High end gaming PC

[Erik Van Hoof]

Hi,

I'm about to buy a new computer made specially for gaming. This are the parts I want to use but if someone has a better suggestion feel free to say so. I copied it from a shop in belgium so some stuff is still in dutch but normally you'll know what i'm talking about

Sapphire HD5870 Vapor-X
ATI Radeon HD5870, 1024 MB, 256 Bit, PCIe x16 v2.0, PCIe x16 v2.1 1€ 419,-*€ 419,-*

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit
Windows, NL, 1 licentie, DVD-ROM 1€ 109,90*€ 109,90*

CPUs Socket 1156
Intel® Core™ i5-750
4x 2666 MHz, 4x 256 kB, 8192 kB, Lynnfield 1€ 209,90*€ 209,90*

Thermaltake Toughpower CM
750 Watt, ATX12V 2.2, ATX 2.03, EPS, 6 x, 8 x 1€ 129,90*€ 129,90*

Antec 1200 case: 144,90€

DVD-reWriters Serial-ATA
Asus DRW-24B1LT
24 / 8 / 12 speed, 24 / 6 / 12 speed, Serial ATA/150, 16 / 48 speed 1€ 29,99*€ 29,99*

Asus P7P55D EVO
Intel® P55, ATX, 3x PCIe x16 v2.0, 1156 1€ 192,90*€ 192,90*
• Intel® P55 (PCH) 6K 6G R0+1 SATA2 maximaal 6 apparaten, RAID 0, 1, 5, JBOD, 0+1, 300 MB/s1
• JMicron JMB322 maximaal 2 apparaten, RAID 0, 1, JBOD, 300 MB/s1
• JMicron JMB363 maximaal 4 apparaten, RAID 0, 1, JBOD, 300 MB/s1
• USB 2.0 Controller 60 MB/s, USB 2.0, maximaal 127 apparaten1
• FireWire Controller 50 MB/s, FireWire, maximaal 63 apparaten1
• VT1828 (7.1 HD) 4 x Line-out, 1 x Optisch-Uit, VT1828S1
• Realtek RTL8110SC 1
• Realtek RTL8112 1 x RJ-45, 10/100/1000 Mbps1

GeIL DIMM 4 GB DDR3-1333 Kit
4096 MB, CL6 6-6-20, 2 stuk(s), PC3 10600 1€ 129,90*€ 129,90*

Subtotaal:€ 1.331,39*

Now there are some things I might change.

I can buy a HD 5870 for 359€ what is 60€ less. But this one is slightly overclocked and has the vapor x cooling. Is it worth the 60€ or not?
And I might add an extra HD 5870 or HD 5970 in the future. Do I need more then 750 watts then?
In the next few years I'm not planning to upgrade (exept gpu) or overclock my system. I want a very nice system that can last about 4-5 years

Thx for reading and please give your opinion

 

[saint19]

Hi newcomer and welcome to the Tom's hardware forum.

1- You will see the 60€ more in the OC capabilities
2- Here are the 5870 system requirements:

ATI Radeon™ HD 5870 System Requirements

PCI Express® based PC is required with one X16 lane graphics slot available on the motherboard
500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express® power connectors recommended (600 Watt and four 6-pin connectors for ATI CrossFireX™ technology in dual mode)
Certified power supplies are recommended. Refer to http://ati.amd.com/certifiedPSU for a list of Certified products
Minimum 1GB of system memory
Installation software requires CD-ROM drive
DVD playback requires DVD drive
Blu-ray™ playback requires Blu-ray drive
For an ATI CrossFireX™ system, a second ATI Radeon™ HD 5870 graphics card, an ATI CrossFireX Ready motherboard and one ATI CrossFireX Bridge Interconnect cable per graphics card (included) are required

The recommended PSU is for the entire system so even with a 650W PSU is enough for the Crossfire with 5870 BUT for a Crossfire 5970 u need a 580W PSU.

Try to go with a better PSU brand like Antec, Corsair, PC Power and Cooling, Silverstone or Seasonic, thermaltake is a good brand but not as good as the others.

 

[Erik Van Hoof]

aaight thx i won't oc my card unless it reallyreally gets outdated or so the rest is ok?

 

[Erik Van Hoof]

aaight thx i won't oc my card unless it reallyreally gets outdated or so the rest is ok?

is this one better?
http://www.alternate.be/html/product/Voedingen_meer_dan_600_Watt/Corsair/CMPSU-750TX/233915/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Voedingen&l2=meer+dan+600+Watt

this is the list of all psu's
http://www.alternate.be/html/categoryListing.html?cat1=135&cat2=347&cat3=0&bfbox=1&&tn=HARDWARE&l1=Voedingen&l2=meer+dan+600+Watt&

 

[saint19]

Yeah, it's OK for me.

 

[wolfram23]

Pretty good choices there.

The Corsair 750TX is an absolute monster PSU and will do the job just fine.

I would personally get a stock 5870 for less, and then OC myself. That's what I did with my 5850s, and I have them running rather fast (check my sig).

I'm not sure how the Asus EVO differs from my PRO motherboard, but it's a great brand and it should suite your needs perfectly. A good alternate would be a Gigabyte board.

For RAM, 1333mhz is fine but if you want to do any overclocking of the CPU, I'd look for 1600mhz CL8 or better. It shouldn't cost much more and to hit 1600mhz is super easy (base clock up from 133 to 160) and will gain you a fair bit of speed. Won't need to fool with voltages or anything. Only, recommend getting an aftermarket heat sink.

 

[saint19]

aaight thx i won't oc my card unless it reallyreally gets outdated or so the rest is ok?

is this one better?
http://www.alternate.be/html/product/Voedingen_meer_dan_600_Watt/Corsair/CMPSU-750TX/233915/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Voedingen&l2=meer+dan+600+Watt

this is the list of all psu's
http://www.alternate.be/html/categoryListing.html?cat1=135&cat2=347&cat3=0&bfbox=1&&tn=HARDWARE&l1=Voedingen&l2=meer+dan+600+Watt&

Yeah, that's a good PSU. This two are much better but more expensive.

1- http://www.alternate.be/html/product/Voedingen_meer_dan_600_Watt/Corsair/CMPSU-650HX/365069/?
2- http://www.alternate.be/html/product/Voedingen_meer_dan_600_Watt/Corsair/CMPSU-750HX/344322/?

 

[Erik Van Hoof]

thought about the 2nd one to but thats really expensive indeed, i compaired all and the one I have now has a 140mm cooler, the 1st one u mentioned only a 120, that was the only difference i think i saw so i picked the 140mm fan

if it really is better i can spend 10€ more for the psu np.

The biggest concerns about money are the difference between the regular hd 5870 (359€: 850 and 4800 clockspeed) or the vapor x (419€ : 875 and 5000 clockspeeds + vapor x cooling). I just hope the standard oc and extra cooling is worth the 60€)

and 4gig RAM is enough for now i hope

 

[wolfram23]

4 gigs RAM is plenty, while gaming I've never seen over about 3gigs used.

As for the GPUs, which is the regular one you're looking at? My suggestion is to get a regular one, but try to get either the reference model or one that has voltage controle (Direct Cu version maybe). The reference one's cooling is fine, and exhausts out the back. OCing these cards yourself is not only going to be cheaper, but it's actually fun to tweak it yourself.

As for the PSUs linked, they're all Corsair just HX vs TX. The HX versions are a little "better" because of modular connections and I think there's fan control or something. The TX line is great tho, really don't need to spend more unless hiding the wires is an issue.

 

[Erik Van Hoof]

this is the regular one:

http://www.alternate.be/html/product/Grafische_kaarten_ATI_Radeon_HD5000/XFX/HD5870_A_vs_P/409199/?baseId=679953

oh and about 5 seconds ago i found out today the I5 760 came out... but it is priced even 10€ LESS then the 750, anyone has any knowledge about it?

you are all hero's thx for the help

 

[wolfram23]

this is the regular one:

http://www.alternate.be/html/product/Grafische_kaarten_ATI_Radeon_HD5000/XFX/HD5870_A_vs_P/409199/?baseId=679953

oh and about 5 seconds ago i found out today the I5 760 came out... but it is priced even 10€ LESS then the 750, anyone has any knowledge about it?

you are all hero's thx for the help

Cool, never heard of it. However a quick google turned up a Guru3D article. Very short, basically says it is the exact same CPU just the clock is at 2.8ghz instead of 2.66ghz.

 

[Erik Van Hoof]

yeah, thats what i know as well but then why the f is it cheaper? they can't be that stupid now can they?

 

[wolfram23]

It shouldn't be, the site listed it as being about $20 more. Maybe it's a new release sale or something?

 

[Erik Van Hoof]

no idea, i have about 2 weeks left to figure it all out, then i buy my computer and go become associal

 

[wolfram23]

Well, considering it seems the only difference is that the 760 is at 2.8ghz, I really wouldn't bother with it. Unless it's cheaper... haha. But yeah, 2.8ghz is peanuts. Super easy to achieve.

 

[Erik Van Hoof]

i'll see whats the best when i order my comp

but back to my previous question
standard HD 5870:
http://www.alternate.be/html/produ [...] eId=679953

vapor X HD 5870:
http://www.alternate.be/html/product/Grafische_kaarten_ATI_Radeon_HD5000/Sapphire/HD5870_Vapor-X/439941/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Grafische+kaarten&l2=PCIe+kaarten+ATI&l3=Radeon+HD5000

the vapor x blows hot air back into the case is a fact but with 1x200mm fan and 5 - 7x 120mm fans... it should not heat my computer i think hehe

 

[Wisecracker]

You have spec'ed a great system but for gaming bang for the buck (Euro? ) the Asus M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 and Phenom 955BE C3 is well worth a look. You may even save some Euros with an 890FX mobo like the Asus M4A89TD PRO/USB3.

And it looks as if you may easily save 30 percent or more on your RAMs without impacting your gaming.

That all frees up enough funds for either an SSD or a big bump in your graphics budget.

And regardless of where you go with your system build, the folks here will be more than happy to assist you with a "free" performance upgrade (an OC !) that will bring out the best in your system.

 

[Erik Van Hoof]

I can't find the assus mobo's on the belgian site

how can i save 30% on my ram?

thx and i don't like to delete programs so i don't know about the ssd + a better screen is my next priority i think