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September 21, 2010 5:09:51 PM

Looking at doing a i7-950 build with ultimate 7 and a 460.

Is now a bad time to spend 1200 on a new build. is there a better technology coming in a month?

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September 21, 2010 5:46:39 PM

I dont know if it is a bad time but sandy bridge is set to launch very soon.
What are your system spec now. You may just want to upgrade the video card now and wait to upgrade everything else.
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September 21, 2010 5:51:18 PM

It's a great time for a new build.

Sandy Bridge is overrated, and any new graphics cards are going to be pure overkill for the kind of games coming out today.

As for your proposed build, go with an i7-920, home premium 7 and either a 480 or a 5870. No reason to waste money on anything above a 920, it's the exact same architecture, with a different factory-set clock speed. All of them are capable of going to the same speeds.

Also, unless you are using legacy XP software or want to have built-in encryption, there is no reason to get anything above Home Premium with Windows 7.

Save your money on those two and you can get a better graphics card.
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September 21, 2010 6:23:35 PM

Even if sany bridge isnt worth it the i7 prices will drop soon after the release. All i am saying is if you have a quad or 45nm core2 than I would wait to get a i7 unless you do alot of video encoding or are a benchmark junkie, but for games if you have a decent rig, I would get a 470 or 480 and save the money and upgrade later. As for the operating system Windows 7 home premium is fine there is no reason to go overkill with an operating system.

Post sysem specs.
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September 21, 2010 6:46:36 PM

I have nothing but a 4200+ AMD with a 7600 that hasnt been started in years. I am in need of a computer

so the 920 will go as fast as a 950 when OC'd?

im looking at getting the
gigabyte X58A-UD3R mobo
CM sniper case.
6gb of DDR1333 or 1600
60gb OCZ SSD
500gb normal HD
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September 21, 2010 6:54:55 PM

Ok then I agree I would go ahead and upgrade then.
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September 21, 2010 7:19:25 PM

You may have to spend a little extra to get what you want though or cut/ down grade on some things. It will probably be around 1400 with everything you want.
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September 21, 2010 9:02:30 PM

Yes, the 920 will go as fast as the 950. They are so exactly the same that I wouldn't even call it overclocking.

I would also stick with DDR1333 RAM, as it's quite a bit more expensive for the 1600 and it's not really all that much of a performance boost. Better RAM means more gb, not higher speeds.

Also, for now, I wouldn't go with an SSD. I'm part of the old crowd that says "if I can't fit everything on one partition or RAID, it's not worth the trouble". I really do hate the idea of a boot drive and then a data drive. I myself just went with a run-of-the-mill caviarblack 1TB, and it works great.

I will go with an SSD as soon as I can get 1TB on one drive for $300 or less. So I'll be waiting a couple of years.
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September 21, 2010 9:37:06 PM

The difference is entirely in clockspeed, not architecture. It's like the AMD 955 vs 965, same chip, but on can run at a higher clock with the same thermal output.

In general, I would say now is a very bad time for a new build.
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September 22, 2010 12:55:15 AM



If you took any time at all to actually read what I said, you would see how that doesn't apply.

I was not saying that a stock 920 and a stock 950 will perform exactly the same. Obviously that isn't the case.

I WAS saying, however, that there is no difference in architecture between the two, the ONLY difference is the stock speed. You can very easily overclock the 920 to the 950's speed and get the exact same performance.
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September 22, 2010 1:25:30 AM

So who is finding i7-920s for sale? Newegg only has i7-930s and i7-950s, with only $14 difference between them. So, i7-930 it is, unless you want to go with an i7-870. That is the way to save money.

Or if you really want to save money on your CPU mtm87tx, do you live near a Micro Center? http://www.microcenter.com/

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September 22, 2010 1:40:30 AM

yes that is where im getting my i7-950 for 230.00
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September 22, 2010 1:53:38 AM

If you are OCing hard (ie, turning Turbo off) the odds are good they'd be so close it won't matter. If you plan a mild OC with Turbo, the 950 *may* run faster depending on why it binned out as a 950. Then there's the issue that any two chips, even with the same 9X0, may OC differently.

Sandy Bridge reportedly has an improved Turbo function that will activate sooner, more aggressively, and run longer than current i5/i7. If you plan on OCing beyond Turbo stability (ie, you plan to turn off Turbo) this Sandy Bridge advantage seems useless to you.

The onboard graphics are useless to you.

There MAY be another advantage if Turbo/Thermal envelope, which includes onboard graphics, somehow allows more Turbo when not using onboard graphics. Again, not useful to you.

So odds are good there's not much there, maybe a few dollars IF prices drop before your patience fails, but not likely.

Graphics could be a different story if you are open to AMD. Check google for "amd hd 6000 series", and see that AMD says it will refresh the entire HD5000 line the back half of 2010. Probably 60 days until you can get a card at MSRP though, and drivers are always behind from AMD.

As for SSDs, they're cool (literally) and helpful in spots, but one should not sacrifice dollars in a tight budget before cpu, gpu, and psu (and since you are OCing, mobo and memory) are optimal for your planned use.

Having said that, an SSD gives faster boot, program, game, and level load times, and perhaps eliminates hitching sometimes seen while gaming. The are low power, noise-free, cool, and faster than any RAID 0 without the complexity and lower MTBF RAID 0 causes. Finally, they allow you to use a greener, slower, cheaper "D" drive for mass storage and low priority stuff. If you are not befuddled by having two drives.

If you decide to go 1TB HD today, this one is fastest atm:

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB $75
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
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September 22, 2010 1:59:49 AM

That's an excellent summary of the climate right now. As far as i7 920 versus i7 950, they are within $30 of each other, so you might as well get the higher binned processor.
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September 22, 2010 2:35:55 AM

You had it nailed for the price!

I would still get this processor and overclock it*: i7-930 for $200 at Micro Center.

Motherboard: gigabyte X58A-UD3R for $200 at Newegg. (no tax, and no rebate hassle)

RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 6GB DDR3 1600 for $129 at newegg. OCZ memory at MC is not as good.

Hard Drive: For only a few dollars more, get this Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB for $60

Solid State Drive: 60gb OCZ SSD for $90 after rebate at newegg.

Case: Do you really have your heart set on a CM storm sniper, when you can get this for the same price? HAF932 High Air Flow Full Tower for $128

Heat Sink: Hyper 212 Plus Universal CPU Cooler for $24 at Micro Center. Really nice price here.

Graphics Card: Palit GeForce GTX 460 1 GB for $200 at Micro Center

Power Supply: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W for $81 at newegg

DVD Burner: LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R for $20 at Newegg

Total: $1132, does not include taxes at Micro Center


* My i7-920 is overclocked to an everyday stable 3.33 Ghz, same as a stock i7-970. Temp is only a couple of degrees higher than stock. Your motherboard and heatsink will be able to do the same, no problem.
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September 22, 2010 2:38:01 AM

for 230 from microcenter I am getting the 950 for sure.

the samsung f3 is faster than a 6.0gb/s sata hdd?

now i just need to find a mobo

gigabyte X58A-UD3R or Asus Sabertooth?
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September 22, 2010 2:47:32 AM

now might not be the optimum time to do a build but lets be honest. I wont be able to afford the latest when it comes out anyway so for ~1100 this comp with play SC2 for years to come
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September 22, 2010 12:41:57 PM

eloric said:
You had it nailed for the price!

I would still get this processor and overclock it*: i7-930 for $200 at Micro Center.

Motherboard: gigabyte X58A-UD3R for $200 at Newegg. (no tax, and no rebate hassle)

RAM: Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 6GB DDR3 1600 for $129 at newegg. OCZ memory at MC is not as good.

Hard Drive: For only a few dollars more, get this Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB for $60

Solid State Drive: 60gb OCZ SSD for $90 after rebate at newegg.

Case: Do you really have your heart set on a CM storm sniper, when you can get this for the same price? HAF932 High Air Flow Full Tower for $128

Heat Sink: Hyper 212 Plus Universal CPU Cooler for $24 at Micro Center. Really nice price here.

Graphics Card: Palit GeForce GTX 460 1 GB for $200 at Micro Center

Power Supply: CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W for $81 at newegg

DVD Burner: LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R for $20 at Newegg

Total: $1132, does not include taxes at Micro Center


* My i7-920 is overclocked to an everyday stable 3.33 Ghz, same as a stock i7-970. Temp is only a couple of degrees higher than stock. Your motherboard and heatsink will be able to do the same, no problem.


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September 22, 2010 12:55:27 PM

I agree that this is not the correct time to build a new rig or even to upgrade a system.
AMD Buldozer, Intel Sandybridge, and AMD/ATI HD6000s are comming very soon.
This means either you might wanna get the new stuffs, or you might wanna enjoy the price cut for all of todays components.

But, if you really need one, I don't see why you shouldn't get yourself a new rig.
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