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September 29, 2010 1:34:07 AM

Yea, I'm a newbie to building computers.And I have no clue all the parts I need in computers. Some dude was encouraging me to buy a card for a PC for $400. Turns out it managed speed of hard drives or something, I have no idea.

Anyways, that is besides the point! I want to junk this outdated computer of mine, since an Intel Celeron D 360 and a GTS 250 don't mix nicely. And the motherboard is really outdated... it makes me feel poor.

So, I've decided time to build a new PC to tackle my computer addiction, this includes internet surfing, 3d design, GMOD, WoW, games, and everything in between. But I mainly just want a gaming computer.

Here are the items:
Motherboard - $140 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435
Video Card - $170 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130562&cm_re=NVidia_gtx_460-_-14-130-562-_-Product
Processor - $260 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... [/url]
RAM - $190 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145261&cm_re=2_GB_Ram-_-20-145-261-_-Product
DVD/CD drive- $20 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106276&cm_re=DVD_drive_internal_sata-_-27-106-276-_-Product
1000W Power Supply- $190 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171049&cm_re=Power_Supply_1000w-_-17-171-049-_-Product
Hard Drve - $60 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148445&cm_re=750_GB_internal-_-22-148-445-_-Product
Case - $150 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=11-129-087&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo
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$1180


Ok I have a few questions:

1. Will all this fit inside the case
2. Are all the things compatible with eachother?
3. Does this motherbaord support SLI? I want to hook up 2 460s, if not can you point me to a awesome one taht supports AMD Phenom II x6 and NVidia cards?

I'm still questioning the case, I would like 3.0 USB, but the case looks so damn sexy. If anybody can point me to some sexy red LED cases that has USB 3.0, I would love you forever and build a gold statue of you (not really, but you get the point).

Thanks so much in advance!!

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September 29, 2010 1:50:02 AM

mafiaboss1337 said:
Yea, I'm a newbie to building computers.And I have no clue all the parts I need in computers. Some dude was encouraging me to buy a card for a PC for $400. Turns out it managed speed of hard drives or something, I have no idea.

Anyways, that is besides the point! I want to junk this outdated computer of mine, since an Intel Celeron D 360 and a GTS 250 don't mix nicely. And the motherboard is really outdated... it makes me feel poor.

So, I've decided time to build a new PC to tackle my computer addiction, this includes internet surfing, 3d design, GMOD, WoW, games, and everything in between. But I mainly just want a gaming computer.

Here are the items:
Motherboard - $140 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128435
Video Card - $170 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130562&cm_re=NVidia_gtx_460-_-14-130-562-_-Product
Processor - $260 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
RAM - $190 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145261&cm_re=2_GB_Ram-_-20-145-261-_-Product
DVD/CD drive- $20 - uurl]http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
1000W Power Supply- $190 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817171049&cm_re=Power_Supply_1000w-_-17-171-049-_-Product
Hard Drve - $60 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148445&cm_re=750_GB_internal-_-22-148-445-_-Product
Case - $150 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=11-129-087&SortField=0&SummaryType=0&PageSize=10&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&IsFeedbackTab=true#scrollFullInfo
_____________________
$1180


Ok I have a few questions:

1. Will all this fit inside the case
2. Are all the things compatible with eachother?
3. Does this motherbaord support SLI? I want to hook up 2 460s, if not can you point me to a awesome one taht supports AMD Phenom II x6 and NVidia cards?

I'm still questioning the case, I would like 3.0 USB, but the case looks so damn sexy. If anybody can point me to some sexy red LED cases that has USB 3.0, I would love you forever and build a gold statue of you (not really, but you get the point).

Thanks so much in advance!!
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That case is massive, can't imagine having space issues with it... That said, it seems like you may be able to do better for $150- which is a pretty high case budget. It seems like you are narrowing your options for USB 3.0, which while it seems like a nice convenience- are you really going to benefit from having a USB 3 input in the front? idk, a nice feature to have- but not worth ruling out some other great (and possibly better) cases. That said, this still seems like a fine case to me.

imo: this is the case you are looking for: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or, if you don't mind blue LED's you can get: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

which also has a $30 discount through tonight... Both are fantastic cases.

Edit: Also, it doesn't appear (at first glance) that your build is a very cost efficient one. You are likely overspending in some unnecessary areas and creating a bottleneck that could be raised with the same budget.

Quick thoughts (someone please correct me if I am wrong).

1.) $1200 seems a bit excessive for an AMD build. Usually when going AMD you are going value, and are often targetting $800 or less. For your budget, a very nice Intel build could be had (though I won't suggest it, as perhaps you really like AMD). It seems like the 6 core Thuban processor that you chose may be excessive for gaming, as most games can only utilize 2 cores, with some running 4.

2.) 2x2 GB RAM would get you started better, you're getting diminishing returns with 8GB.
3.) No Need for a 1000W PSU unless you're planning 3 way SLI- which your board cannot do (I assume at the price, honestly I didnt look =). Get a nice Corsair, Seasonic, or XFX for ~$130 650-750W.
4.) As configured, it looks like your video card is the bottleneck- I'd recommend at least stepping up to the 1GB version of teh GTX 460. There is no good reason to only spend $170 on your graphics card in a $1200 gaming build... its the most important piece!
September 29, 2010 2:16:32 AM

I pick AMD because I want a nice six core for future gaming (I don't plan on upgrading for at least 1 or 2 years, unless something super awesome comes out)

I chose the 1000w because, again, I'm planning for the future, and when I build my next PC I don't have to spend $160 dollars for a 1000w to fit in that Octacore Processor and GTX 950. I picked the coolmaster because toms hardware picked it for one of their top PC builds... and I trust Tom's Hardware ALOT.

I could harvest my 4 GB ram from my current CPU, but it is DDR2 rather than DDR3, but then again you have a valid point. I could knock off $200 and spend it toward other ones.

The motherboard doesn't support SLI :( . Then I'll have to go with the $160 dollar one.

And yea, I don't really know what a "1gb version of GTX 460" means, I mean isn't a 460 a 460?

I want to go with AMD because spending $700 on a hexacore processor seems like a rip... but I don't want to go with ATI because it seems to me there FPS stutters, like 20 FPS on a ATI card isn't smooth as a GTX card with 20 FPS.

Thanks for the case selections, although I'm not quite sure if I should spend $150 on a case if I could save 75 and have it go towared something else.
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September 29, 2010 2:41:26 AM

Some 460's have 768 MB memory, some have 1GB.

katiklysm isn't suggesting you harvest your RAM (which wouldn't work anyway). But that you get 2x2GB instead of 4x2GB. It could save you around $90 to put towards something else (like a better GPU).

If you're serious about upgrading in 1 or 2 years that X6 Thuban is overkill for current gaming needs, in 1 to 2 years when you replace it will just be starting to get utilized. If it was me I'd either plan on keeping it or if I knew I was going to upgrade in 1 or 2 years I'd get something cheaper now (but still not be a bottleneck) and then in 1 or 2 years get whatever was relevant at that time.

EDIT: Two great sites for PSU reviews are http://www.jonnyguru.com and http://www.hardwaresecrets.com
JG happens to have a review of the CM 1000. It's worth a read: http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
He has some good things to say about the unit, and some bad. If you look around there are other much better candidates. (see katiklysms comments).
September 29, 2010 2:56:07 AM

I would make several changes to your build, but im going to handle some of your questions at the same time. If you want SLI you should really go with Intel, their chipsets are better than the nVidia chipsets for AMD boards.

You dont need a 6 core for gaming now and you wont for probably 4-5 years, the AMD 6 core CPUs also arent great at gaming, they are often beaten by their cheaper 4 cored counterparts and beaten often by an i5 760 in gaming as it usually only needs 2-4 cores.

There are 2 main versions of the GTX 460, one has 768MB of onboard ram, the other has 1GB of onboard memory and a slightly larger memory bus which gives it better performance at higher resolutions and even more so when in SLI compared to the 768MB version.

Here is what i would suggest.

Intel i7 870 $280
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS P7P55D EVO $145
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

EVGA GTX 460 1GB $230 - $25 MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS DVD Burner $19
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GSkill Ripjaw 2x2GB 1600MHz/XFX 850W PSU $205 - $15MIR
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Samsung F3 1TB $75 - $16 promocode
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You can keep the DF-85 if you want for $150, it will hold anything you want. That all comes out to 1105 before $40 in MIR and $16 in promo codes and will beat the one you started with at just about everything.
September 29, 2010 11:08:42 AM

No, I want to go with AMD for the future. I'm not really guranteeing a 1-2 year mark, in fact I shouldn't have even said that, because it messed people up.

I plan on /upgrading/ my computer, such as sticking a new video card in ever 1 - 2 years

Working on a new build now... so someone close this threat. Thank you.
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