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December 17, 2010 7:27:21 AM

just bought an E8500 which replaced my old E5400 but now the temps are getting high...
i know the thermal paste Intel provides is pretty crap but its not that crap.
anyway im using hardware-monitor and it says my temps are at 52C on load (thats not the problem) and 32C on idle
1st core is at 68C on load and 46C on idle
2nd core is at 60C on load and 36C on idle
i used OCCT for testing
are these temps really bad?
maybe i should reseat the heatsink because maybe one of the pushpins are loose

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December 17, 2010 8:30:32 AM

I don't think they're REALLY bad, but they are a little high. I would suggest getting some quality paste and re-seating. I tried stock paste a while ago just to see if it's got any better over the years, yet when tested against MX2 it was actually running 9C hotter!! Big difference just for some different paste.

Some CPU's have core temps that are over 20C hotter than CPU temp, others (like my 1090T) always read that teh cores are around 15C cooler than the CPU temp. I'm pretty sure this varies with each chip..
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December 17, 2010 9:04:11 AM

well.... id rather not spend more money on some new paste or a new cooler...
ill try reseating the heatsink and if that doesnt work ill just have to save up money and get a better cooler and new paste
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December 17, 2010 2:16:39 PM

MSI motherboard? eeewwwwww

E8500's are efficent (65w) but the stock coolers do push it a little but YOUR TEMPS ARE FINE - dont bother messing with it just make sure you installed that cooler correctly, and the intel thermal compound aint that bad for most machines seriously.
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December 17, 2010 8:36:29 PM

Lol - never been a big fan of MSI boards either.

Anyway yeah.. if you're using the stock cooler your temps are probably about right. I would suggest looking at a few third-party coolers though. For £15 ($25) you can get a good cooler that will do the job in the summer as well as when it's nice and chilly ambient.
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December 17, 2010 10:06:43 PM

acer0169 said:
Lol - never been a big fan of MSI boards either.

Anyway yeah.. if you're using the stock cooler your temps are probably about right. I would suggest looking at a few third-party coolers though. For £15 ($25) you can get a good cooler that will do the job in the summer as well as when it's nice and chilly ambient.


right, in australia summer gets around 40C so maybe i should get a new cooler quickly since summer is right around the corner
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December 18, 2010 7:35:09 AM

Haha yeah, spend a little money and keep it cool! I forget there aren't a whole bunch of English on the forum. Out summer is like 25C or something, and winter (current) is always around 0C. Good for overclocking, bad for getting a tan ;) .
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December 18, 2010 9:53:58 AM

what do you mean ' there aren't a whole bunch of English on the forum'?
anyway i was looking at some arctic silver thermal paste and it says it needs a "break in" period of 200 hours before it starts to properly work...
is that the same for the intel thermal paste?
would explain why my E8500 is running a lot hotter than my old E5400
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December 18, 2010 2:00:03 PM

If you want an AS alternative, you can try Arctic Cooling MX-2/3/4 thermal paste (any of them porform well, MX-4 being the latest and possibly better). I think none of them need curing and are all non-conductive.
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December 18, 2010 2:11:11 PM

alhanelem said:
well.... id rather not spend more money on some new paste or a new cooler...
ill try reseating the heatsink and if that doesnt work ill just have to save up money and get a better cooler and new paste

If you have used the CPU and reseat the cooler, you will break the seal created by the thermal grease making it necessary to reapply the thermal paste. I personally prefer to use my own paste to the stock but that's just me. Only costs $5 for a new tube.

The Temps seem a little high but I wouldn't call it out of the ordinary.
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December 19, 2010 6:29:30 AM

YIKES!!!!
i was just testing a small oc ( i increased the clock speed to 3.25 GHz) and now the temps are:
75C 1st core and 67C 2nd core
im not sure these are normal temps for my cpu. the vcore was at 1.3v and i used OCCT for 15 mins and these were the temps..

so i guess ill get a good after market cooler and some arctic silver paste.
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December 19, 2010 8:26:15 AM

alhanelem said:
just bought an E8500 which replaced my old E5400 but now the temps are getting high...
i know the thermal paste Intel provides is pretty crap but its not that crap.
anyway im using hardware-monitor and it says my temps are at 52C on load (thats not the problem) and 32C on idle
1st core is at 68C on load and 46C on idle
2nd core is at 60C on load and 36C on idle
i used OCCT for testing
are these temps really bad?
maybe i should reseat the heatsink because maybe one of the pushpins are loose


don't tell me that you're using that tiny stock cooler that came from the box.......even get a crappy $9 cooler master xdream4(http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=2569...) would be much better than that cost down garbage.

i personally test that stock cooler with the conroe stock cooler(copper core) on my e8500 during summer time the different is 28c in load(69c vs 41c) and 13c in idle (40c vs 27c) result e8500 suppose to be equip that large copper core heatsink rather than the heatsink that only to be seem in celeron's box.....

PS: all wolfdale based processor were come with that crappy cooler which you'd either to get the q9650/e6850's stock heatsink(big one with copper core) or buy a tower costume cooler.
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December 19, 2010 9:16:59 AM

cheesesubs said:
don't tell me that you're using that tiny stock cooler that came from the box.......even get a crappy $9 cooler master xdream4(http://www.coolermaster.com/product.php?product_id=2569...) would be much better than that cost down garbage.

i personally test that stock cooler with the conroe stock cooler(copper core) on my e8500 during summer time the different is 28c in load(69c vs 41c) and 13c in idle (40c vs 27c) result e8500 suppose to be equip that large copper core heatsink rather than the heatsink that only to be seem in celeron's box.....

PS: all wolfdale based processor were come with that crappy cooler which you'd either to get the q9650/e6850's stock heatsink(big one with copper core) or buy a tower costume cooler.


yeah... i dont want to spend too much on account that i will replace this old pc with a new one when the prices for the sandy bridge goes down
guess ill get a CoolerMaster HYPER TX3 since the 212+ is more expensive and i HATE backplates, and some AS 5 paste too.
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December 19, 2010 9:46:55 AM

alhanelem said:
yeah... i dont want to spend too much on account that i will replace this old pc with a new one when the prices for the sandy bridge goes down
guess ill get a CoolerMaster HYPER TX3 since the 212+ is more expensive and i HATE backplates, and some AS 5 paste too.


you don't need to spend 50 bucks on expansive tower cooling..

this intel copper stock cooler will be solve your problem as e8500 isn't a really hot processor except it had to come with garbage cooler...

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-D34017-002-Pentium-Heatsink...

or spend $11(it was 9 bucks but i think it went up during holiday season) on x dream 4

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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December 19, 2010 10:04:06 AM

alhanelem said:
what do you mean ' there aren't a whole bunch of English on the forum'?
anyway i was looking at some arctic silver thermal paste and it says it needs a "break in" period of 200 hours before it starts to properly work...
is that the same for the intel thermal paste?
would explain why my E8500 is running a lot hotter than my old E5400


Well.. I always thought the majority of the forum was english, but nearly everyone speaks in dollars so you tell me..

And yeah.. some pastes need a break in period, but it doesn't make a huge amount of difference. Maybe a few degrees different from when you first install.
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December 19, 2010 2:49:38 PM

alright then, thank you acer for clearing that up for me.
now, cheesesubs thanks for the suggestions but if im going to spend money on a new cooler i want one which will make a noticeable difference. Im ok with spending anything up to $100. also i use a site called www.auspcmarket.com.au for my shopping.

cooler:
http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/info/REC-RR-910-HTX3-GP/1...

paste:
http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/info/CS-AS512G/183/

remember these are prices in Australia and are a LOT higher than the prices in the US
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December 19, 2010 3:38:59 PM

It's cheaper because AS5 is actually contains a lot of silver, but I've found that AS5 itself doesn't match up to MX2 or MX3. Good news all round as MX2, MX3 and MX4 work to their full potential straight after install and don't require a 'burn in' period.
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December 19, 2010 8:52:50 PM

alhanelem said:
alright then, thank you acer for clearing that up for me.
now, cheesesubs thanks for the suggestions but if im going to spend money on a new cooler i want one which will make a noticeable difference. Im ok with spending anything up to $100. also i use a site called www.auspcmarket.com.au for my shopping.

cooler:
http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/info/REC-RR-910-HTX3-GP/1...

paste:
http://www.auspcmarket.com.au/info/CS-AS512G/183/

remember these are prices in Australia and are a LOT higher than the prices in the US



unless you're decide to have extreme overclock(4.5ghz+), tower cooling is way overkill for processor like e8500 and tower cooling ain't really help to lower the idle temperature. the idle temp are mostly a bit higher than intel's copper stock and only be efficient during heavy load. so don't waste money on tower cooling unless you have a quad core or for future upgrade.

about paste i would recommend ocz freeze over brand like antec's arctic....

even though it's $7.99 w/out shipping but it can reduce the temp at least 10c+ in same cooler.

http://gear.ocztechnology.com/products/description/OCZ_...
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December 19, 2010 9:10:52 PM

cheesesubs said:
unless you're decide to have extreme overclock(4.5ghz+), tower cooling is way overkill for processor like e8500 and tower cooling ain't really help to lower the idle temperature. the idle temp are mostly a bit higher than intel's copper stock and only be efficient during heavy load. so don't waste money on tower cooling unless you have a quad core or for future upgrade.

about paste i would recommend ocz freeze over brand like antec's arctic....

even though it's $7.99 w/out shipping but it can reduce the temp at least 10c+ in same cooler.

http://gear.ocztechnology.com/products/description/OCZ_...


The cooler he's linked to isn't exactly extreme. It has 3 heatpipes and a medium sized 92mm fan. The cooler I'm currently using has 7 heatpipes and two 120mm fans.. I consider that to be high-end cooler, but still not extreme air. I also doubt how good a £28 cooler would be for running multiple cores at 4.5GHz.

The tower cooler would be great in your hot 40C summers - making sure it's load temps are well within the CPU's max temp.
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December 19, 2010 11:17:20 PM

acer0169 said:
The cooler he's linked to isn't exactly extreme. It has 3 heatpipes and a medium sized 92mm fan. The cooler I'm currently using has 7 heatpipes and two 120mm fans.. I consider that to be high-end cooler, but still not extreme air. I also doubt how good a £28 cooler would be for running multiple cores at 4.5GHz.

The tower cooler would be great in your hot 40C summers - making sure it's load temps are well within the CPU's max temp.



i ran a e8500 and a qx9770 with intel copper and cm hyper101 so far i got my conclusion that processor like x9770 only need a 2 heatpipe heatsink and 80mm fan to maintain under 45c during loading. consider qx9770 is 2x e8500 which cooler like hyper 101 is already overkill unless extreme oc. but even so hyper 101 can still handle e8500 when oc to 4.5ghz.

and i wonder are you living in sahara desert or indian jungle because above 40c (100f) summer day is rare in most corner of land mess on this planet. the hottest i had experienced is 32c (90f). not even in the place like australia....

PS: i'm from central canada
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December 19, 2010 11:30:10 PM

cheesesubs said:
i ran a e8500 and a qx9770 with intel copper and cm hyper101 so far i got my conclusion that processor like x9770 only need a 2 heatpipe heatsink and 80mm fan to maintain under 45c during loading. consider qx9770 is 2x e8500 which cooler like hyper 101 is already overkill unless extreme oc. but even so hyper 101 can still handle e8500 when oc to 4.5ghz.

and i wonder are you living in sahara desert or indian jungle because above 40c (100f) summer day is rare in most corner of land mess on this planet. the hottest i had experienced is 32c (90f). not even in the place like australia....

PS: i'm from central canada


you are SOOOO wrong!
i have easily had summer days reaching as high as 42C so im going to stick with the TX3 cooler and the MX3 paste
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December 19, 2010 11:37:48 PM

ok now i have another question, if i make a mistake applying the thermal paste how do i remove it? I know it is a stupid idea to scratch it off with your fingernail or just wipe it of with a cloth or tissue since i need to get rid of the tiny particles using some kid of cleaner... is there a way of cleaning a cpu WITHOUT buying a cleaning kit?
any household chemicals i can use?
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December 19, 2010 11:52:34 PM

I always used lighter fluid, I don't know if it's good, but always did the job.
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December 19, 2010 11:54:53 PM

Qtips soaked in Fantastic or 409? Paper towel?
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December 20, 2010 2:04:42 AM

... what the hell is fantastic? 409?

anyway i heard brake cleaner was a good chem to use, i might try that.
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December 20, 2010 9:02:48 AM

The best thing I've ever found for cleaning paste off is a J-cloth. Not sure if you get them there.. but they're dirt cheap in the UK (like £1 for a pack of 10) and always look like this: http://www.google.co.uk/images?um=1&hl=en&rlz=1G1GGLQ_E...

Most cloths or tissue etc leave paste and fibres and all sorts which are a pain to clean, but J-cloths manage to get all paste off in a single wipe without leaving and fibres behind - I guess it's just how they're made?

The "correct" way of cleaning a CPU is with rubbing alcohol or CPU cleaning fluid, but you can't really damage a CPU as long as you don't scratch the surface (you want as smoother surface as possible).

Any cloth or microfibre wipe works well. You can use a business card (card board, not plastic) to scrap most of the paste off, and then use a cloth to get the rest. NEVER use soapy water or anything that will leave a residue!
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December 23, 2010 1:03:20 PM

Q-tip + rubbing alcohol (can use some of the fingernail color removers but not all. Check ingredients before using). After that you can give it a "polish" with one of those lint free, microfiber cloths that you use to clean eyeglasses with.
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December 23, 2010 1:54:21 PM

alhanelem said:
you are SOOOO wrong!
i have easily had summer days reaching as high as 42C so im going to stick with the TX3 cooler and the MX3 paste


out door temperature does not apply to room temperature unless you never turn on air condition.......

still, i don't see any point e8500 has to equip an expansive tower cooler, you haven't answer my question yet, have you overclock over 4ghz? if not tower is too overkill. even for lower model of q9xxx. plus if you go for cheaper tower the cooling may be worse than stock cooler cause by air flaw and heatsink material. in any case tower isn't good solution.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

this copper core cooler should be far enough for e8500 and only for $14 bucks...unless you think your e8500 hotter and power hunger than 3.8ghz pentium 4 prescott.
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December 23, 2010 3:01:41 PM

Just because a processor CAN run at 50C idle.. doesn't mean it should. If you have the money for a good tower cooler, you should get it and ensure stable performance and good temps. It's in NO WAY overkill. Overkill would be water cooling or an ugly-as-sin Coolermaster V8.

You honestly think a £9 cooler would be better than the stock and may I add APPROVED stock cooler for his CPU, and yet some how think that a tower cooler might be worse due to "air flaw" and the heatsink material!? You realise that tower coolers have a much better airflow than low-profile coolers and heatsink material will always be copper and/or aluminum - I'm yet to see a cooler that uses another material.

To the OP, alhanelem, get yourself a good quality cooler with some good quality paste. Who cares if cheese thinks it's a bad idea - getting a good cooler now just means you don't need to buy another one again when you come to upgrade.
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December 23, 2010 3:16:26 PM

acer0169 said:
Just because a processor CAN run at 50C idle.. doesn't mean it should. If you have the money for a good tower cooler, you should get it and ensure stable performance and good temps. It's in NO WAY overkill. Overkill would be water cooling or an ugly-as-sin Coolermaster V8.


do you think e8500 can be hotter than prescott 3.8ghz?

to remind you this op use the cooler below the image..



any processor that use this kind of cooler will no doubt having 50c at idle...


You honestly think a £9 cooler would be better than the stock and may I add APPROVED stock cooler for his CPU, and yet some how think that a tower cooler might be worse due to "air flaw" and the heatsink material!? You realise that tower coolers have a much better airflow than low-profile coolers and heatsink material will always be copper and/or aluminum - I'm yet to see a cooler that uses another material. said:
You honestly think a £9 cooler would be better than the stock and may I add APPROVED stock cooler for his CPU, and yet some how think that a tower cooler might be worse due to "air flaw" and the heatsink material!? You realise that tower coolers have a much better airflow than low-profile coolers and heatsink material will always be copper and/or aluminum - I'm yet to see a cooler that uses another material.


well cheaper tower(sub $30) do having problem with air flaw and worse cooling due to using cheaper material(most use aluminum/steel rather than copper)and weaker fan with less rpm. at the same price range you get a standard cooler with better cooling(but noisy too). either op has to get a expansive gigantic tower cooler or cheap standard cooler he will decide it.


To the OP, alhanelem, get yourself a good quality cooler with some good quality paste. Who cares if cheese thinks it's a bad idea - getting a good cooler now just means you don't need to buy another one again when you come to upgrade. said:
To the OP, alhanelem, get yourself a good quality cooler with some good quality paste. Who cares if cheese thinks it's a bad idea - getting a good cooler now just means you don't need to buy another one again when you come to upgrade.


not bad idea...just not worth the money when op only have a dual core with no specific purpose. plus it's not just cooler itself but the case airflaw has to concluded.
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December 23, 2010 3:30:47 PM

Tower coolers are generally better for case airflow direction.
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December 23, 2010 3:38:02 PM

acer0169 said:
Tower coolers are generally better for case airflow direction.


no doubt they are better, but the price are like 4x as much as standard cooler. plus not all of them equal quality. for example cm v8 is indeed a garbage for its price range....
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December 23, 2010 4:24:35 PM

But there are no end of 'standard coolers' that are pants too. And if you look around you can get tower coolers for as much as a copper based standard cooler. They are the better design, and are so popular now a days that you can get them for a very good price.
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December 24, 2010 2:07:40 AM

WOW!
acer and cheese stop holding knives at each others throats plz...

anyway, im still going to get the TX3 cooler since even though its a tower cooler its not THAT expensive and its not THAT great.
also im getting these high temps on STOCK frequency... but i know why.

when i got my E8500 about a week ago i immediately took out my old E5400 and put the E8500 in
BUT i forgot to reset the bios and i couldn't get a POST, so i removed the HSF and reseted the HSF thinking it wasn't placed properly. the thermal paste was broken and i dont have any since this was the first time i have ever installed a cpu before. THAT is why i have high temps and THAT is why im getting the TX3 AND MX3 paste.

but thanks for your help anyway
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December 24, 2010 2:41:07 AM

P.S i had a look at the coolermaster V8 and as soon as i saw it i thought
'WTF is that THING????'
LOL
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December 24, 2010 3:30:57 AM

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you didnt get some paste on the socket and surrounding areas by accident?


umm... no?
i didnt have any paste to begin with, it was the intel paste that i used that came with the cpu
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December 24, 2010 5:27:14 AM

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lol yeah i know but when you applied it little bits didnt drop onto the board by accident?


Wah? no... the intel paste is pre-applied on the heatsink, i didnt apply it myself...
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December 24, 2010 8:21:23 AM

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oh sorry thought you build it yourself


one day... one day.....
lol, i do really hope to build my own computer (but not from scratch that would be silly)
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December 24, 2010 3:17:20 PM

alhanelem said:
just bought an E8500 which replaced my old E5400 but now the temps are getting high...
i know the thermal paste Intel provides is pretty crap but its not that crap.
anyway im using hardware-monitor and it says my temps are at 52C on load (thats not the problem) and 32C on idle
1st core is at 68C on load and 46C on idle
2nd core is at 60C on load and 36C on idle
i used OCCT for testing
are these temps really bad?
maybe i should reseat the heatsink because maybe one of the pushpins are loose

My E8400 is running at 28 degrees C right now with stock cooler and runs about 45 degrees C under load, so yours sounds a little hot to me.
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