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September 19, 2010 1:45:40 AM

So after only getting 1500 on the ffxiv benchmark with my old build, i started to upgrade my parts, today i got a phenom 965, x4 at 3.4ghz without overclocking, but because of the new AM3 board i downgraded from a 4gb ddr2 to 2 gb ddr2, GPU remained the same at Nvidia 9600 gso. I ran the benchmark again and got 1522.

what should i upgrade next to maximize the effort? GPU or RAM? Im looking at a radeon 5750 or 5770 for GPU. Due to the limited budget for now i can either upgrade the RAM to 4gb or the GPU, so my question is if i upgrade the GPU will i get a higher score (aiming around 2500) or will the ram bottleneck the system? Im trying to wait on a deal for 6 gb ram as the current ones on the market are over my budget (6 gb at under $100 realistic?)

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September 19, 2010 1:50:45 AM

you only need 4 GB, so get the extra 2 GB RAM, and get a HD 5770 or GTX 450
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September 19, 2010 2:22:25 AM

i got 2500ish on a 3.1ghz unlocked 445 to x4 phenom with a 5770. just ran it again with my overclocked settings out of curiosity and got 2782 at 3.5ghz and 5770 at 950/1290mhz. there were a few spikes on the graph but it still looked flawless in my eyes with a few almost unnoticeable stutters. the gpu will help alot more right now over that 9600gso but ram asap after. your running a amd you dont want triple channel ram. is what you have now 1x 2gb stick or 2x 1gb sticks? if its 2x2gb and you can fit 4 on your board just grab a 2gb kit for 40-50$ if you can get matching specs or better yet matching models. not really any point in dumping 100$ into ddr2 ram at this point. you would be better off upgrading your board and going to dd3
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September 19, 2010 4:54:29 PM

thanks for the replies guys, I am currently using 2 1gb sticks, should i try to find another 2 of the same stick (4 DIMM slots) or buy 2 2gb sticks? would the results differ? (such as 4x1gb less stable than 2x2gb)

Also wouldn't gtx 450 be a lot pricier than a HD 5770 or 5750?

sorry i made a typo earlier, im running 2gb ddr3 now after giving out my 4gb ddr2 to my dad's htpc.
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September 19, 2010 5:26:47 PM

ahh in that case find a 4 gig kit and just use that around 70-80$ sell the 2 1gb online for 25 or 30 bucks whatever you can get to cover a little of the cost. would be better off with just the 2x2gb then 2x2gb+2x1gb better not to mix. what mobo do you have


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September 19, 2010 6:20:55 PM

kick53rv3 said:
thanks for the replies guys, I am currently using 2 1gb sticks, should i try to find another 2 of the same stick (4 DIMM slots) or buy 2 2gb sticks? would the results differ? (such as 4x1gb less stable than 2x2gb)

Also wouldn't gtx 450 be a lot pricier than a HD 5770 or 5750?

sorry i made a typo earlier, im running 2gb ddr3 now after giving out my 4gb ddr2 to my dad's htpc.



you'd do fine with a second pair of 2x1 GB, as long as its the same speed and timing as your first pair.

The GTX 450 runs about $129. a 5770 runs about $135, and a GTX 460 768MB model about $179, the 1 GB model runs about $219
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September 19, 2010 7:54:13 PM

skervy, I was planning either get 2x2gb or 2x1gb+the current 2x1gb (i'll get the identical ones as the ones i have), i wasn't planning on using 2x2gb on top of the 2x1gb, im running a msi 785gm-p45 board that was free with the CPU purchase

screwysqrl, i heard there are minor disadvantages to using nvidia as oppose to radeon on AMDs, would that be significant enough to put 5770 much ahead of GTX 450? if not i'll just wait for the first one of the 2 to go on sale
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September 19, 2010 8:22:21 PM

the 5770 is generally ahead of the 450 in everything. the main disadvantage of NVidia vs AMD GPUs is that nvidia boards for multiple GPUs are a generation behind AMD multi-GPU boards

for single cards, there is no disadvantage

basically, I'd rank the mid-range ($110-275) cards this way:

HD5750
GTS450
HD5770
HD5830
GTX 460 768 MB
GTX 460 1GB
HD5850

but the gtx 460 is so close to the 5850 in performance the 5850 is probly not worth the extra money.
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September 20, 2010 6:01:55 AM

thanks for the helps, ended up going to frys today, got another 2x1gb ram to add to a total of 4 gb now, picked up gtx 460 1gb and an extra case fan, everything runs fine but the pc sounds like a jet engine! :)  would adding a Coolmaster h212 plus make it quieter? or is it the gtx's fan making the noise?
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September 20, 2010 7:10:53 AM

its the video card or your new case fan if its a good one. i dont know how nvidias work but i would assume its similar to ati and you can adjust the fan speed. the mobo should allow you to adjust the case fan to unless you have it connected straight to the psu
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September 20, 2010 7:40:17 AM

skervy said:
its the video card or your new case fan if its a good one. i dont know how nvidias work but i would assume its similar to ati and you can adjust the fan speed. the mobo should allow you to adjust the case fan to unless you have it connected straight to the psu


i opened the case up and noticed it is the 965's stock cooler making the sound, using speedfan i see it running at around 6500 RPM while idle, keeping the cpu at around 50 degrees C... is that normal? I don't plan on overclocking since it'll run the game fine, plus i don't want to go through the trouble of taking out the mobo to install the cooler... So im thinking about dropping the fan speed with speedfan to around 70% but not sure if thats safe to not burn my cpu?
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September 20, 2010 5:15:19 PM

under 50 on load is nice but i dont see how a stock cpu fan could be louder then the video card or case fans unless somethings wrong with it or the other fans are running very slow. raising the fan speed on my 5770 i can notice the increase over my whole system with 4 case fans
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September 21, 2010 7:28:40 AM

yeah i played it around more today (well just enabled amd's cool and quiet thing in bios and used auto fan speed in speedfan) the stock cooler isn't going as loud all the time anymore, thanks for helping me with the past couple of issues, i think i'll stick with the current setup for a while as it should run ffxiv very smoothly but if i want to add in a replacement for the stock cooler on the cpu, how much trouble would it be? do i have to take out the mobo no matter which ones i choose?
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September 27, 2010 5:12:31 AM

Best answer selected by kick53rv3.
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September 27, 2010 11:02:15 AM

you dont HAVE to take out the mobo but its very helpful. the coolers you can use depends on your case and mobo space. do a little research to make sure theres enough room that it wont hit the top of your case or block your ram slots which are the basic common problems ive read about
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