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August 12, 2010 8:22:41 PM

About 2 weeks ago I purchased a Sapphire Radeon HD5850 Toxic 1GB for $315 on amazon.com. My question is: was this a stupid purchase now that the ASUS DirectCU version of a GTX 460 1GB is now $230? I'm killing myself over this. I can still make a return on the 5850, anyone think I should go for it?

EDIT: I realize the GTX 460 is in a lower tier of graphics cards than the HD5850, my question is if its worth the $85 dollar price differential for the marginal performance increase.

Also I do not use eyefinity. PhysX, 3D and superior sli scaling, along with the card being cheaper in general make it sexier for the future. I think I'm making up my own mind.

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a b U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 8:28:10 PM

no, you're not stupid

gtx 460 competes with the 5830
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August 12, 2010 8:34:01 PM

I suppose I should have specified the 1GB version of the GTX 460, but is the $85 worth the money to justify an HD5850 over a GTX 460? I'm also talking about the higher quality cards and not just generic reference models. I currently have my HD5850 running very stable at 900/1200, but research suggests that the GTX 460 can get nearly equal core clock speed. Are nvidia and ATI even comparable in core clock speed? I'm losing my mind:( 
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a b U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 8:34:49 PM

The gtx 460 is a gift to overclockers. Its priced as it performs at 675mhz and as we have learned and Nvidia told us in advertising charts. They all go to 800mhz+. And the card scales up in power. Its almost a flagship gpu.
That being said ! The 5850 is the only gpu that can also claim alot of those things. Its a 5870 at 100 dollars less very easily.
So why second guess yourself now ?
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a c 259 U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 8:35:16 PM

A GTX460 can be overclocked very easily to compete with a stock HD5850 and even HD5870 in some cases. BUT the HD5850 is also a great overclocker as well. So as jefe323 said the GTX460 competes more with the HD5830.
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August 12, 2010 8:41:48 PM

I understand that the GTX 460 is in the same teir as the HD5830. That's not my question. My question is: is $85 dollars worth the performance increase that I get from an HD5850. Also the stock clock speed of the ASUS DirectCU GTX 460 1GB is 775mhz not 675mhz, which is 10 mhz faster than the stock clock of my Toxic HD5850 1gb.
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August 12, 2010 8:44:00 PM

I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I chose the HD5850 over the HD5870 because the price differential wasn't worth the increase in performance. I have that same feeling now with the GTX 460.
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a b U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 8:45:14 PM

axinian said:
I understand that the GTX 460 is in the same teir as the HD5830. That's not my question. My question is: is $85 dollars worth the performance increase that I get from an HD5850. Also the stock clock speed of the ASUS DirectCU GTX 460 1GB is 775mhz not 675mhz, which is 10 mhz faster than the stock clock of my Toxic HD5850 1gb.

Well I think people that return working merchandise help raise prices for the rest of us, truthfully. So if there is nothing wrong with the card, I support vendors charging rma fees and return shipping :) 
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a c 259 U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 8:46:44 PM

You can not compare the clock speed between an Ati and Nvidia card. The architecture is completly different. I also have to say with a voltage increase my EVGA GTX460 will overclock to the 900mhz range as will any good GTX460. The HD5850 overclocks just as well as the GTX460.
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August 12, 2010 8:46:50 PM

notty22 said:
Well I think people that return working merchandise help raise prices for the rest of us, truthfully. So if there is nothing wrong with the card, I support vendors charging rma fees and return shipping :) 


I would appreciate it if you would stop arbitrarily posting in this thread with random replies that have nothing to do with the question at hand, thanks.
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August 12, 2010 8:48:49 PM

anort3 said:
You can not compare the clock speed between an Ati and Nvidia card. The architecture is completly different. I also have to say with a voltage increase my EVGA GTX460 will overclock to the 900mhz range as will any good GTX460. The HD5850 overclocks just as well as the GTX460.


What made you choose a GTX 460 over an HD5850?
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a c 259 U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 8:50:59 PM

Price.
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a c 259 U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 8:52:57 PM

And to be honest I suppose I am somewhat of an Nvidia fanboy :whistle: 
Lol I have not had an Ati card since the Ati Rage II 3D with Direct Draw 2MB days.
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a c 124 U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 8:53:09 PM

axinian said:
I guess what I'm really trying to say is that I chose the HD5850 over the HD5870 because the price differential wasn't worth the increase in performance. I have that same feeling now with the GTX 460.


I know how you feel, because I got my 5850s not too long ago. I think that based on all the reviews I've read, the GTX 460 is indeed a great card and would have saved a bit of cash. However, your 5850 is OCed a ton and will easily perform beter than the GTX 460 even if it is also overclocked. I don't regret owning 5850s at all. But since you have the option of switching... is it worth it? Well... maybe. I think GTX 460s in SLI can be very worth while and that'll be saving, what, $160? On the other hand, two 5850s in CF and OCed are very powerful...
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August 12, 2010 8:57:16 PM

wolfram23 said:
I know how you feel, because I got my 5850s not too long ago. I think that based on all the reviews I've read, the GTX 460 is indeed a great card and would have saved a bit of cash. However, your 5850 is OCed a ton and will easily perform beter than the GTX 460 even if it is also overclocked. I don't regret owning 5850s at all. But since you have the option of switching... is it worth it? Well... maybe. I think GTX 460s in SLI can be very worth while and that'll be saving, what, $160? On the other hand, two 5850s in CF and OCed are very powerful...


That is the main draw of possibly getting a GTX 460. SLI scales so much better than crossfire, and the cards are just cheaper in general. ><
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a b U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 9:05:29 PM

axinian said:
About 2 weeks ago I purchased a Sapphire Radeon HD5850 Toxic 1GB for $315 on amazon.com. My question is: was this a stupid purchase now that the ASUS DirectCU version of a GTX 460 1GB is now $230? I'm killing myself over this. I can still make a return on the 5850, anyone think I should go for it?

EDIT: I realize the GTX 460 is in a lower tier of graphics cards than the HD5850, my question is if its worth the $85 dollar price differential for the marginal performance increase.

Also I do not use eyefinity. PhysX, 3D and superior sli scaling, along with the card being cheaper in general make it sexier for the future. I think I'm making up my own mind.


The first mistake you made was choosing the Vapor-X, as it does indeed have a nice cooler it is capped when it comes to overclocking since you have no voltage control. The 460 is a great card no doubt but it cannot hang with the best 5850's when both cards are OC'ed.

To answer your question, well it depends what 5850 you are talking about, if you can find a 5850 that has voltage control and meets your budget then that would be your best option. If not then get a 460 that has voltage control and a nice warranty ;) 


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August 12, 2010 9:09:10 PM

What PSU do you have, if you are not pushing 600w+ then go with the 5850 as it draws less power then the 460GTX, and less heat produced from it. What case do you have, if the case gets moderate airflow then you may have heat issues with the 460GTX, if your PSU is not strong enough then you need to change, so your savings go out the window and then does not make it worrth the change, plus the 15% restocking fee so it adds up, you will have to give them about $50 just to send back a perfectly good card, now you are only saving $30. In the end it may cost more to go with the 460GTX and get a little slower card. Keep the 5850.
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August 12, 2010 9:19:01 PM

rattman169 said:
What PSU do you have, if you are not pushing 600w+ then go with the 5850 as it draws less power then the 460GTX, and less heat produced from it. What case do you have, if the case gets moderate airflow then you may have heat issues with the 460GTX, if your PSU is not strong enough then you need to change, so your savings go out the window and then does not make it worrth the change, plus the 15% restocking fee so it adds up, you will have to give them about $50 just to send back a perfectly good card, now you are only saving $30. In the end it may cost more to go with the 460GTX and get a little slower card. Keep the 5850.


I have a Corsair 650W psu. Also, I've read that you can get the restocking fee waived if you don't abuse it/use it too often. I'm just mad that this card was released when it was:( 
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August 12, 2010 9:30:35 PM

yeah, but like I said, even if you get the restocking fee waived because you're exchanging it then it may be worth it, how long would you have to wait, if it's going to take 2-3 days there and same back that's a week with no video, can you live with that? Is there a shipping fee to return it? I am just saying if you really need to save the money then exchange it, if it will not really make a difference the keep the 5850. The card's very good and you will not regret it, but if you really believe the 460GTX is better for you... go for it. I use whatever is the best for my dollar, and once I make my purchase I don't change it (nothing to do with restocking fee's). I believe if that is what you chose then there was something about it that peaked your interest and that is why you got it at that time. :)  the best to you whatever you decide though. PS, I wouldn't exchange it, I would keep the 5850, not for anything about being 1 tier better, but more for I chose it because that is what I want at that very moment.
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a c 124 U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 10:19:01 PM

What you should do is look up Vantage scores or something for GTX 460s and compare to your 5850s. Overclock vs overclock if you're into that. 5850s overclock a ton, right now I'm running at stock volts 870/1230... I doubt a 460 could keep up...
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a b U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 10:26:44 PM

not Vantage since the NV cards get a 2-3k boost due to PPU, more like 06/FFXIV/Unique etc..
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a c 124 U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 10:27:43 PM

Well you can disable PPU in the options, but yeah you do have to be careful
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a b U Graphics card
August 12, 2010 10:37:41 PM

wolfram23 said:
Well you can disable PPU in the options, but yeah you do have to be careful


what I meant is that he cannot compare his 5850's to the 460's unless the PPU was disabled for the 460's which is highly unlikely. He would have to find someones bench that indeed have the PPU disabled to get a more accurate outcome.
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a b U Graphics card
August 13, 2010 4:51:31 AM

Id keep the 5850, and you might want to make sure you can send it back free. Odds are you will pay return shipping, and a restocking fee. And shipping for the new card. I think the savings is disappearing fast.
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