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September 20, 2010 9:03:47 PM

So I'm really stuck I cant decide between Ati hd 5850 or a nvidia gtx 460. I plan to xfire or sli but i need a new motherboard in the future when I find the one card isn't cutting. That being said i also need a new case and psu to go with em any suggestions on the topic? Give me your opinions I have all the time in the world to decide lol.

Current hardware:Athlon II X4 635 @ 2.9ghz 6gb ram amd 785g mobo
September 20, 2010 9:51:56 PM

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September 20, 2010 10:30:21 PM

I'm a big fan of the gtx460s, being that I bought a MSI 1gb cyclone myself. In my opinion, the GTX460s are the best card in the $180-300 price range. They run cool, quiet, consume less power, are VERY easily overclocked. OC'd 460s can reach/exceed the same power of a stock 5850, at nearly half the price (I got the 1gb with MIR for $205).

As far as PSUs, if you want to crossfire or SLI, you'll need something around 600-700W, obviously more is better, to a certain degree, and provides your system with stability. If you cut it too close, you can be greeted with BSODs or general shakiness. For dual-GPU set up, I think 700W min is recommended, though it really depends on your total set up.

There are excellent reviews on cheap gaming cases here at the main site, so I would suggest you go read those for info.
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September 20, 2010 10:38:01 PM

As far as PSU's go, like mattimeo005 said, I probab;y wouldn't go under 700w, but that isn't all you have to look at. A lot of the cheaper PSU's will be rated 700w, but only peak, make sure what you get is "80 Plus" certified. Also, make sure it has enough amperage on the +12V rails, as these are what your GPUs use. Stick with a good brand like Corsair, Antec, Seasonic ect. an you'll probably be fine.

As far as cases go, how big do you want? I like Antec cases, for for full I'd get a 1200, mid a 900v2. The HAF 922 or 932 are good as well.

GPU-wise, I have an HD5850 myself and I like it. I haven't read up a lot on the fermi cards since they came out, other than some models ran pretty hot. Also, the 5850 is generally a capable overclocker as well. I think both are good cards, personally I'd get the 5850 for the extra power, but it is also more expensive:) 
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September 20, 2010 10:53:15 PM

I'd like a full case and I've been looking at a few coolermasters hafs are they a good choice? And have you had any driver issues with the 5850? thanks for all the help guys ^^
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September 20, 2010 11:51:08 PM

Yeah, HAF's are very good cases, most definitely. The HAF 932 is the one I mentioned in the previous post, I've been thinking about getting one myself, actually. I had some driver issues last November, but that was right after the card came out, and it was nothing major(It didn't like being plugged in to the plasma for some reason).
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September 21, 2010 1:09:26 PM

So with the newer drivers is there a lesser chance of bsod or other driver errors?
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September 21, 2010 2:17:53 PM

Yeah, with the newer(last six months) drivers I haven't had a single driver problem. Even the one I did have was minor, never a BSOD or anything major.
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September 21, 2010 5:57:54 PM

So the 5850 is better all around? Would I be able to run crysis on max settings with high fps? I have an old crt monitor so idk what resolution would be best.
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September 21, 2010 6:18:16 PM

I wouldn't say 100% better all around, I'm sure many would argue otherwise. If it were my choice I'd go for the 5850 still though. As far as maxing Crysis, you answered your own question somewhat; it depends on your resolution. I have a 1920x1080 monitor and if I max Crysis, I get about 25 fps. But on my old 1280x1024 it maxed it no problems at all.
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September 21, 2010 8:44:28 PM

zach538467 said:
I wouldn't say 100% better all around, I'm sure many would argue otherwise. If it were my choice I'd go for the 5850 still though. As far as maxing Crysis, you answered your own question somewhat; it depends on your resolution. I have a 1920x1080 monitor and if I max Crysis, I get about 25 fps. But on my old 1280x1024 it maxed it no problems at all.

Im looking to get a 23 inch 1080p monitor so that would be same resolution in the future ^^. What games do you run that are high demand and what fps do you get while playing?
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September 21, 2010 9:29:13 PM

I can tell you from doing a lot of reading on gpus that there are very few cards that can play Crysis on max (Very High) settings with "playable" (40+) fps at 1920x1080. Certainly not the mid-range cards like the GTX460 and 5850. My GTX460 OC'd to 800mhz can play Crysis on High settings @1080p and it runs around 50fps most of the time. Granted, I haven't tried it on Very High, but I'm fairly certain it won't be able to run at 40+. Anyways, High settings look pretty nice as it is, so I don't really care about being able to run it at Very High or not.

And to get back to your original question, I really don't think you can go wrong with either card, as you probably won't notice the difference between the two (except you pay slightly more for a 5850).
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September 21, 2010 9:41:41 PM

mattimeo005 said:
I can tell you from doing a lot of reading on gpus that there are very few cards that can play Crysis on max (Very High) settings with "playable" (40+) fps at 1920x1080. Certainly not the mid-range cards like the GTX460 and 5850. My GTX460 OC'd to 800mhz can play Crysis on High settings @1080p and it runs around 50fps most of the time. Granted, I haven't tried it on Very High, but I'm fairly certain it won't be able to run at 40+. Anyways, High settings look pretty nice as it is, so I don't really care about being able to run it at Very High or not.

And to get back to your original question, I really don't think you can go wrong with either card, as you probably won't notice the difference between the two (except you pay slightly more for a 5850).

Well the 5850 is more powerful then the gtx 460 but as someone said in this thread i think the gtx 460 can be oc'd to match the 5850 stock. But im wondering which is better long term for xfire or sli ^^ and the better single card atm
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September 21, 2010 10:03:32 PM

Long term, assuming DX11 catches on during the lifetime of your card (3 years), then the GTX460 will be better in the long run, as 5850 has no DX11 support. But at this point its just a gamble on whether it will catch on or not. If you don't care about DX11, then its a wash.
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September 21, 2010 10:31:29 PM

mattimeo005 said:
Long term, assuming DX11 catches on during the lifetime of your card (3 years), then the GTX460 will be better in the long run, as 5850 has no DX11 support. But at this point its just a gamble on whether it will catch on or not. If you don't care about DX11, then its a wash.

I didnt know that the 5850 didnt support dx11 lol, I like some of the features of nvidia like physx ^^ so I may go gtx 460's route. I've heard that they scale better in SLI
Edit: umm i checked newegg.ca and it says they do support dx11 XD
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September 21, 2010 10:36:07 PM

Actually, the Radeon HD5000 series cards were the first DX11 cards, so either one is the same in that regard. If you refer to the GPU hierarchy chart, the 5850 is a tier above the 460. As has been said, the 460 can be overclock most times to 5850 levels, but if you are open to that, the 5850 can usually be overclocked close to 5870 levels. It really depends on how much money you want to pay:) 

As far as games, I've played most all of them but I'm not sure of the FPS. Only games that can slow it down are Crysis(like mattime005 said, pretty much the only thing that could max it and be 60 frames + would be crossfired 5850's or up) but it only slows it down on ultra high. High settings run in the 60's somewhere. And the other game that slowed it a bit was Stalker, I never checked the FPS but if I cranked everything it was a little slow. Other than that I can usually max every game. I don't know how avid a Counter Strike player you are, but on the CS:S stress test I was getting 289FPS. That was before the update, I can't remember what it gets now.
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September 21, 2010 10:51:06 PM

Sorry right of course the 5000 series cards have DX11 support...I was thinking 4000 series as that's what I was trying to decide between when I was doing my own research...my apologies.

I should probably double check my facts before trying to pull stuff out of my ass -_-
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September 21, 2010 10:52:01 PM

zach538467 said:
Actually, the Radeon HD5000 series cards were the first DX11 cards, so either one is the same in that regard. If you refer to the GPU hierarchy chart, the 5850 is a tier above the 460. As has been said, the 460 can be overclock most times to 5850 levels, but if you are open to that, the 5850 can usually be overclocked close to 5870 levels. It really depends on how much money you want to pay:) 

As far as games, I've played most all of them but I'm not sure of the FPS. Only games that can slow it down are Crysis(like mattime005 said, pretty much the only thing that could max it and be 60 frames + would be crossfired 5850's or up) but it only slows it down on ultra high. High settings run in the 60's somewhere. And the other game that slowed it a bit was Stalker, I never checked the FPS but if I cranked everything it was a little slow. Other than that I can usually max every game. I don't know how avid a Counter Strike player you are, but on the CS:S stress test I was getting 289FPS. That was before the update, I can't remember what it gets now.

Heh crysis and stalker are the games I wanna run maxed =P. But I can deal with high settings on those two games. How about metro 2033? I've heard that game is pretty demanding. And Mafia 2, What about physx supported games does physx run on ati cards?
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September 21, 2010 10:57:39 PM

Metro 2033 is one I haven't ran yet, so I'm not sure. I played through the demo of Mafia 2, and I think I cranked everything, it ran just fine(with physx disabled). Yes you can run the game, you just can't turn physx on. I haven't ever really played with it, other than knowing there are only a handful of games that actually use it. It doesn't affect the way the game looks, just the way objects behave(from the way I understand, I could be wrong).
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September 21, 2010 11:10:08 PM

zach538467 said:
Metro 2033 is one I haven't ran yet, so I'm not sure. I played through the demo of Mafia 2, and I think I cranked everything, it ran just fine(with physx disabled). Yes you can run the game, you just can't turn physx on. I haven't ever really played with it, other than knowing there are only a handful of games that actually use it. It doesn't affect the way the game looks, just the way objects behave(from the way I understand, I could be wrong).

I think it alters the physics of the game hence physx like particle effects etc. but im assuming that its not a big deal if ati hasnt responded to it lol. Have you tried alien vs predator on your hd 5850?
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September 21, 2010 11:49:51 PM

Yeah I tried the demo way back when it first came out. It ran fine, if I remember correctly.
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September 22, 2010 6:15:01 PM

Still looking for more opinions!
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September 23, 2010 5:59:16 PM

still looking for other peoples opinions!
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