Many errors on Memtest86+ AND BSOD

[pkhamidar2com]

Hello, i have recently built my new pc, and i have had 2 problems with the ram so far.

First time was 1 week ago or so, the same day i built and installed windows 7 and everything i got this image.

and i got this same image I THINK, yesterday but it was late at night and my mum called me and asked me and i was too tiered to read it properly but i thing its the same. Or believe so...


So that was 2 BSOD's.


Also because of that yesterday i was told to use memtest86, so i downloaded the memtest86+ version, dont know why... and i run that.

Here are some images.

After pass3 i just thought, no point running any longer, shows how bad this ram is doesnt it...

Anyways should i return it?

Also if i do return it, should i ask for a replacement, or ask for a refund and buy this instead?
http://www.ebuyer.com/229102-kingston-4gb-ddr3-1066mhz-memory-non-ecc-cl7-1-5v-kvr1066d3n7-4g

because that one will have faster delivery.

thank you Not too sure what to do, im using this pc right now, its running fine, just randomly did that BSOD twice...

 

[Engima]

Can you list your system specs? It could be that your RAM is not compatible with your motherboard but it's hard to say without know what kind of motherboard.

 

[pkhamidar2com]

I have ddr3 1333mhz ram
MSI 870A-g54 mobo AM3+ mobo
phenom 955 3.2 ghz x4 ii
Corsair cx 430 v2 builders series
500gb samsung spinpoint f3 hdd
AMD Radeon 6770 1gb GDDR5

 

[Engima]

How many sticks of RAM do you have installed?

 

[pkhamidar2com]

2 sticks of ddr3 2x2gb

 

[pkhamidar2com]

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290507905751&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

i cant find the make of the ram, but i got it from here...

I have 2x2gb ddr3 1333mhz ram
MSI 870A-g54 mobo AM3+ mobo
phenom 955 3.2 ghz x4 ii
Corsair cx 430 v2 builders series
500gb samsung spinpoint f3 hdd
AMD Radeon 6770 1gb GDDR5

 

[Engima]

Personally I wouldn't buy unbranded RAM since there's no guarantee about its quality which may be what it is in this case. For the price you paid I would recommend getting some Ripjaws.

If you ran MemTest86 right now, would you still get BSOD's?

 

[pkhamidar2com]

no, i ran it for 3 hours, and no BSOD, i only got BSOD about memory management twice...

i didnt realise it was unbranded or anything. So i need an answer, should i return my ram and ask for a refund, and buy something else?

 

[pkhamidar2com]

how do i upgrade bios?
do i need to flash

 

[pkhamidar2com]

CAN SOMEONE TELL ME IF I SHOULD REPLACE MY RAM OR NOT?

 

[jaquith]

AMD is very particular with its' RAM and ALL of those errors are NOT #7 only CPU's IMC {CPU is good} and which tells me the RAM or at least 1 stick is indeed 'BAD' assuming (2) things: 1. They are properly seated in the CORRECT DIMM {Blue} slots, 2. The BIOS is set to DEFAULT Values.

BIOS as long as you have 17.4 or higher your CPU is supported.

 

[pkhamidar2com]

i have V17.10... so i guess i need to update. How do i update my bios?

oh and should i do another MEMTEST86+ test after updating bios?

 

[jaquith]

Use 'M-Flash' you will need a USB 2.0 FAT-32 formatted Flash Drive.
Download the BIOS -> http://us.msi.com/product/mb/870A-G54.html#/?div=BIOS

How to videos:
Official How to by MSI -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gxpE1N4xB4s&feature=related
Example -> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7ws0deuHL4

Yep, after the BIOS update re-run Memtest. However, I have my doubts it will change the results, but I hope they do

i have V17.10...

I assume you meant 17.1 there's no 17.10 and the latest is 17.D; the progression is 17.9->17.A->17.D

------------ Confirmation of CPU + BIOS Version: ------------

CPU "phenom 955 3.2 ghz x4 ii" ; 7599vH4.zip = Version 17.4

Description - Support AMD 6 core CPU.
- Improved memory compatibility.
Version 17.4
Type AMI BIOS Release Date 2010-05-17
Download 7599vH4.zip File Size 0.81 MB

Phenom II X4 Deneb HDX955FBK4DGI x955 200 3.20 2M 6M C2 125 7599vH4.zip
Phenom II X4 Deneb HDX955FBK4DGM x955 200 3.20 2M 6M C3 125 7599vH4.zip
Phenom II X4 Deneb HDX955WFK4DGM x955 200 3.20 2M 6M C3 95 7599vH4.zip
Phenom II X4 Deneb HDZ955FBK4DGI 955 200 3.20 2M 6M C2 125 7599vH4.zip
Phenom II X4 Deneb HDZ955FBK4DGM z955 200 3.20 2M 6M C3 125 7599vH4.zip

 

[pkhamidar2com]

thank you jaquith, i have a few questions though

1) Is it safe to flash, it was saying that its dangerouse or something... im worried it might screw up my pc

2) If the results of memtest after updating bios are still bad, should i return my ram? If so should i buy from a better company and buy a kingston branded or corrsair branded ram or something?

thanks.

 

[jaquith]

1. Nothing's 100% guaranteed safe; 'M-Flash' is the safest way for your MOBO to flash its BIOS. IF your MOBO is under warranty then the worst is a bricked MOBO and you'll need to RMA to the reseller {30 days} or MSI per warranty. Further, ONLY flash the BIOS IF it's totally stable in the BIOS screens.

IF the BIOS FAILS see 'BIOS Recovery Feature' at bottom of page -> http://be.msi.com/service/bios-note/

2. Yep & Yep - G.SKILL, Corsair, Kingston are very reputable and double-check for 'Lifetime' warranties.

edit: See the Test Report {QVL} which has a list of Certified RAM for your MOBO -> http://us.msi.com/product/mb/870A-G54.html#?div=TestReport

 

[pkhamidar2com]

How do i know if its stable? BTW the one i bought also has lifetime warranty.

anyways yes will try that bios upgrade.

also you know that list of compatible ram. Is that only those types of ram will work? or will ram outside of that list work?

also how do i make it bootbale, my flash drive?

 

[jaquith]

Stable -> Boot into the BIOS and leave it there for 30 minutes if it stays on you're good, and since you can run Memtest that would indicate it's stable.

Current RAM = Kingston 4GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Desktop Memory Model KVR1066D3N7/4G

RAM QVL Listed:
64-bit OS F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL - http://www.ebuyer.com/240498-g-skill-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1333mhz-ripjaws-memory-kit-cl9-9-9-9-24-1-5v-f3-10666cl9d-8gbrl
32-bit OS KVR1333D3N9K2/4G - http://www.ebuyer.com/158711-kingston-4gb-2x2gb-ddr3-1333mhz-i5-memory-kit-cl9-1-5v-kvr1333d3n9k2-4g

Kits I know to work:
32-bit OS F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL http://www.ebuyer.com/240501-g-skill-4gb-2x2gb-ddr3-1600mhz-ripjaws-memory-kit-cl9-9-9-9-24-1-5v-f3-12800cl9d-4gbrl
64-bit OS F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL http://www.ebuyer.com/240498-g-skill-8gb-2x4gb-ddr3-1333mhz-ripjaws-memory-kit-cl9-9-9-9-24-1-5v-f3-10666cl9d-8gbrl

Flash Drive -> http://maketecheasier.com/boot-and-install-windows-7-from-usb-flash-drive/2009/01/23

 

[jaquith]

Also, I assume IF using a Single DIMM (1 stick) that it is installed in the left-most Blue DIMM slot....

 

[pkhamidar2com]

hello, i got a reply from my seller

Here we are sending email from our tech person with some solutions. The suggestions are as per our experience in smiliar situation. So please do not misunderstand us. All we are trying to help you in this situation.
At first glance, I thought that memory was just bad and regular exchange would work. But after reading one post online, I contacted manufacturer support.

This is unique scenario for you. You do need LOW density memory module for MSI 870a-g54 AM3+, but your System manufacturer is picky. What they need is not same spec as we have advertised. Their requirement is slightly different and there is cost difference.

We do offer the upgrade as option - if you wish, and there is no
additional profit. You only pay for cost difference.

You had purchased Qty 1 & paid $32.73 for 4GB 2 X 2GB DDR3 1333 PC3 10600 1333MHz DESKTOP 4 GB Go



These are three Options for you

Option 1: Refund.

Option 2: Upgrade

UPGRADE to MAJOR manufacturer as specifically recommended by Manufacturer. Price difference is high but then you know it is what you have been asked by manufacturer to have. Cost difference is $27.78 for 2x2gb

Option 3: Replacement:- We will replace your non working sticks with NEW memory.


can you guys help me choose a good ram that will work with my mobo?

 

[jaquith]

It seems like you had (2) problems:
1. BIOS required update for CPUID
2. BIOS 'SPD' is improperly reading the RAM as 1333 MHz

I just noticed the problem above in the Memtest screen - you are running DDR3 1333 MHz but the link to your RAM is DDR3 1066.

RAM info 1066 MHz 7-7-7 -> http://www.valueram.com/datasheets/KVR1066D3N7_4G.pdf

Assuming DDR3 1066 & BIOS:
FSB/DRAM Ratio -> {5.33:1 1066/200 or 2.67:1 533/200}
* So so that the: Adjust DRAM Frequency = 1066MHz

DRAM Timing Mode /Enter
* Set timings 7-7-7 (CAS-TRCD-TRP)

Good Luck!

 

[pkhamidar2com]

wait i dont get it... what does any of that mean?

You know i havnt updated bios yet.

Ok i have a few questions. Should i update bios, is it NEEDED for solve this problem.

What do you mean bios update required for CPUID?
What do you mean BIOS SPD is reading it as 1333mhz?
The link to my ram? It says the ram is Memory Speed: 1333Mhz PC10600 which is 1333mhz... where did you get 1066 from?
BTW my ram is generic, i asked the seller that question and he said that the ram isnt kingston or corsair, its generic...

where did you get 1066 from? its pc3 10600 but the speed is 1333mhz...

so what should i do?

 

[jaquith]

Look at your images you posted above, besides the BSOD, and note RAM 666 MHz (DDR3 1333) - problem your RAM is Rated for 533 MHz (DDR3 1066).

The RAM YOU linked is 1066 MHz -> http://www.ebuyer.com/229102-kingston-4gb-ddr3-1066mhz-memory-non-ecc-cl7-1-5v-kvr1066d3n7-4g
Later the RAM YOU linked is 1333 MHz -> http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290507905751&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&clk_rvr_id=255167085996
Which is it? Is it MIXED 1333 & 1066? - Explain?

Just do what I posted above and let me know.

 

[pkhamidar2com]

the ram i have is the ebay one. The latter ram, the ebuyer one was the one i was proposing to buy. But i dont think i will buy that.

Anyways do what? what should i do?

 

[jaquith]

First, the CPUID is the information the BIOS requires to properly run a CPU, if it lacks the CPUID {BIOS} it dummies-down the CPU AND you get all sorts of 'oddball' problems including BSDO, Post Failures, galore errors...

Let's assume it's typical but cheap DDR3 1333 RAM with CAS 9-9-9-24 @1.50v

1. BIOS required update for CPUID
2. BIOS 'SPD' is improperly reading the RAM as 1333 MHz

I just noticed the problem above in the Memtest screen - you are running DDR3 1333 MHz but the link to your RAM is DDR3 1066.

RAM info UNKNOWN; See CPU-z 'SPD' tab to verify CAS Timings for JEDEC 667 MHz -> http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

Assuming DDR3 1333 MHz & BIOS:
FSB/DRAM Ratio -> {6.67:1 1333/200 or 3.33:1 667/200}
* So so that the: Adjust DRAM Frequency = 1333MHz

DRAM Timing Mode /Enter
* Set timings 9-9-9-24 (CAS-TRCD-TRP-TRAS)

 

[pkhamidar2com]

im still really confused in what to do. You should know im a noob in this stuff. First of all i thought i already said that it was the ebay one, not the 1333 mhz one, so why are you saying that the link is 1066?

you say that those instructions are for if i have a 1066mhz ram... i have 1333 mhz ram...

shoudl i still do what you say... i dont even get how to do what you are saying...

also i checked those pictures out, they all say setting: 666mhz ram...

??? im really confused...