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September 28, 2010 7:50:55 AM

Approximate Purchase Date: ~ October 10th.
Budget Range: $575USD ($600AUD, I'm based in Australia).
Parts Not Required: Keyboard, Mouse, Monitor, Case, DVD Drive, HDD, OS.
Preferred Website(s) for Parts: http://www.centrecom.com.au/ OR http://msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
Country of Origin: Australia.
Primary Use: Gaming! Battlefield; Bad Company 2, World of Warcraft, other FPS games, should they arise.
Parts Preferences: Asus by brand, Intel CPU, any reliable GPU brand, Corsair RAM.
Overclocking: Maybe.
SLI or Crossfire: Maybe ~ 2 months after purchasing.
Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080 @ 60Hz, Asus VE246H dual monitors.
Additional Comments: I'm posting this to get a gauge on how overpriced http://centrecom.com.au/ is for the most part, but also to see if it's possible to get a PC to run BFBC2 at around ~ 50FPS for the aforementioned price.

I also FRAPS A LOT, so if being able to FRAPS means spending an additional ~ $100, I'll probably do it.

This PC is not for -me-, but I'm building it on someone else' behalf, as they cannot afford to go 'all out' and build a beastly rig just yet.

So far I've come up with the following; I know it's over my budget, but I seriously can't think of any other options if I want to reach my goal, other than waiting another month for more funds.

CPU: this @ $229.00AUD ($219.5423 USD).
MOBO: this @ $118.80AUD ($113.89356 USD).
RAM: this (x2) @ $257.40AUD ($246.76938 USD) OR this @ $209AUD ($200.3683 USD) (in conjunction with this @ $247AUD ($236.7989 USD).
GPU: this @ $224.40AUD ($215.13228 USD).
PSU: this @ $89.10AUD ($85.42017 USD).

Total(s) :: $918.60 AUD or $998.50 AUD(if I chose the secondary RAM & Mobo) ($880.66182 USD or $957.26195 USD).

For RAM, I'd prefer a triple kit @ 7-7-7-20, assuming it's going to be possible to find a Triple Channel MOBO & ~ 4-6GB of DDR3 (7-7-7-20) RAM.

Thanks in advance.

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September 28, 2010 7:55:04 AM

Also,

- I have two spare 1GB Corsair XMS2 DDR2 5-5-5-18 sticks if you think they'd suffice for the rig posted above, though personally I highly doubt it, heh.
- If anyone knows where I can find a brand new one of these in Australia, Melbourne, VIC - let me know please.

Thanks.

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September 28, 2010 8:10:33 AM

I stumbled upon this - I'm willing to use AMD & ATi parts if it means I'll reach my goal for the $~600 I mentioned in my first post.

The reasoning for wanting to stick to Intel and Asus respectively, is based on personal experience only. The only ATi card I ever had (Sapphire X800), died on me the same week I bought it, just started tearing and glitching hard. >.>

To repliers; if you feel it's necessary, feel free to go completely off-track and list and/or recommend parts that are out of my comfort zone, so to speak, as long as you can provide a good reference or review, I'm willing to give it a stab.
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September 28, 2010 8:30:23 AM

Added an additional PC hardware website, they have slightly cheaper hardware.

Also contemplating this (1GB one, not the 768MB), so I can later buy another, and setup SLi. If I did end up buying a second GTX460, I'd also be purchasing this.

Would buying the 1GB version cause problems whilst gaming if I used 1920x1080 @ 60Hz if AA was enabled?
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September 28, 2010 9:44:37 AM

this @ $229.00AUD ($219.5423 USD). vs. this @ $209.00AUD ($200.3683 USD).

I know it's only a $20 difference, but chopping and changing across the board could save upwards of ~ $80.

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September 28, 2010 10:02:13 AM

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/1729/budgetrig2.png

That's the best I could do - seeing as 99.99% of you will be from the USA, I'll whip up some quick price conversions.

CPU: $209 Australian dollars -> $219.5423 U.S. dollars.
PSU: $89.10 Australian dollars -> $85.42017 U.S. dollars.
MOBO: $103.40 Australian dollars -> $99.12958 U.S. dollars.
RAM: $128.70 Australian dollars -> $123.38469 U.S. dollars
GPU: $261 Australian dollars -> $250.2207 U.S. dollars.

Total :: $791.20 AUD, which is $758.52344 USD.

If I chose this instead of the 1GB GTX 460, the total would then come to $745.80 AUD ($714.99846 USD).

Hope this helps. Sorry for all the edits, this is my final 'design', if you will. Looks like I'm either going to have to get a cheaper GPU or wait another month or so before building. The only other thing I can think of is removing the Antec PSU from the equation and using his PCs current 450W Ritmo piece of ***. :p 
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September 28, 2010 10:30:54 AM

Asus M4A87TD-USB3
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?pr...
Athlon II X4 Quad Core 640
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?pr...
Kingston DDR3 2GB PC-10600/1333 CL9
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?pr...
(you add one more stick later)
Corsair CX-400 400W
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?pr...
Gigabyte NVIDIA N460OC-1GI GTX460, 1GB
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?so...

$618.80

No SLI or crossfire in your budget but the video card is powerful enough.



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September 28, 2010 10:44:04 AM

According to Centrecom; http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?pr...
Quote:
Memory
4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1600/1333/1066 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel memory architecture
* DDR3 Memory Ultra Low Voltage support
** Due to OS limitation, when installing total memory of 4GB capacity or more, Windows® 32-bit operation system may only recognize less than 3GB. Hence, a total installed memory of less than 3GB is recommended.


And also, is it worth buying the Phemon 965 if I'm going to get the 955, or not?

The RAM you listed is 9-9-9-24. How much difference is there going to be in games like BFBC2?
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September 28, 2010 10:57:37 AM

The 965 is the 955 clocked a little higher. You can do that to the 955 in the BIOS in 2 seconds, it's a black edition and extremely easy to overclock but you don't need that the CPU is fast enough.

No difference, only in benchmarks.

his is CL8 but isn't worth the difference.

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?so...

With the difference you can get this PSU:

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?so...

but the 400W one is OK for that rig.





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September 28, 2010 10:58:51 AM

Corsair DDR3 4GB PC-10600/1333 (2x XMS3 2GB) TW3X4G1333C9DHX Ram

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?pr...

EVGA NVIDIA GTX460 PCIE 2.0, 768MB, DDR5, 192bit, DVI-I, DVI-I, Mini-HDMI (768-P3-1360-KR)

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?pr...

Asus M4A87TD-USB3 AMD Mainboard - 4x DDR3 / 6x Sata Raid / Gigabit Lan / AM3

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?pr...

Corsair CX-400 400W ATX Power Supply

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?pr...

AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 3.20GHz 8MB Cache (AM3) - Black Edition

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?pr...

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Total: $687.10

How would that run?
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September 28, 2010 11:02:24 AM

That RAM is the same only it has some fancy heat spreaders. Stick with the 1GB video card for your resolution and the 400CX is very good for your system.
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September 28, 2010 11:05:54 AM

mosox said:
That RAM is the same only it has some fancy heat spreaders. Stick with the 1GB video card for your resolution and the 400CX is very good for your system.
Ima' use the RAM that I listed in my previous reply.

Does it matter which 1GB GTX 460** I get, or should I just get the $264 one you listed? I was thinking of getting the ASUS one for $261. Just better luck with ASUS, is all.
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September 28, 2010 11:10:27 AM

Kay, ima' buy it next week then.

Thanks a lot for the help. I'll be ordering it on Oct 4th, and collecting it on Oct 6th.

Lemme know if you think I should change anything prior to the 4th. :) 
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September 28, 2010 11:47:40 AM

How much should I sell this for?

CPU: i7 920 (2.66GHz x4, 8MB cache).
Case: Thermaltake Xaser V 6000A Full ATX case.
Mobo: Asus MAXIMUS-III-EXTREME MOBO - 4x DDR3, 6x Sata2, Gigabit Lan, LGA 1156.
RAM: Corsair DDR3 8GB PC-10600/1333 (4x XMS3 2GB)
GPU(s): GTX295 SLi - 1792 MB GDDR3 per card, total of 3584 MB.
Monitor: 24" Asus VE246H 2MS, 50000:1 CR HDMI HD LCD.
PSU: Corsair HX-750 750W Modular-PSU.

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September 28, 2010 12:03:49 PM

Yeah, the rig I've built in this thread is for a mate. I built my PC just under 2 years ago, looking at rebuilding altogether for Medal of Honor in November.

I've heard the 1GB GTX460 is better than the HD 5850 - also heard that the 5850 is a lot more power hungry.

Your thoughts?
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September 28, 2010 12:23:43 PM

Nope, HD5850 is better and has about the same power consumption, cooler too. But probably isn't worth the price difference.

Wait, is this the Asus?
http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?so...

Something wrong with it, in the title it says 1GB, in the specs it says GDDR5 768MB.

Here are the two of them:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Yep, the blue box is 768, the green box is 1GB.

http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?so...

But at that price get the HD 5850 IMO.
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September 28, 2010 12:58:48 PM

My options are;

this in a week or so.
or
this in 3 weeks, as I'd have to get a bigger PSU (I think?).
or
this, which is just a voltage tweaked 1GB GTX 460, right?

If I'm going to get the GTX 465, I'll probably use this anyway.
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September 28, 2010 1:23:31 PM

I found a shitload of 1GB GTX 460 ranging from $250-$260 AUD.

this @ 255. Brand = ECS.
this @ 257. Brand = Amaze.
this @ $259.46. Brand = Galaxy.
this @ $258. Brand = Gigabyte.
this @ $251.90. Brand = LeadTek.
this @ $254.00. Brand = Gigabyte.

I've only ever had good experiences with ASUS and Gigabyte cards, but if you can find anything else at a cheaper price, that you would buy yourself, let me know.

You can assume this is a firm tentative "Screw the 5850!" :p 

At a $50 difference, I assume even you'd go with the 1GB GTX 460 > 1GB HD 5850 if you were on a similar budget? Another thing, the HD 5850 you listed says "Chipset (GPU): ATI Radeon™ HD 5800", is this right? Or another cheap ass Australian sales method?
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September 28, 2010 1:32:25 PM

Sorry about that, it seems they don't have the Asus 460 1Gb in there I was looking for a green box. The 465 (i linked thinking it was the 460) are no good, stay away from them.

The Gigabyte should be this one
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The HIS is this one:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Read the customer reviews. That corsair CX400 should do but if you can get the VX450 it's even better (the VX 450 is a Seasonic 500W so more room for future upgrades). The 5850 consumes a tad less power than the 460 1GB in full, the 465 is very power hungry.



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September 28, 2010 1:36:36 PM

Using http://msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf - I built the exact same PC as the one we've discussed in this thread, for $715.00 AUD.

The only thing I changed was the PSU, I chose the Corsair VX450 instead.

CPU = AM3 x4 Phemon 955 @ $159.
MOBO = Asus M4A87TD-USB3 @110.
GPU = 1G GTX460 Asus @ $262.
RAM = 4G Kitddr3 1333 Kingston @ $98.
PSU = Corsair VX450 @ $85.

Total of $715.00 AUD.

Thoughts?

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September 28, 2010 1:41:26 PM

Stay away from that PSU.
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September 28, 2010 1:48:50 PM

jerdvproductions said:
What are your thoughts on http://msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf thus far?


I would like to shot the guy who made that page AND dance on his grave.
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September 28, 2010 1:50:22 PM

mosox said:
I would like to shot the guy who made that page AND dance on his grave.
HAHAHAHA.
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September 29, 2010 5:05:01 AM

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The following @ http://msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
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CPU: AM3 x4 Phemon 955 @ $159.
MOBO: Asus M4A87TD-USB3 @110.
GPU: 1G GTX460 Asus @ $262.
RAM: 4G Kitddr3 1333 Kingston @ $98.
PSU: Corsair VX450 @ $85.

Total of $715.00 AUD.
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The following @ http://www.centrecom.com.au/
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CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 3.20GHz 8MB Cache (AM3) - Black Edition @ $169.00
MOBO: Asus M4A87TD-USB3 AMD Mainboard - 4x DDR3 / 6x Sata Raid / Gigabit Lan / AM3 @ $110.00
GPU: Gigabyte NVIDIA N460OC-1GI GTX460, 1GB, GDDR5, PCIE 2.0, DX11, 2DVI, HDMI @ $264.00
RAM: Corsair DDR3 4GB PC-10600/1333 (2x XMS3 2GB) TW3X4G1333C9DHX Ram @ $128.
PSU: Corsair CX-400 400W ATX Power Supply @ $63.80

Total of $735.50 AUD.
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Which should I buy? The only thing I'm willing to change is GPU, assuming I can find one cheaper, that will still allow me to run WoW, BFBC2, BFBC2: Vietnam and MoH @ 1920x1080 - 60Hz.
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September 29, 2010 5:57:46 AM

Check this out. They reckon the VX450 won't do the job if I were to OC the Phemon x4 955 to ~4.0GHz, would you be inclined to agree? Or are they retarded?
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September 29, 2010 5:59:22 AM

Also, what have your experiences with ATi cards been like? Mine have all died, really skeptical about buying an ATi card unless you can bet your left nut that it won't screw up on me. ><
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September 29, 2010 6:08:35 AM

I had a ton of cards both Nvidia and ATI, now I have two ATI, both very good, a 5750 and a 5850. Get Nvidia if you like them more. The VX 450 will power your rig no matter how you OC it.

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September 29, 2010 6:08:55 AM

I think I'll just get the 1GB Gigabyte GTX 460, and buy a second one later, and SLi em'. I don't mind that I'll have to upgrade other things, such as MOBO and maybe even PSU, cause funds won't be anywhere as much of an issue at that stage.

For the time being, I just want to get a stable PC to run BFBC2 and WoW on ultra settings, without feeling like I'm watching a scratched DVD.
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September 29, 2010 6:28:15 AM

jerdvproductions said:
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http://msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf
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CPU: AM3 x4 Phemon 955 @ $159.
MOBO: Asus M4A87TD-USB3 @110.
GPU: 1G GTX460 Asus @ $262.
RAM: 4G Kit DDR3 G.Skill-Ripjaws 1333MHz @ $105.
PSU: Corsair VX450 @ $85.

Total of $721.00 AUD.
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http://www.centrecom.com.au/
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CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 955 3.20GHz 8MB Cache (AM3) - Black Edition @ $169.00
MOBO: Asus M4A87TD-USB3 AMD Mainboard - 4x DDR3 / 6x Sata Raid / Gigabit Lan / AM3 @ $110.00
GPU: Gigabyte NVIDIA N460OC-1GI GTX460, 1GB, GDDR5, PCIE 2.0, DX11, 2DVI, HDMI @ $264.00
RAM: Corsair DDR3 4GB PC-10600/1333 (2x XMS3 2GB) TW3X4G1333C9DHX Ram @ $128.
PSU: Corsair VX-450 450W ATX Power Supply @ $88.

Total of $757.50 AUD.
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The final builds.

I'm leaning toward the MSY side of things. It's cheaper, closer to home, and I've purchased 5 24"+ LCD monitors, 2 cases, 3 optical drives and 2 GPUs from them in the past - so far, so good.

Thanks for all the help, really appreciate it. I'll PM you if I have anymore questions, you seem to enjoy helpin' bruthas out. :p 

Final question - is there a non 'Black Edition' Phenom II X4 955?, I don't want to get fooled by MSYs' laziness with regards to hardware descriptions on their website. If so, will the non-Black Edition CPU have a lesser potential in any (if not all) aspect(s)?
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September 29, 2010 6:39:18 AM

OK, glad I could help, MSY sounds good. How much is a big bad crocodile in there, I want to get a pet for my mother-in-law.
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September 29, 2010 6:43:37 AM

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September 29, 2010 6:45:53 AM

mosox said:
OK, glad I could help, MSY sounds good. How much is a big bad crocodile in there, I want to get a pet for my mother-in-law.

LMFAO. Good question man, I'm from New Zealand, so I wouldn't know. You have no idea how much I *** myself when I go to the country, though - Kangaroos, snakes, crocodiles ... you name it.

About a week ago I was at this cafe in a junction near the edge of town, this GIANT ASS cockatoo landed on my shoulder and shared my french fries with me .. I freaked, cause it came from behind. ><
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