Many errors on Memtest86+ AND BSOD

Hello, i have recently built my new pc, and i have had 2 problems with the ram so far.

First time was 1 week ago or so, the same day i built and installed windows 7 and everything i got this image.



and i got this same image I THINK, yesterday but it was late at night and my mum called me and asked me and i was too tiered to read it properly but i thing its the same. Or believe so...


So that was 2 BSOD's.


Also because of that yesterday i was told to use memtest86, so i downloaded the memtest86+ version, dont know why... and i run that.

Here are some images.









After pass3 i just thought, no point running any longer, shows how bad this ram is doesnt it...

Anyways should i return it?

Also if i do return it, should i ask for a replacement, or ask for a refund and buy this instead?
http://www.ebuyer.com/229102-kings [...] 066d3n7-4g

because that one will have faster delivery.

thank you Not too sure what to do, im using this pc right now, its running fine, just randomly did that BSOD twice...

Can you list your system specs? It could be that your RAM is not compatible with your motherboard but it's hard to say without know what kind of motherboard.

How many sticks of RAM do you have installed?

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI [...] K:MEWNX:IT

i cant find the make of the ram, but i got it from here...

I have 2x2gb ddr3 1333mhz ram
MSI 870A-g54 mobo AM3+ mobo
phenom 955 3.2 ghz x4 ii
Corsair cx 430 v2 builders series
500gb samsung spinpoint f3 hdd
AMD Radeon 6770 1gb GDDR5

no, i ran it for 3 hours, and no BSOD, i only got BSOD about memory management twice...

i didnt realise it was unbranded or anything. So i need an answer, should i return my ram and ask for a refund, and buy something else?

how do i upgrade bios?
do i need to flash

AMD is very particular with its' RAM and ALL of those errors are NOT #7 only CPU's IMC {CPU is good} and which tells me the RAM or at least 1 stick is indeed 'BAD' assuming (2) things: 1. They are properly seated in the CORRECT DIMM {Blue} slots, 2. The BIOS is set to DEFAULT Values.

BIOS as long as you have 17.4 or higher your CPU is supported.

Use 'M-Flash' you will need a USB 2.0 FAT-32 formatted Flash Drive.
Download the BIOS -> http://us.msi.com/product/mb/870A-G54.html#/?div=BIOS

How to videos:
Official How to by MSI -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxp [...] re=related
Example -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ws0deuHL4

Yep, after the BIOS update re-run Memtest. However, I have my doubts it will change the results, but I hope they do

I assume you meant 17.1 there's no 17.10 and the latest is 17.D; the progression is 17.9->17.A->17.D

------------ Confirmation of CPU + BIOS Version: ------------

CPU "phenom 955 3.2 ghz x4 ii" ; 7599vH4.zip = Version 17.4

Description - Support AMD 6 core CPU.
- Improved memory compatibility.
Version 17.4
Type AMI BIOS Release Date 2010-05-17
Download 7599vH4.zip File Size 0.81 MB

Phenom II X4 Deneb HDX955FBK4DGI x955 200 3.20 2M 6M C2 125 7599vH4.zip
Phenom II X4 Deneb HDX955FBK4DGM x955 200 3.20 2M 6M C3 125 7599vH4.zip
Phenom II X4 Deneb HDX955WFK4DGM x955 200 3.20 2M 6M C3 95 7599vH4.zip
Phenom II X4 Deneb HDZ955FBK4DGI 955 200 3.20 2M 6M C2 125 7599vH4.zip
Phenom II X4 Deneb HDZ955FBK4DGM z955 200 3.20 2M 6M C3 125 7599vH4.zip

1. Nothing's 100% guaranteed safe; 'M-Flash' is the safest way for your MOBO to flash its BIOS. IF your MOBO is under warranty then the worst is a bricked MOBO and you'll need to RMA to the reseller {30 days} or MSI per warranty. Further, ONLY flash the BIOS IF it's totally stable in the BIOS screens.

IF the BIOS FAILS see 'BIOS Recovery Feature' at bottom of page -> http://be.msi.com/service/bios-note/

2. Yep & Yep - G.SKILL, Corsair, Kingston are very reputable and double-check for 'Lifetime' warranties.

edit: See the Test Report {QVL} which has a list of Certified RAM for your MOBO -> http://us.msi.com/product/mb/870A- [...] TestReport

Stable -> Boot into the BIOS and leave it there for 30 minutes if it stays on you're good, and since you can run Memtest that would indicate it's stable.

Current RAM = Kingston 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model KVR1066D3N7/4G

RAM QVL Listed:
64-bit OS F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL - http://www.ebuyer.com/240498-g-ski [...] cl9d-8gbrl
32-bit OS KVR1333D3N9K2/4G - http://www.ebuyer.com/158711-kings [...] 3d3n9k2-4g

Kits I know to work:
32-bit OS F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL http://www.ebuyer.com/240501-g-ski [...] cl9d-4gbrl
64-bit OS F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL http://www.ebuyer.com/240498-g-ski [...] cl9d-8gbrl

Flash Drive -> http://maketecheasier.com/boot-and [...] 2009/01/23

hello, i got a reply from my seller

Here we are sending email from our tech person with some solutions. The suggestions are as per our experience in smiliar situation. So please do not misunderstand us. All we are trying to help you in this situation.
At first glance, I thought that memory was just bad and regular exchange would work. But after reading one post online, I contacted manufacturer support.

This is unique scenario for you. You do need LOW density memory module for MSI 870a-g54 AM3+, but your System manufacturer is picky. What they need is not same spec as we have advertised. Their requirement is slightly different and there is cost difference.

We do offer the upgrade as option - if you wish, and there is no
additional profit. You only pay for cost difference.

You had purchased Qty 1 & paid $32.73 for 4GB 2 X 2GB DDR3 1333 PC3 10600 1333MHz DESKTOP 4 GB Go



These are three Options for you

Option 1: Refund.

Option 2: Upgrade

UPGRADE to MAJOR manufacturer as specifically recommended by Manufacturer. Price difference is high but then you know it is what you have been asked by manufacturer to have. Cost difference is $27.78 for 2x2gb

Option 3: Replacement:- We will replace your non working sticks with NEW memory.


can you guys help me choose a good ram that will work with my mobo?

wait i dont get it... what does any of that mean?

You know i havnt updated bios yet.

Ok i have a few questions. Should i update bios, is it NEEDED for solve this problem.

What do you mean bios update required for CPUID?
What do you mean BIOS SPD is reading it as 1333mhz?
The link to my ram? It says the ram is Memory Speed: 1333Mhz PC10600 which is 1333mhz... where did you get 1066 from?
BTW my ram is generic, i asked the seller that question and he said that the ram isnt kingston or corsair, its generic...

where did you get 1066 from? its pc3 10600 but the speed is 1333mhz...

so what should i do?

the ram i have is the ebay one. The latter ram, the ebuyer one was the one i was proposing to buy. But i dont think i will buy that.

Anyways do what? what should i do?

im still really confused in what to do. You should know im a noob in this stuff. First of all i thought i already said that it was the ebay one, not the 1333 mhz one, so why are you saying that the link is 1066?

you say that those instructions are for if i have a 1066mhz ram... i have 1333 mhz ram...

shoudl i still do what you say... i dont even get how to do what you are saying...

also i checked those pictures out, they all say setting: 666mhz ram...

??? im really confused...

hello i have a question.

I am going to upadte the bios but is there any difference in flashing bios or doing it via windows?

http://us.msi.com/service/Live-Update-5-Manual/

here, scroll to the bottom

BTW i keep getting an error when i try to download my bios through live update. IT says download fail, but thing is i have windows 7 64 bit, and the bios that the msi give is i think for 32 bit as it doesnt launch on my pc....

Ok, i will do it in usb mode. Quick question, i know theres alot of questions but i really dont want my mobo to brick..

Anyways you were saying before that i have to make my usb into a bootable drive right? And then that video by msi shows you how you drag the files into your bootable drive yes?

Well, will "in dos mode (USB)" do exactly the same thing? Just format a 1gb (is 1gb enough?) pendrive to fat 32, full format that is, then choose that usb stick?

But thing is you say to go into Mflash right?
But that guide just says

After restart, please set the computer to boot from USB. When the computer restarts from USB, please follow the instruction to update BIOS.

doesnt say anything about Mflash? So any difference?

seriously a BIOS upgrade isn't that hard, use google to find insctructions or as jaquith has kindly done for you use the guide hes linked.

This image suggests a pooched BIOS in other words the BIOS is quasi working but corrupted -> http://i901.photobucket.com/albums [...] 163024.jpg ; if a Clear CMOS {Jumper Method} fails to correct the problem then IMO RE-Flash the BIOS. Also, IMO return the RAM for a good quality matched set from a reputable company: G.SKILL, Corsair, Kingston, Mushkin, or Crucial.

As far as the other images, other than the Command Rate {1T/2T Memory Timing -> 2T} it all looks correct for 'SPD' RAM defaults, at DDR3 1333 MHz 1T or 2T isn't going to cause tons of Memory errors.

Here's a regime to follow for memory errors:
1. Clear CMOS ; Failure -> next
2. Update BIOS ; Failure -> next
3. HSF - if the HSF is aftermarket and there's any metal to MOBO install plastic washers so that the HSF doesn't cause a short ; Stock HSF or Failure -> next
4. Boot with only (1) stick of RAM at a time and swap sticks ; Failure -> next
5. Standoff / I/O shorting - unscrew both the MOBO & PCIe screws, pull the MOBO out so that it dangles but is supported bay a towel away from anything conductive ; Failure -> RMA {exchange} RAM.
6. Downclock the RAM to DDR3 1333 or DDR 1066 speeds this typically suggests incompatible RAM and/or CPU incompatible to RAM speeds. Solution increase FSB {240} or BCLK {160} MHz and some MOBO's offer 'DOCP' to accommodate RAM speeds ; Failure -> Replace RAM with Compatible or otherwise QVL listed RAM. Failure again -> Next
7. RMA RAM + Failure -> RMA the MOBO.

F2 and yes IMO return the RAM. Idea - if you purchase the RAM locally bring your PC over to them and ask that they both install and check the RAM - they might check it for free.

If you look in your manual the CMOS and procedure will be explained, the Jumper is used to clear the CMOS and often corrects 'corruptions.'

IF the new RAM doesn't correct the pr

@pkhamidar2com : Return the RAM for a full refund. Don't buy anything from this vendor again. Buy memory from a computer shop near you or from reputable online etailers like newegg. Buy kingston, corsair, gskill RAM. Don't buy generics.

http://i901.photobucket.com/albums [...] 115522.jpg

here is the picture of the manual. So i assume i want to clear the manuel. But i dont get what the jumper is...

I also know from this picture
http://blog.thepcmechanic.org/wp-c [...] 8/cmos.jpg

that the cmos jumper is that little yellow thing.

Ok so what ive gathered is that the yellow thing short cuts the mobo or something?

So my question is, is the cmos jumper usually set to "keep data" and then do i just move it to "clear data" then turn it on, go into bios or something, then what? Do i turn it off and go back to keep data?

Does clearing data remove all bios versions and formats the bios or something?

what do i do?

what does JBAT1 mean? Can you tell me what to do?

I know the cmos is that silver round battery in the mobo.

So your saying i can keep the ram, and it is fine? Anyhow i will probably return this ram.

I was thinking this ram, it looks good.

http://www.msi.com/file/test_report/TR10_2057.pdf

from that list

http://www.ebuyer.com/179755-kings [...] 333d3n9-4g

as that was on the list, would that be ok?

http://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B002D11 [...] B002D11C6U

or that one too, that was also on the list.

I cant spend a load of money on new ram, but those are good prices. What do you think?

The 'jumper' opens/closes a circuit like a switch. Read the manual and temporarily change the jumper position as described in the manual. You pull-out the jumper and push-into position. JBAT is the jumper to turn on/off the battery to the CMOS {BIOS settings memory}, by moving it it looses power and the CMOS is cleared.

IMO if the Clear CMOS fails and (1) stick fails -> try the other (1) stick then you probably need to bring the PC in for service. I outlined 1-7 above to problem solve, and if you're uncomfortable doing those items then I'm not recommending that your do any of them.

edit: you'll know the CMOS has been cleared if the BIOS Date & Time needs to be set. Also, the PSU carries residual power so often pulling the CMOS battery doesn't properly clear the CMOS - hence the 'Jumper Method.' Remember to set the Date &Time in the BIOS.

For starters run Memtest again. If it runs without errors for 4-passes or 1~2 hours then you're good.

RAM - see the {Stable -> Boot into the BIOS} post above.

The Kingston KVR1333D3N9/4G is NOT in a kit so adding 'more' for Dual Channel later can present itself as a problem. More info -> http://www.ec.kingston.com/ecom/co [...] 333D3N9/4G

The Corsair should be fine. How about Memtest and BSOD's?

ok before i tell you the results. I dont know whether the bios worked or not as when i turn the pc on, when there SHOULD be that screen with the colour showing MSI and the "gamer series" stuff, it doesnt show that, it jus thsows the black screen saying "mouse, keyboard, stat drive etc..."...

so yeah, thats weird.. the boot image is gone.

ok
hopefully its just the ram. I hope its not a mobo problem

BTW what about the boot image, is it ok if there is no boot image?