62.
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August 9, 2010 3:15:38 PM

Sorry, i have to select only one for best answer so its obiviously the first one who helped me "gerardb".
My Special thanks to "namelessonez" for showing interest here,and replying me when i needed.
And thanks to "raiyus13"for helping me , and thanks to kkkk1, Tamz_msc, nicks343 for giving good suggestions.
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August 9, 2010 4:47:18 PM

patil_62 said:
Sorry, i have to select only one for best answer so its obiviously the first one who helped me "gerardb".
My Special thanks to "namelessonez" for showing interest here,and replying me when i needed.
And thanks to "raiyus13"for helping me , and thanks to kkkk1, Tamz_msc, nicks343 for giving good suggestions.

Well, thanx, it was a pleasure to help.
Tom's Community is the best. :sol: 
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