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September 28, 2010 5:19:09 PM

I built this computer 2 and a half years ago as a means of PC gaming without a very strong rig. It works for nearly all video games up until just 3 months ago when APB came out and Final Fantasy XIV Beta (Which is now released.) I need to upgrade some components to keep up with the games. My uneducated opinion (I am having a hard time evolving with the new OS choices and memory restrictions) would be that I need more memory and more processing power.

This is my rig:

Sunbeam Silent Storm IC-SS-SVBK Black/Silver Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

BIOSTAR A770 A2+ AM2+/AM2 AMD 770 ATX AMD Motherboard

EVGA 384-P3-N853-AR GeForce 8800GS Superclocked 384MB 192-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card

APEVIA ATX-CW500WP4 500W ATX Power Supply

AMD Athlon 64 X2 4800+ Brisbane 2.5GHz Socket AM2 65W Dual-Core Processor ADO4800DOBOX

Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996527

Western Digital Caviar SE WD1200AAJS 120GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive

SAMSUNG 20X DVD±R DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S203B - OEM

Built for $500 from newegg.com. The memory is some trash memory I bought at Microcenter in NJ b.c my friend had to take back his spare memory and I needed something to turn it on. That something turned into a permanent option..
My Computer says its 2.00 GB of Ram but my games won't recognize more than 1.499. I am not sure how to attach my DxDiag but I will try to find a way before I create the thread.

The issue I am posting about. I am on a tight budget but playing newer games is becoming less enjoyable. Anything AFTER Modern Warfare 2 is pretty much unplayable without extremely low frame rates and choppy performance. FFXIV experiences lag not caused by network issues and it affects combat which is at least 1/3 of the game. If I could choose one component off the following list to do the most good for upgrading the computer what would a professional recommend? Keep in mind that I am trying to change from AMD to Intel so processor changes would require a new motherboard as well. Regardless I plan on rebuilding a new PC so any of these parts are fine to choose from because eventually I will be purchasing all of it.

EVGA 01G-P3-1465-AR GeForce GTX 465 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Mushkin Enhanced Redline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor BX80601930

The new motherboard:

EVGA 121-BL-E756-TR LGA 1366 Intel X58 Micro ATX SLI Micro Intel Motherboard

The new case because my old case probably won't fit the new components:

Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case


The DxDiag

If anyone else has a recommendation for a way to improve the quality of gaming with Final Fantasy XIV specifically based on my rig please feel free to let me know.

The specs for it are:

Final Fantasy XIV System Requirements

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September 28, 2010 6:20:17 PM

Well I took a look at you video card specs and performance...
I would have to say you should upgrade your video card first.

On a particular benchmark I was looking at...
You video card would get less than 47 FPS
My last generation video card would get 104 FPS
The one you have chosen should get over 121 FPS
(This benchmark, is for a game that is NOT new and NOT demanding)

I reccomend the new GTX 465 as your upgrade.
Save the other upgrades for the new build.

FYI, The RAM should get you by for now but you need both, more RAM and a faster CPU.

Honestly I wouldn't upgrade the whole system...
This is a 2.8 GHz Quad Core CPU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I know the i7 is faster but this one is a lot cheaper and you wouldn't have to buy a new motherboard.

This would be an even better option if they get it back in stock. (OR if you find it elsewhere)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also...
This memory could be used.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For a lot less money you would have a much faster computer.
Personally I am using a Phenom II X4 @ 3.2 GHz there is not 1 game or application that runs slow. The one I pointed out to you is only 200 MHz lower (not much of a difference). RAM speed won't make much of a difference having MORE ram will though.

BTW
Those are the highest reccomendations I've ever seen in my life. (and I'm a computer technician). Anyways, you should be going by the minimum system requirements. As long as you are WELL above those you won't have a problem running the game with nice details enabled. Your video card doesn't meet the minimum, your CPU and RAM does though. With the less expensive upgrades I suggested you could EASILY play Final Fantasy Online.

Just food for thought I guess. I know the i7 is a bit faster so if you have your heart set on it I won't advise against it. It is indeed a good CPU. (just kinda spendy if you ask me plus you add the cost of the motherboard and WHOA..)
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September 28, 2010 6:26:25 PM

Your case will handle the new system fine. All ATX motherboards are the same size.

Get a 460 (1GB) not a 465. The performance is about the same but the 460 takes less power and generates less heat.

Thats an old motherboard model. This is the new version with USB3/SATA3 at the same price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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September 28, 2010 6:28:15 PM

dndhatcher said:
Your case will handle the new system fine. All ATX motherboards are the same size.

Get a 460 (1GB) not a 465. The performance is about the same but the 460 takes less power and generates less heat.

Thats an old motherboard model. This is the new version with USB3/SATA3 at the same price.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



I agree, get the 460 instead. You won't notice a difference in performance.
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September 28, 2010 6:31:13 PM

Id Recommend an i7-950, its $20 more than a 930 last i looked. that being said you'd need to change almost all components. You'd need a new motherboard/ram/psu and graphics card i would go with gtx 460. the Sli option is phenominial and it is the best bang for your buck gpu out today. but to upgrade your current system get the gtx 460. here are a few options/compared

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007671%20600005573&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=343%7C19-115-225%5E19-115-225-TS%2C19-115-211%5E19-115-211-TS

MOBO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007627%20600007887%20600007912&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=280%7C13-131-359%5E13-131-359-TS%2C13-128-422%5E13-128-422-TS%2C13-131-666%5E13-131-666-TS
Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007583%2050001516&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=7%7C11-129-043%5E11-129-043-TS%2C11-129-064%5E11-129-064-TS%2C11-129-058%5E11-129-058-TS%2C11-129-021%5E11-129-021-TS
PSU-took the modular route for cable management
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007657%20600014023&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=58%7C17-371-022%5E17-371-022-TS%2C17-139-016%5E17-139-016-TS%2C17-139-010%5E17-139-010-TS
GPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submit=ENE&N=100007709%20600007323%20600062521%20600007779&IsNodeId=1&bop=And&CompareItemList=48%7C14-130-570%5E14-130-570-TS%2C14-127-518%5E14-127-518-TS%2C14-127-510%5E14-127-510-TS%2C14-125-333%5E14-125-333-TS
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September 28, 2010 8:37:57 PM

Thank you so much for the help everyone!

I was worried I would have to buy a brand new computer. The game runs very choppily at the moment and it brought back memories of scrambling to build this one two years ago.

I will take some of those comparisons into considering when I am finally able to rebuild the whole thing.

As far as the graphics card being the best upgrade I appreciate that advice. Wasn't sure which one would make the biggest difference. The graphics look amazing at 1920x1080. However, the UI lags very badly to the point of bugs and glitches that noone else I know is experiencing (except people on the forums like me who have outdated PCs).

Thanks again everyone, and if anybody is interested I have a free 30-day buddy pass if someone wants to come check the game out. :-)
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September 28, 2010 8:38:30 PM

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