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BEST graphic card for my comp!!? HELP

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August 18, 2010 6:24:32 AM

mobo: GIGABYTE GA-G31M-ES2L LGA 775

cpu: intel pentium e5200 @ 2.5ghz stepping 6

ram: 4 gig ddr 2 (400mhz)

Psu: 350W (willing to change if required)

right now GPU is nvidia Geforce 8400gs (512mb)

i feel lag with 19inch monitor when i play
so please recommend me some good Video card under ~150$ budget? ~100 preferrerd
should i change the psu?

i want to play sc2 on high settings so please give me advice

thnx

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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 18, 2010 6:36:01 AM

An HD5670 will be good for a 19" monitor and will work on a 350w PSU;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It is many times more powerful than your current card. You should also overclock that CPU. It can easily get up to 3.3ghz on the stock cooler and then it should be good for pretty much all current games.
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a b U Graphics card
August 18, 2010 6:53:06 AM

Star Craft 2 :PC Requirements

PC Minimum System Requirements*:


Windows® XP/Windows Vista®/Windows® 7 (Updated with the latest Service Packs) with DirectX® 9.0c
2.6 GHz Pentium® IV or equivalent AMD Athlon® processor
128 MB PCIe NVIDIA® GeForce® 6600 GT or ATI Radeon® 9800 PRO video card or better
12 GB available HD space
1 GB RAM (1.5 GB required for Windows Vista®/Windows® 7 users)
DVD-ROM drive
Broadband Internet connection
1024X720 minimum display resolution

PC Recommended Specifications:

Windows Vista®/Windows® 7
Dual Core 2.4Ghz Processor
2 GB RAM
512 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800 GTX or ATI Radeon® HD 3870 or better


Star Craft 2 is very CPU intensive and with a E5200 single core, is not sufficient enough, don't even think you'll be able to play properly at low settings!! It gets worse, There isn't a card under $100 that would be able to play the game at high settings! I would recommend a E8500 Core 2 Duo @ 3.16Ghz (can easily and safely overclock to 3.45Ghz on standard fan and heatsink)

Ram looks like you have enough, but the speed of the RAM will not work, I wouldn't recommend Ram under DDR3 @ 1333 mhz, that would mean a new motherboard

then for the GPU, I would recommend nothing less than a GTX 460/470, or a 5000 series card in ATI (thats if you're an ATI fan)


but...but.... we'll need power! I would recommend nothing less than 600/650W PSU.


sorry to say but there's a lot that must be done to your system, to even play the game! To give you an idea, with my settings above, you'll probably play the game just a bit more than medium settings, to play the game in high settings, you'll need a real monster!!

monsters are expensive!

just my thought

Dane


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August 18, 2010 6:54:52 AM

jyjjy said:
An HD5670 will be good for a 19" monitor and will work on a 350w PSU;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
It is many times more powerful than your current card. You should also overclock that CPU. It can easily get up to 3.3ghz on the stock cooler and then it should be good for pretty much all current games.


hi i do no tknoe how to overclock the cpu
if u could could u please teach me how to safely? and durably overclock it?
thnx
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August 18, 2010 6:57:55 AM

isnt 1gig better than 512mb gpu?
since i kind hav big monitor with med resolution
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August 18, 2010 6:59:59 AM

Dane Bouwer said:
Star Craft 2 :PC Requirements


512 MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8800 GTX or ATI Radeon® HD 3870 or better


Star Craft 2 is very CPU intensive and with a E5200 single core, is not sufficient enough,

Dane


E5200 is dual core as far as i know. its old cpu lol
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August 18, 2010 7:11:48 AM

Helltech said:
Don't listen to him, your e5200 should be fine, I play starcraft with my 4800+ guest machine and its a tier belows yours...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-gaming-cpu-cor...


pardon? the kid wants to play the game in high! you gonna get it out of that rig?

if you do, post something on youtube, I wanna see it!! hopefully you can stop me from laughing!

@ hpx2io: listen bru, you wanna play the game in high? or play the game better than what you're trying to play the game?

by the way, Tom's has an excellent CPU overclocking course/forum that i followed back in the day to safely overclock your CPU, and understand what you're doing before you do it!! It's really good, and will show you step by step!!

the best would to overclock if you wanna save money (I was mistaken, the E5200 is a Dual Core, got confused with another model, for that AND FOR THAT ALONE I apologise!

just my thought

Dane


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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 18, 2010 7:18:36 AM

Dane Bouwer said:
sorry to say but there's a lot that must be done to your system, to even play the game!

The E5200 is a wolfdale core 2 duo processor just like the E8500 you are recommending. The ONLY difference between the two processors is the amount of L2 cache and the stock speed Intel decided to sell them at. When it is OCed it can handle pretty much all current games and definitely SC2.
Also a GTX 460 is WAY more powerful than he needs on a 19" monitor which is almost definitely 1440x900 or 1280x1024. The HD5670 is entirely appropriate for his resolution and will perform well in all games short of perhaps Crysis and Metro 2033.
You really shouldn't go around telling people they need a whole new system if you don't know what you are talking about.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 18, 2010 7:22:20 AM

Dane Bouwer said:
pardon? the kid wants to play the game in high! you gonna get it out of that rig?

if you do, post something on youtube, I wanna see it!! hopefully you can stop me from laughing!

@ hpx2io: listen bru, you wanna play the game in high? or play the game better than what you're trying to play the game?

by the way, Tom's has an excellent CPU overclocking course/forum that i followed back in the day to safely overclock your CPU, and understand what you're doing before you do it!! It's really good, and will show you step by step!!

the best would to overclock if you wanna save money (I was mistaken, the E5200 is a Dual Core, got confused with another model, for that AND FOR THAT ALONE I apologise!

just my thought

Dane



Wow, do some research before you post bull.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEO5V4-YmqY
(Check his specs)
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/293633-33-need-upgrad... (post number 3)

Also a 460 for a 19 inch monitor? Talk about overkill. :sarcastic: 
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August 18, 2010 7:37:54 AM

hpx2io said:
E5200 is dual core as far as i know. its old cpu lol


You're right, it is a dual core and this is the specs for the E5200 which is a generation later after Pentium 4.

My son plays SC2 on high with this setup.

Athlon 64 X2 3800+ 2.1 GHz Brisbane
2MB DDR2 RAM
ATI Raedon HD4670 1GB from Diamond Max (This is a reference card and no extra power needed)

At first he had trouble with bad lag but I noticed that his hard drive was going crazy while playing SC2 so I moved the SC2 folder to a 16GB USB Flash drive and he was fine.

Look at this article for the video card and ensure that the GPU you buy is compatible with your Motherboard.

Hope this help
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August 18, 2010 7:48:11 AM

Im currentluy looking for 980 gt or gtx ( does 512 mb and one gig version make big difference??) should i get 9800 gt series or hd 5670 or hd 4850 which one wouldbe best i can change psu if needed but prefer not to thnx guys for helping me ou
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August 18, 2010 7:57:35 AM

Other systems that I've had experience with SC2.

Ultra setings at 1920x1080 reslotion average 60FPS:
Windows 7 64 bit
Athlon II X2 7850 Black Edition 2.8 GHz
4 GB DDR2 RAM
Nvidia GTX 260 (the old one not the core 216)
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"

Medium Settings at 1440x900 average 45FPS:
Windows XP Pro SP3
AMD Athlon II X2 240 Regor 2.8GHz Socket AM3 65W Dual-Core Processor
2 GB DDR2 RAM
Onboard HD 4200 on a MSI 785GT-E63 AM3/AM2+/AM2 AMD 785G motherboard
Western Digital 250 GB 16 MB Cache
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August 18, 2010 8:39:49 AM

hpx2io said:
Im currentluy looking for 980 gt or gtx ( does 512 mb and one gig version make big difference??) should i get 9800 gt series or hd 5670 or hd 4850 which one wouldbe best i can change psu if needed but prefer not to thnx guys for helping me ou


I would go for a card with at least 1GB memory and at least an Nvidia 200 series or ATI 4000 series since they have newer tech. Also consider that if after buying a video card and still you're not satisfied that it compliment a new system should you decide to build a new system.
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August 18, 2010 9:05:24 AM

Since you have an nvidia card now I would recommend GTS 250 1GB so it will be easier for you to install. Going from an nVidia card to ATI could prove dificult.
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August 18, 2010 9:27:36 AM

dont_look@me said:
Since you have an nvidia card now I would recommend GTS 250 1GB so it will be easier for you to install. Going from an nVidia card to ATI could prove dificult.

More than 512mb of ram is pretty much totally useless at his resolution. Why you suggest a card for which he will need to swap out his PSU but suggest that something much easier (changing video card drivers) should be a reasonable factor when choosing one card over another I don't know.
The HD5670 is fine for his resolution and power supply and should be able to handle SC2 on Ultra settings with a frame rate over 30. The GTS 250 is certainly better but when you factor in the extra cost of the card you linked($50), the extra cost of a new PSU(another $50), the extra hassle of removing the old PSU, installing the new one and giving up DX11 compatibility on top of it I just really don't think it is worth it.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 18, 2010 9:34:35 AM

hpx2io said:
Im currentluy looking for 980 gt or gtx ( does 512 mb and one gig version make big difference??) should i get 9800 gt series or hd 5670 or hd 4850 which one wouldbe best i can change psu if needed but prefer not to thnx guys for helping me ou

The 9800GTX is the same card as the GTS 250 discussed above. The 9800GT has two versions. The one with the power connector you would probably want a new power supply for. The one without a power connector would be ok on your current unit. However it is basically equally in performance to the HD5670 and lacks DX11 while usually costing slightly more.
Another possibility is the HD5750. It is similar in performance to the HD4850 and GTS 250 but uses much less power than either. It may actually run fine on your current power supply if it is a good enough brand. Let us know the brand/model # of the PSU. If you don't know you will find it on a chart on the side of the unit inside the case.
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August 18, 2010 9:48:37 AM

jyjjy said:
More than 512mb of ram is pretty much totally useless at his resolution. Why you suggest a card for which he will need to swap out his PSU but suggest that something much easier (changing video card drivers) should be a reasonable factor when choosing one card over another I don't know.
The HD5670 is fine for his resolution and power supply and should be able to handle SC2 on Ultra settings with a frame rate over 30. The GTS 250 is certainly better but when you factor in the extra cost of the card you linked($50), the extra cost of a new PSU(another $50), the extra hassle of removing the old PSU, installing the new one and giving up DX11 compatibility on top of it I just really don't think it is worth it.


jyjjy, You are correct about the gts 250 and also you are correct about the HD 5670 but he mentioned that he wouldn't mind exchanging his old PSU and the 250 fits within the budget he presented. HD 5670 is a good card but I trust THG's Best Graphics Card for your money
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August 18, 2010 10:08:21 AM

The Tom's article about best cards for the money does not factor in the cost of a new power supply for this person in particular. Also it lists the GTS 250 as tied for the best card for $105 but the card you linked actually costs $135 after shipping. The article is a good general guide but it doesn't account for the day to day variances in pricing of the cards. The cheapest 1gb GTS 250 is actually $115 on newegg but the card the other card it lists(HD4850) can actually be found for $100 and would be the better recommendation if he is going to upgrade his power supply;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
However the HD5750 is actually slightly faster than either of those, DX11 and MAY work on his current PSU which would make its cost for him actually lower if his power supply is of a decent brand which is why I asked him about it.
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August 18, 2010 10:51:37 AM

jyjjy said:
The Tom's article about best cards for the money does not factor in the cost of a new power supply for this person in particular. Also it lists the GTS 250 as tied for the best card for $105 but the card you linked actually costs $135 after shipping. The article is a good general guide but it doesn't account for the day to day variances in pricing of the cards. The cheapest 1gb GTS 250 is actually $115 on newegg but the card the other card it lists(HD4850) can actually be found for $100 and would be the better recommendation if he is going to upgrade his power supply;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
However the HD5750 is actually slightly faster than either of those, DX11 and MAY work on his current PSU which would make its cost for him actually lower if his power supply is of a decent brand which is why I asked him about it.


I agree on the 4850 if DX 11 is not all that important since this is probably as far as you want to upgrade this whole system. Although I found that some games are optimized for nVidia cards and I'm not sure if SC2 is one them but I hope that SC2 is not the only game he'll be playing.
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a b U Graphics card
August 18, 2010 5:05:25 PM

Ok so I gotta add my beef since I did some testing once I got the game and I was intrigued on the system usage.

My system is a xII630 with 4gbram and a gts250 and I can run most settings on ultra/high without a hick up. The only thing that really lags me out is nexus wars when you have 100+ units on the screen!

The game will use about 2 gb of ram! Yes I kid you not this game is ram hungry! So as has been said time and time again 4gb of ram is the sweet spot for gaming right now. If you use windows7 it will use about 1.5gig alone for running the system.

Now cpu wise, the usage that I was seeing during single/muliplayer was about 80% usage of cpu cores 1 and 4, 2 and 3 were unused! So saying that your cpu is outdated is just plain wrong. Just like wow, blizzard has not been too great with multy cpu support.

I bought a 512mb gts250, which is able to play the game just fine. I bought mine for $100 after repate, so that is what I would personally go for. Now the only thing that worries me a bit, is your PSU with only 350watts. The recommended minimum psu from nvidia is 450watts. However that doesn't mean it won't run, assuming you don't have 3 cd drives and 5 harddrives installed. Nonetheless I would recommend a 4850 to be the safer choice simple because of the lower power requirements. I personally do not own one so I can't vouch for its performance, but from looking at benchmarks, they seem fairly equal in terms of performance.

Also concerning your comment, a 19" monitor is not huge. I am playing on a 24" 1080p again with the before mentioned gts250 512mb just fine. I don't see the need for 1gb of video ram with what I'd assume is 1600 resolution. The added memory will not make a difference at that resolution.
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August 18, 2010 5:55:53 PM

Supermuncher85 said:
Now the only thing that worries me a bit, is your PSU with only 350watts. The recommended minimum psu from nvidia is 450watts. However that doesn't mean it won't run, assuming you don't have 3 cd drives and 5 harddrives installed. Nonetheless I would recommend a 4850 to be the safer choice simple because of the lower power requirements. I personally do not own one so I can't vouch for its performance, but from looking at benchmarks, they seem fairly equal in terms of performance.

Also concerning your comment, a 19" monitor is not huge. I am playing on a 24" 1080p again with the before mentioned gts250 512mb just fine. I don't see the need for 1gb of video ram with what I'd assume is 1600 resolution. The added memory will not make a difference at that resolution.

Both the GTS 250 and HD4850 use about 40w at idle and 110w during gaming so there is no real difference there. I really wouldn't recommend running either of them on a 350w. Even if it works you are pushing the PSU to its limits which can shorten its lifespan and cause system instability.
As you have said your GTS 250 handles the game well at 1080p. A 19" monitor actually wouldn't even be 1600x900 as they are pretty much all 20" so his res is almost definitely 1440x900 or 1280x1024 which is 40% lower than 1080p so even an HD5670 would do quite well.
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August 19, 2010 12:58:11 AM

so i have option for HD 5670 and HD 5750?
which one would be better looking at my motherboard and PSU?
please let me know thank you so much
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 19, 2010 1:07:02 AM

I'd say the 5670 becuase it compliments your setup better.
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August 19, 2010 1:57:49 AM

should i get 5670 1gig version? or 512mb version ?
or is there only 512mb sorry i do not know these things

i have offer for 80$ for used bfg 9800 gt oc
and 90$ for saphire hd 4850 1gig
how is Hd 5750 i want that since its better and takes lower power


are these two gonna fit in my system? with 350W psu?
my mobo is microatx i dont even know if they got the right pin connector

so i think im gonna go with Hd 5750 1 gig version
is that good/
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August 19, 2010 3:05:10 AM

Best answer selected by hpx2io.
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August 19, 2010 7:36:24 AM

The HD 5750 is a better performer than the HD 5670 although you might have to upgrade your power supply to at least 450W.

The HD 5670 is not much faster than the HD4670 1G DDR3 but it don't require external power so you will be able to run it without upgrading your power supply. The only + for the 5670 over the 4670 is DX 11 support, Eyefinity, and Dolby TrueHD/DTS-HD Master Audio bitstreaming, and eyefinity support.
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a c 271 U Graphics card
August 19, 2010 7:40:24 AM

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