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"All Around" Build Under $450 Advice (Ready to buy) - Updated 10/7

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October 1, 2010 12:15:03 AM

10/7 - I'm set to buy, so I'm double checking that my build would work and I shouldn't wait for any reason or possibly purchase over the weekend (if newegg has specific deals over the weekend)?

10/1 - I think some people were confused as to what I meant by a "moderate" gaming build, so I edited that out of the title and first post since I only really want to play Civilization 5 on medium/highish settings. I also upped the budget to $450ish after rebates and shipping :D 



Hello! I'm looking to build an "all around" PC for under $450. This is my first build, so any help or advice would be appreciated (I used the "$400 Gaming PC" from the System Builder Marathon as a starting point for my build)!

Below are some details on what I'm looking for/working with and below that is the potential build.

Details


Approximate Purchase Date: 2 or 3 weeks Right now (or are there better deals on weekends?)! :D 

Budget Range: Under $450 after shipping and rebates

System Usage: Civilization 5 (medium/high settings), Final Cut Express, Photoshop, Illustrator, Pro Tools, Reason/Record, and web browsing. It's pretty much just a fun/hobby pc, nothing professional.

Parts Not Required (followed by what I have if I think it might help):
Monitor: Dell 2209WAf (1680x1050, DVI, and VGA)
OS: Vista Home Premium (will purchase Windows 7 separately at a later time)
Hard drive: Seagate Momentus 2.5’’ Internal Drive: 500gb, 7200rpm, 16mb cache, and SATA connection (3.5’’ bay adaptation accounted for in build below)
Keyboard
Mouse
Speakers

Preferred Website: www.Newegg.com

Country of Origin: United States

Overclocking: Maybe

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe

Potential Build (updated 10/7)


Optical Drive: LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R - $16.99
Case: Rosewill Blackbone - $39.99
Motherboard: ASRock M3A770DE - $59.99
Additional Item: Rosewill 2.5" mounting kit - $4.99 (or should I go with the SilverStone Bay Converter since the Rosewill is plastic?)
Video Card/Power Supply Combo Deal: SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB and OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ600MXSP 600W - $189.98 (before $15.00 and $20.00 MIR)
CPU/RAM Combo Deal: AMD Athlon II X4 640 Propus 3.0GHz Quad-Core and OCZ Gold 4GB (2 x 2GB) - $167.98 (before $20.00 MIR)

Shipping: $7.74
Rebate(s): -$55.00
Promo Code (from Rosewill Case): -$5.00
Final Cost: $427.66

Whoo! Hopefully everything is compatible? haha
October 1, 2010 4:28:54 AM

To be honest, wait until you can save up some more money because for your needs.. it's really not gonna work. Atleast $600 man
October 1, 2010 6:27:21 AM

You have a pretty nice build already, not much to improve on and stay in the budget.

To start off I would say change your ram to this, you can buy another stick later if you need to so it makes upgrading easier. Plus it's cheaper.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That case you chose is fine, you shouldn't go with that second choice seeing as it would raise your price quite a bit. But if you did go with it that power supply would be enough.

Also that power supply doesn't sit well with me. I would go with an 80 plus certified and above, nothing less.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 1, 2010 6:28:40 AM

The only thing I see the need to wait until you have more is the video card. I would go with a 5770 in a budget build, It's a great card for such a low price. But if you really don't want to wait your card is fine.
October 1, 2010 8:51:05 AM

With your budget the combo deals are a must so come back a couple of days before purchasing.
October 1, 2010 10:27:04 AM

According to the Antec power supply calculator here: http://www.antec.outervision.com/PSUEngine

your sytem will only draw approx 270W, so the PSU in the Antec NSK2480 case should be OK if it's decent. Read the newegg reviews for any probs building with it. Agree, buy 1 stick 2Gb DDR3 RAM.
October 1, 2010 1:31:09 PM

The Antec 380W Earthwatts PSU is more than enough for a HD5670; it would comfortably run a HD5750 and should even be enough for a HD5770.
The Rosewill Stallion, however, is not anywhere near the same quality. Any PSU with a little red voltage switch on it should be avoided. Antec, Seasonic, Corsair, and Enermax are among the quality brands; stick to one of them. You should be able to find one in the 350W-450W range for $40-$45 depending on which ones have deals attached.
If at all possible, go for 4GB of RAM.
You can save $5 by getting one of the cheap Rosewill cases. Any time I've ever bought one, I've had no trouble from it. They also seem to have some decent shipping cost discounts right now too.
October 1, 2010 4:03:25 PM

Basically, half your parts suck ass

Sorry to say, but 400 for a "moderate gaming computer"?

Come on...
October 1, 2010 5:24:03 PM

reaper2794 said:
Basically, half your parts suck ass

Sorry to say, but 400 for a "moderate gaming computer"?

Come on...


You can quite easily get a half decent computer for just a smidge over $400 after rebates if you combo well:

$70 4GB Gskill RAM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$67 Antec 300 + DVD RW

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

$121 Biostar 785G + Athlon II X3 445

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

$195 HD5770 + OCZ 600W

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Total $453 - $35 MIR = $418

+ $7 for the HD converter.

The problem is the combos change around often, so you have to let us know the day you want to buy.
October 1, 2010 7:42:21 PM

falseg0d said:
The only thing I see the need to wait until you have more is the video card. I would go with a 5770 in a budget build, It's a great card for such a low price. But if you really don't want to wait your card is fine.


Yah, I showed the build to a friend of mine and he said the same thing, so I bumped my budget up to get a 5770.

mosox said:
With your budget the combo deals are a must so come back a couple of days before purchasing.


Ooo, I'll definitely do that!

reaper2794 said:
Basically, half your parts suck ass

Sorry to say, but 400 for a "moderate gaming computer"?

Come on...


I changed the post a bit since I think I may have been misleading. I do want to play Civ 5, but that's really it for now, so I think I can make it work :D 

deconduo said:
You can quite easily get a half decent computer for just a smidge over $400 after rebates if you combo well:

$70 4GB Gskill RAM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$67 Antec 300 + DVD RW

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

$121 Biostar 785G + Athlon II X3 445

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

$195 HD5770 + OCZ 600W

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Total $453 - $35 MIR = $418

+ $7 for the HD converter.

The problem is the combos change around often, so you have to let us know the day you want to buy.


Yah, what I plan on doing is having a general build in mind and then checking on combo deals the day I buy. I'm new to builds, so I want to make sure I know what's compatible with what so I don't get excited and buy a combo deal that ends up not working haha

ScrewySqrl said:
I don't see a SATA drive in there, so you can drop the $7 2.5" drive converter.

Only about $26 more gets you this ram, at $69.99
:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The Antec Earthwatts 380 is $44.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

combos can trim up your pricing some as well.


My 2.5" laptop drive has a SATA connection (I listed it up top with the parts I already have), so I'm planning on mounting it in a 3.5" bay. Even so, the $7 converter was deactivated :( 

That Antec is perfect, thanks! I was also going with the RAM you suggested, but it sold out haha
October 1, 2010 8:28:58 PM

the case you have looks like it will take only an 80 or 92mm front and side.

I'd try to spend the extra $10 for the Blackbone. It comes with 2 120mm fans, and can mount either 2 more 120mm or 3 80mm on the side.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

your drive is fairly slow, at 5400 rpm, but should suffice. If you can swing it, I'd consider a 3.5" drive. the Spinpoint f4 320 GB is amazingly fast and only $42.99

I'd strongly suggest the ASRock motherboard. Either the $54.99 770 with SATA 2 and USB 2, or the $59.99 880 chipset.

There is also a 74.99 and 79.99 version of each with USB3 and SATA3. Not needed now, but useful for the future.

October 1, 2010 8:51:32 PM

ScrewySqrl said:
the case you have looks like it will take only an 80 or 92mm front and side.

I'd try to spend the extra $10 for the Blackbone. It comes with 2 120mm fans, and can mount either 2 more 120mm or 3 80mm on the side.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

your drive is fairly slow, at 5400 rpm, but should suffice. If you can swing it, I'd consider a 3.5" drive. the Spinpoint f4 320 GB is amazingly fast and only $42.99

I'd strongly suggest the ASRock motherboard. Either the $54.99 770 with SATA 2 and USB 2, or the $59.99 880 chipset.

There is also a 74.99 and 79.99 version of each with USB3 and SATA3. Not needed now, but useful for the future.


Ooo, thanks, I'll get the Blackbone then!

I forgot to put that the 2.5" drive is 7200rpm, but is there an advantage to having a 3.5" drive?

I'm gonna go with the 770, so would I need to change my RAM? Or does 1333 work even though the board's standard is 1600? Also, should I get the open box 770 or is that a bad idea?
October 1, 2010 9:46:26 PM

the 770 can use ddr3 1066/1333/1600 with no changes. open box is usually not worth it, especially mail-order!

3.5 drives usually have somwhat faster data throughput
October 1, 2010 10:02:26 PM

Thank you for updating your thread instead of creating a new one, we appreciate it :) 
October 2, 2010 12:10:09 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
the 770 can use ddr3 1066/1333/1600 with no changes. open box is usually not worth it, especially mail-order!

3.5 drives usually have somwhat faster data throughput


Thanks! Yah, I'll avoid open box then. I'll probably get a 3.5" drive at some point, but for now I'll just use the 2.5" to save a bit :D 

Mr Pizza said:
Thank you for updating your thread instead of creating a new one, we appreciate it :) 


No problem! I wouldn't want to spam up the board every time I cut $5 out of the build or found a new combo deal haha
October 7, 2010 9:15:00 PM

I'm all set to buy! Just double checking that my build is compatible and/or if I should maybe wait to buy over the weekend for certain deals/combos? Thanks so much for the help! :D 
October 7, 2010 10:40:27 PM

there are always deals & combos. go for it when you're ready
!