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September 17, 2010 8:21:54 PM

I wanna get a new computer that will be capable of playing games and running several torrent and media applications, i dont mind buying a few upgrades a year or two down the road but i dont wanna replace the whole system in a year or so. I was looking into a company based on ebay that even does the building for you and i was gonna get an AMD phenom II x2 545 dual core with the ASrock motherboard they pair it with(prob the cheapest one with HDMI) and 8gb of ram, and 1tb harddrive, and prob an nvidia geforce gt 240 1gb ddr3
is that a good setup itll be a complete system including the case and such i think its the BCC voyager

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September 17, 2010 8:34:58 PM

What is your budget.
What games do you want to play, at what settings level (minimum, medium, high or max) and at what monitor resolution?

Why do you think you need 8GB RAM? Its very rare to need more than 4GB.
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September 18, 2010 1:23:28 AM

there is only the option to go with 4 or 8gb no 6 otherwise i would do that but like i said i would like it to last longer and more ram = more computing power so y not but i was looking to play (for now) Aion, and two worlds 2(when it comes out) on high settings dosnt need to be max and for now a crap monitor used to be a tv or a my 19 inch hdtv if i can get my sister to give it back if not then ill prob buy like a 21 or 22 inch hd lcd monitor after xmas thanks for the quick reply
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September 18, 2010 4:37:55 AM

You don't need 8GB of ram. You will never use it from ~~~2010-2012

Whats your budget????
Your parts you said are extremely terrible :) 
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September 18, 2010 6:40:20 AM

At1st glance: i am thinking for a budget rig u are hitting 8GB RAM + GT 240? Could be just the 4GB and something like a GTX 460 if possible?
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September 19, 2010 3:09:52 AM

I wan to keep it under 600 preferably 500 because i would to get it asap but is the processsor at least a good one the place i found has very good prices for a complete build and it i dropped the ram to 6gb or even 4gb i would open up about 80 bucks for upgrading other parts, video card, motherboard etc. if none of the parts i listed are good at all i can build it myself i would just prefer to have it professionally done as i have never done a build from scratch before and there is a wide variety of parts to choose from from this company
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September 19, 2010 3:33:09 AM

and could someone point me to a thread on video cards because before i thought it was all about the memory the card has but obviously im wrong seeing as the gt 240 is a 1gb and the GTX 460 is 756mb
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September 19, 2010 6:24:22 AM

In the $5xx range you could get a pretty decent gaming rig with carefully picked ut parts and combos :p 

Also over a spread of current and incoming gaming titles i wouldn't go for dual cores in agreement with
Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: August 2010
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...
Quote:
We can no longer ignore the advantage three processor cores offer in a gaming environment, so even though the lowest-priced triple-core Athlon II we can find is $70, that's our new bottom-end recommendation.
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September 19, 2010 2:23:47 PM

which webiste did you build this on and did you do something special to get the instant combo discounts
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September 19, 2010 3:41:13 PM

If you're in the US, then you can order these from Newegg.com. Just ordering the listed combo deals will get you the discounts, but you may not get the best possible parts in the bargain.

Go with the CPU Batuchka linked - Athlon II X3 445

Please change the Biostar Motherboard to Asus/Gigabyte/Asrock/MSI - ASRock 770 EXTREME3 - With USB 3.0, SATA 6GB/s, eSATA 6GB/s.

& that deformed NZXT case to the one I use - COOLER MASTER Elite 310

Much faster RAM - Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 4GB (2 x 2GB)

The rest of the parts look alright. The following changes are optional -

HDD : SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3

ODD : LG SATA DVD Burner - Bulk LightScribe Support
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September 20, 2010 1:18:26 AM

thanks for the help guys i really dont know much about computer hardware as i thought i did but is the video card company good ive never heard of them
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September 20, 2010 1:25:27 AM

and are there any other reccomendations for cases ive seen alot of cool looking raidmax ones but i know nothing of there quality
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September 20, 2010 1:32:06 AM

what about the rosewill challenger its 5 bucks more but has 3 more installed fans and also what else to i need to build a desktop i have never done it before and i dont know what else i need

What i have
motherboard
processor
ram
graphics card
power supply
case
dvd/cd drive
harddrive
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September 20, 2010 10:45:15 AM

The Rosewill challenger's a very good case for it's price. Get it if you want to. That combo looks fantastic with $25 off.

You asked 'bout Palit as a brand. They do pretty well for themselves. Personally I prefer EVGA for NVidia & Sapphire for ATI. Asus/Giga/XFX/MSI & also PowerColor/Zotac etc are not half bad.

I wouldn't worry too much 'bout a Palit, but if you're not too sure, you might as well get a - $230 EVGA GTX 460 (Fermi) 1GB - This superclocked version costs only $10 more than the stock version. So no reason not to go for it, especially since it doesn't sound like you're gonna be OC'ing your GPU any time soon :) 
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September 20, 2010 12:39:22 PM

that one is actually 240 and the palit overclocked verison is the same price and has higher core clock speeds and shader clock speeds but would it be better to get the evga just because of the brand
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September 21, 2010 12:50:39 AM

someone also recommended the AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core would this be better or worse than the triple core recommended earlier and he paired this with a
XFX HD-577A-ZNFC Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support in case i felt the need to crossfire in the future would this be comprable to the gtx 460 im exploring all options here
thanks for the help
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September 21, 2010 10:14:47 AM

$5xx-6xx configs i wouldn't settle for a HD 5770 and a pricey CF/PSU options and just stick best single frames/$$ and that means GTX 460 currently in this range
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September 21, 2010 12:06:42 PM

ok thanks
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September 21, 2010 2:41:26 PM

is the gigabyte gtx 460 comparable to the palit it would save me like and xtra 40 bucks because of combos and mail in rebates it has a higher clock speed than the palit and it has 2 fans
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September 21, 2010 3:38:16 PM

There are far too many varieties of these things. Can you link to the specific product you're referring to?
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September 22, 2010 1:26:44 AM

and what about the rosewill tu-155 it apparently used to cost 80 bucks and its 40 now the only thing that worries me is it only has one 80mm fan but its bigger and looks sick compared to the challenger
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September 22, 2010 2:02:29 PM

There are only 2 Rosewill TU-155's. The one with a PSU costs 70 & the one without it costs $50 + $10 shipping. Rosewill Cases (& PSU's, I might add) are pretty alright, so you might as well go with it if it catches your fancy.

The Gigabyte GPU does have some adverse feedback, but then every product will always have that. No matter which brand. It's also technically a shade faster. So might as well go with it especially if you can get some savings.

Do make sure, that you get an extra 4 Pin Molex to 6 Pin PCIe connector. Costs just a few bucks.

OCZ does have a few adverse reviews on it's RAM's of late. I dunno if it's just a bad bunch or if there's something more to it. Personally I think it's just people leaving the settings on auto when they should be manually inputting 'em. But still, I think going with Corsair/G.Skill/Kingston/Mushkin for now till the issues get sorted out is prolly the way to go.
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September 22, 2010 4:28:49 PM

I made the mistake of buying OCZ RAM for my last computer. They are supposed to be DDR3-1600, cas 8, 1.65V. I cant get an overclock stable that runs them more than 1300ish. I started seeing complaints about OCZ Gold, then it seems everthing since then (mine are a newer model) is getting quite alot complaints they wont run at the rated specs. Right now I have no faith in their RAM performing as they claim.
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September 23, 2010 2:31:41 PM

i am trying to get an ati card because the motherboards that support sli are very expesive and the motherboard im already getting supports crossfire so what about this card

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

would this be a good card or is the gtx 460 that much better
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September 23, 2010 4:21:47 PM

The 5770 is a perfectly good GPU option. It performs between the 460 (768MB) and 460 (1GB).
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September 23, 2010 5:45:00 PM

would u reccommend getting the ati now and just getting a 2nd card later and doin crossfire when games get slow or getting the gtx 460 now?
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September 23, 2010 5:59:05 PM

If you are using an AMD CPU and a motherboard that will crossfire x8/x8 or better, I would go 5770 so you have the upgrade path.

If you are getting a motherboard that only has one good PCIEx16 slot or an intel processor I would go GTX 460 (1GB).
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September 23, 2010 6:40:53 PM

this is the motherboard im getting
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and if i do get the 5770 will it be able to play the games i want to play for at least a year cause i dont want a new game to come out in 6 months and have my computer lag like crazy when i try to play it
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September 23, 2010 7:40:23 PM

If the 5770 cant handle a game, its not like the 460 will. They are pretty close in performance. Currently the 5770 plays any game somewhere between medium and almost max settings on a 1920x1080 monitor. Crysis it plays at medium, WoW it plays close to max.
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September 23, 2010 10:06:02 PM

ok so i will not really be gaining any performance by getting the 460 so is there any other possible drawbacks to getting the 5770 is there something that makes nvidia or ati better or more compatible or something
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September 23, 2010 11:58:36 PM

also does anyone know when ati will be realeasing new cards i heard they were going to and then the price of these cards will go down
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September 24, 2010 1:44:48 AM

As a brand, I'll say look at Sapphire > XFX > MSI. Also for all practical purposes, the specs of those 3 are almost identical.

In any case I personally prefer Sapphire for ATI (Now about to be re-branded AMD) and EVGA for Nvidia ideally along with Asus.

Btw, the AMD 6xxx series is supposed to be released late October according to fudzilla.com
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September 24, 2010 2:24:17 AM

thanks thats kinda weird that amd would change the ati name i would think they would just buy them and anyway that clears things up ill get the sahpire recommended one and hopefully the prices will go down by the time i decide to buy my setup
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September 24, 2010 2:29:22 AM

and that article you linked stated that tesselation is the only thing nvidia has over radeon does that make a big difference
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September 24, 2010 3:23:10 PM

Right now there are not that many "DX11" games. Many of the ones that do claim "DX11" are only upgrading their shading from DX10 to DX11 and have not implemented tesselation to replace texturing. I dont think its an issue.
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September 24, 2010 3:32:38 PM

To be perfectly honest, tessellation reminds me of high school mathematics. It occurs when a shape is repeated over and over again, covering a plane without any gaps or overlaps.

"A tessellation or tiling of the plane is a collection of plane figures that fills the plane with no overlaps and no gaps." - Wikipedia

That same principle, when applied to computerized graphics processing, gives you better geometry and realism thereby improving gaming experience.

I googled it up in the context of PC Graphics and this is what I found - This article explains it pretty well, I think - DirectX 11 Tessellation
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September 24, 2010 3:50:54 PM

calguyhunk said:

I googled it up in the context of PC Graphics and this is what I found - This article explains it pretty well, I think - DirectX 11 Tessellation

The result is the GeForce GTX 400 family of GPUs—a true breakthrough in geometric realism said:
The result is the GeForce GTX 400 family of GPUs—a true breakthrough in geometric realism
I wonder who wrote that article. Couldnt be an Nvidia marketer, could it? :sarcastic: 
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September 24, 2010 5:40:44 PM

so is the tesselation worth it or sould i just stick with the hd 5770
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September 24, 2010 7:38:42 PM

5770 also does tesselation, Nvidia's implementation is just better. Its not a huge deal.
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September 24, 2010 8:18:38 PM

alright thanks
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September 25, 2010 12:55:50 AM

The result is the GeForce GTX 400 family of GPUs—a true breakthrough in geometric realism said:
The result is the GeForce GTX 400 family of GPUs—a true breakthrough in geometric realism
dndhatcher said:
I wonder who wrote that article. Couldnt be an Nvidia marketer, could it? :sarcastic: 
LAWL. I wonder as well! :whistle: 

In all seriousness though, I actually thought that NVidia article explained the phenomenon better in regular layman terms without getting caught up in incomprehensible jargon unlike some of the other sites I came across

@ ocsurfz

The 5770 is all the card you'll ever need even at 1080p IMO. Sure, if you can afford the extra 80 bucks, the 460 is gonna be awesome. But if you don't wanna go that high-end, stick to the 5770. You can do a lot worse than that.
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September 25, 2010 5:18:10 AM

aight cool thanks also ive read some reviews about therosewill challenger and they have said that it may be hard to fit alot od parts into as it is a smaller case and that corsair power supplies will be hard to use because of stiff cables so im trying to find a different case with more space but an almost equal cooling system or reccommendations for add on fans thanks
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September 25, 2010 6:19:53 AM

I build a very new games. It looks very attractive and too amazing. There are three different levels with attractive backgrounds with very nice sky animations, I done so much hard work to create it.
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September 25, 2010 6:41:11 AM

Stay away from OCZ, they aren't very reliable nowadays. The 460 definitely out performs the 5770, but the 5770 is great for a budget build. That mobo you chose can't xfire seeing as it only has one pcie 2.0 slots.

corsair is the top of the line when it comes to power supplies, so have no doubt in them.
You shouldn't have any problem with a challenger. The only real problem anybody faces is room for the CPU heatsink and fitting the GFX card in. The 5770 and 460 aren't all that huge, and the stock HS of the athlon x3 should be able to fit.
Also about the CPU. Don't go for a x4 because it's just an unlocked x3. It saves money and you could always try to unlock it later. If you're successful it's a free core, if not you still have a great CPU.
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September 25, 2010 3:48:40 PM

but you cant always unlock a 4th core and i just want the computer to last as long as possible also i changed the mobo to the arock 870 extreme instead of the 770 as it can crossifre as well i just read of couple reviews that said since some power supplies have very stiff cable corsair being the example they were hard to fit in to the drive bays because of the side mount or something also i just really wanted a case with a clear side panel but i dont want an all plastic case something like the cooler master reccommended earlier in the thread but somehting that looks a little better on the front side if the challenger had a clear side panel it would be perfect but ive also read some reviews about it being a little smaller than other cases and are raidmax cases good ive seen alot of those i like
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September 25, 2010 4:44:17 PM

Raidmax cases are indeed very good. Choose 1 that fits your budget & catches your fancy - RaidMax Cases

You really wont need any extra case fans. The ones that come with your case should be good enough for your set-up.

But if you insist, you can choose something from Scythe. Get a 120/140 odd mm fan with lowish RPM's and highish CFM's ideally for a quite set-up (below 20 dba preferably)

I really think you're over-complicating matters by thinking too much. The more you ponder, the more confused you're likely to be. I'm speaking from experience. We've all been there. I remember my first build when I really froze every-time I set my mind on something. I tossed and turned every night and changed my mind every morning till I just decided to pull the damn trigger - come what may :) 

So here it goes - Get the stuff you really want. If somehow something ends up not working (slim chance), you can always exchange it by paying a small re-stocking fee at worst. That's the worst case scenario. But really, the stuff we've discussed over all these days should just work out-of-the-box. Just get crackin' already. Good Luck :) 
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