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[Solved] 13 y/o Intel fanboy converts to AMD, lol ;)

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October 2, 2010 12:14:08 PM

Hello everybody, I am a 13 y/o who is heavily into computers and i want to build my own system. I am based on the Gold coast - Australia and use this www.umart.com.au
I want a system that will perform extremely well in games like: Crysis2/3, Call of duty 7, Mass effect 2, Just cause 2, ect.
(something that wont stop running games well 12 monthes down the track)

Here is what i have come up with, all opinions please :D !

CPU: Intel Core i7 950 Processor LGA1366 3.06GHz 8MB Cache ////// ( :D  Hopefully i can overclock this to around 4.0 Ghz :D  )
http://umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id...


CPU Cooling: Corsair H50 Liquid cooling system ////// (good for me because comes w/ preapplied paste and is an easy install)
http://umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id...


Motherboard: Asus Rampage III Formula Socket1366 X58 (I might want to Crossfire my GPU later on and this mobo is very colour co-ordinated with my other components)
http://umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id...


DDR3 RAM: Corsair C7 1600Mhz 6GB (3x XMS3 2GB) PC-12800, XMP, DOMINATOR GT +DHX +AirFan, (I like this because it comes with fan, is colour co-ordinated and cools well) http://umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id...


HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB SATAII 7200rpm 32M
http://umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id...


Optical Drive: Asus DRW-24B1ST SATA DVDRW
http://umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id...


Case: Coolermaster CM 690 II Advanced w/ window (great budget case will everything you need and more)
http://umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id... ( the pic on the site doesnt show the window, but it has one)


PSU: Corsair HX-650 ( I am wondering whether this is enough to power my i7 build WITH my GPU which i will (80% sure) Crossfire? (I also have ~ 4-5 Blue led case fans)
http://umart.com.au/pro/products_listnew.phtml?id=10&id...


GPU: *** The equivelent price of a 5870 (400-500 $ ) but in 6xxx series) ***


Total comes to :

~2200$ Build my Umart :( 
~2000$ Homebuilt :) 

I am wondering whether a very tech saavy 13 y.o can build this system ( i know exactly how to do it ) .... does the extra cost from umart include wiring, wire sleeves, ect. that i might need to buy additionally?

Thankyou for your time! :wahoo: 
a c 104 B Homebuilt system
October 2, 2010 1:04:37 PM

If you know how, no problem. The extra cost from them is mostly labor. The HX650 has no problems with 2 x HD5870 so HD6xxx should not be a problem but a little more headroom would be nice.
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October 2, 2010 1:12:33 PM

Headroom for what? I have no need to tri or quad sli... would it let me overclock more or something?! :heink: 
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a c 104 B Homebuilt system
October 2, 2010 1:25:17 PM

You might want to upgrade GPU some time and the new ones might need more power (look at Fermi). The Efficiency is highest as well at around 50% load.
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October 3, 2010 11:03:20 AM

Ive come up with an AMD Leo platform (a step up from the "dragon" platform)

AMD Phenom II X6 1090T(3.2GHz)AM3 9MBCache125W
Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H50 High-performance CPU Cooler
Asus Crosshair IV Formula MB, AMD 890FX / SB850, Socket AM3, HT5200, 4 x DDR3, 6x SATA3, RAID,
Corsair CMG4GX3M2B1600C7 4GB (2x XMS3 2GB) PC-12800 (1600MHz) DDR3 RAM
Samsung 1TB Spinpoint F3 SATA II 7200RPM 32M
Sapphire HD5870 1G GDDR5 PCIE 2D HDMI DP
Asus DRW-24B1ST SATA DVDRW
CoolerMaster RC-692-KWN2 Advanced Bay Tower Gaming Case
Corsair HX-750 ATX Power Supply, 140mm Fan

Comes to a total of ~1950$

I really like the idea of making and o/c'ing an AMD system because i have never used one (ive been spoonfed Intel since i was 5)

:o  oh and also, i plant to overclock the Phenom IIx6 to 4.0ghz, im wondering whether i should get 8GB CL9 ram or the 4GB CL7 (both cost around same) :o 
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a c 104 B Homebuilt system
October 3, 2010 11:46:59 AM

For gaming 4 GB is enough.
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October 3, 2010 11:57:21 AM

could you please help me understand what CL is an which one is best for me?
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October 3, 2010 12:09:29 PM

I can only half understand that, can someone please just give me a simplified answer, what is the difference between CL7/CL9... will it affect games, will things load faster, will i be able to overclock cpu/ram more? ect.
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a c 104 B Homebuilt system
October 3, 2010 12:16:34 PM

CL7 is faster than CL9 it is access times measured in nanoseconds measurable difference but not noticeable..
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October 3, 2010 12:49:52 PM

I just stumbled upon OCZ's 1600Mhz CL7 4GB RAM BLACK EDITION (167$) - especially made for AMD's Black edition processors so this is a perrrrrfect choice for me..
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October 3, 2010 1:59:42 PM

one more thing, ive found a cheap (89$) LG glossy black blu ray player... i like this becaue i can watch blu-ray videos and i am prepared for the future... the only thing im worried about is whether it will work with other things like: downloading games off disc, playing normal DVDs ect. thankyou =]
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October 3, 2010 2:36:09 PM

ROFL! thats the one i was looking at ... xD
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October 3, 2010 2:50:32 PM

Alright, final build :
(Note: this might seem like a shamwow commerical :lol: )

BE = Black Edition
:heink:  = Bulletpoint


AMD Phenom II X6 1090T(3.2GHz)AM3 9MBCache125W (O/C to ~4.0Ghz)
Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H50 High-performance CPU Cooler
Asus Crosshair IV Formula MB, AMD 890FX / SB850, Socket AM3, HT5200, 4 x DDR3, 6x SATA3, RAID,
OCZ 4G(2x2G) DDR3 1600Mhz CL7 AMD Black Edition
Samsung 1TB SATA II Silencer Series 32M
Sapphire HD5870 1G GDDR5 PCIE 2D HDMI DP
LGE CH10LS20 Glossy Black Blue Ray HD Combo Retail
CoolerMaster CM 690 II Advanced (with side window)
Corsair HX-750 ATX Power Supply, 140mm Fan

:heink:  This is a "Leo" system, a step up from AMD's "Dragon".
:heink:  It has ATI/AMD Black edition combos (BE CPU+GPU+BE RAM) for extreme gaming performance
:heink:  Top of the line AMD system (hexa core, ATI's highest performing solo GPU - GPU, Black edition for easy overclocking)
:heink:  Blu-ray player for HD media

Now im laughing for the total price for the "best" $/performance AMD system: :pt1cable:  1890$ :bounce: 

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a b B Homebuilt system
October 3, 2010 5:15:10 PM

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AMD Phenom II X6 1090T(3.2GHz)AM3 9MBCache125W (O/C to ~4.0Ghz)
Corsair Cooling Hydro Series H50 High-performance CPU Cooler
Asus Crosshair IV Formula MB, AMD 890FX / SB850, Socket AM3, HT5200, 4 x DDR3, 6x SATA3, RAID,
OCZ 4G(2x2G) DDR3 1600Mhz CL7 AMD Black Edition
Samsung 1TB SATA II Silencer Series 32M
Sapphire HD5870 1G GDDR5 PCIE 2D HDMI DP
LGE CH10LS20 Glossy Black Blue Ray HD Combo Retail
CoolerMaster CM 690 II Advanced (with side window)
Corsair HX-750 ATX Power Supply, 140mm Fan


Looks good, but consider this:

1. The H50 is no better than a top end air cooler. Consider getting a good air cooler like a Hyper 212 for less money.

2. You may want to wait until the Intel Sandy Bridge CPUs comes out and see how that does. Also realize that you won't get Bulldozer.

3. If you want a system ASAP, get a cheap AM3 board and AM3 CPU now, then upgrade to Sandy Bridge or Bulldozer in a few months. I seriously don't think dropping almost $2k on a build now is a good idea when there will be a new platform in a few months.

4. I personally stay away from OCZ RAM as they have compatibility issues with noticeably higher number of boards than Corsair or GSkill.
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October 3, 2010 5:43:38 PM

I would say no in general to any AMD CPUs past the 1055t. Your money is better spent on an i5-760 platfrom with 4GB of ram. You're really spending a LOT of money kinda needlessly, hence why you're not going to see AMD's better price/performance, seeing as they have none in the high-end. SB/BD/6K are coming out shortly and dropping 2K on a build now is kinda shortsighted.

H50 is pretty mediocre, and the mobo is overpriced.
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 3, 2010 5:52:27 PM

^Agreed. Unless OP has some apps that benefit from 6 true cores compared to 4C/8T.
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a c 104 B Homebuilt system
October 3, 2010 7:25:01 PM

+2 OP actually started with a I7 950 build!
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October 5, 2010 3:27:59 PM

definitely need to consider a solid state drive for a boot drive. buy a quad Phenom II and a good heatsink and fan and put the money saved into a 64 gig SSD. you will be amazed at how much faster startup, etc is. with Win7 it is really easy to use a regular hard drive for storage while installing windows, games, apps, etc to the boot drive.
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October 5, 2010 3:56:23 PM

intel1502 said:
I just stumbled upon OCZ's 1600Mhz CL7 4GB RAM BLACK EDITION (167$) - especially made for AMD's Black edition processors so this is a perrrrrfect choice for me..


OCZ ram is highly unreliable, build that i would suggest is this, i7 950, gigabyte x58 ud3r (best price vs performance x58 motherboard in my opinion, 6gb 3x2gb gskill modules, the gpu you were going to get, i7 950 vs x6 1090T http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/100?vs=146
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October 5, 2010 3:59:26 PM

the x6 1090T is bad price vs performance, however the 1055t is good price vs performance, and i agree rather go with an aircooler the h50 is bad for its price here is a list of coolers all are good but vary in price, coolermaster hyper 212+, thermaltake frio, thermalright venomous x, thermalright silver arrow, noctua NH-d14 and the megahalems
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October 5, 2010 4:02:47 PM

heynow said:
definitely need to consider a solid state drive for a boot drive. buy a quad Phenom II and a good heatsink and fan and put the money saved into a 64 gig SSD. you will be amazed at how much faster startup, etc is. with Win7 it is really easy to use a regular hard drive for storage while installing windows, games, apps, etc to the boot drive.


rather get a ssd when they become more mainstream and go down in price
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 5, 2010 7:05:33 PM

+1 on the i5/i7 1156 idea. I also support the idea of a SSD. You only need a 30GB or so for your OS. The OCZ Vertex and Corsair C300 are the best out there; I have the Western Digital SiliconEdge 64GB, which is on the "low" end, and it still performs great (30 sec boot up :) )

In order to do bluray playback, you also need a program that can do it. I have Cyberlink PowerDVD 10 Ultra 3D (I needed the 3D playback ;)  and the interface is great and simple to use, and I recommend it. It can get a bit pricey, but it's downloadable, which is nice.

This is a pretty good guide to assembling the PC (if you need info on that): http://techreport.com/articles.x/13671
Just remember to assemble your motherboard BEFORE putting it in the case. The RAM usually requires the most force to put in, and the motherboard bends when mounted on some standoffs.
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October 5, 2010 10:14:26 PM

I disagree with you entirely. I have CS5, Office, and Windows 7 X64 on a 32gig SSD taking up ~22 gigs right now. Yes I have my page/hiberfile disabled but with an SSD those aren't all that relevant. I would suggest a larger SSD, but 30 is fine.

And IMO the speed advantage is definitely justified, especially if your time is valuable. I've probably saved enough hours from the SSD to cover it's cost, not to mention how much more fluid it is computing now.
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October 5, 2010 11:04:34 PM

Even if you don't see the value, I do. Anand, Kyle, and Tom agree. I was using Caviar blacks in raid 0, widely considered above average. For the type of work I do, and for the number of concurrent IOs I have, the SSD upgrade was more significant than the hexacore. And I payed something like 12$/GB.


And what you want to use it for is exactly what you should be using hard drives for. SSDs aren't all that faster for sustained access (copying gigantic files), it's the random IOs where they're 100s of times faster.

I no longer hibernate as I can full shutdown/reboot in just about the same time, and my pagefile lives on my mechanical drive.

Regardless, I definitely think OP should be looking into an SSD, even if his budget limits him to the 40GB range.
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October 6, 2010 2:22:49 AM

I'll agree to disagree (granted, I've only been on this drive for 3 months), but what would you suggest as a better upgrade for the cost?
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October 6, 2010 3:44:50 AM

i just saw an OCZ Onyx 64 gig (granted the bottom of the SSD performance, but still MUCH better for a boot drive than HDD) for $80 after MIR. $1.25 per gig! and prices will fall after the next gen SSDs are released (supposedly) in a few weeks.

these are recommended tweaks when using an SSD. of course you should do a bunch of research to figure out whats best and not take my (or anyone elses word for it). :)  for example, when i did my research i found that a lot of people have opinions about the page file. i decided to leave mine for Windows 7 to manage as i have enough space to not have to worry about it.

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Increase System Speed by:
Disable indexing

Disable defrag

Disable Write Caching

Configure Superfetch

Firefox - Use memory cache instead of disk cache


Free up extra drive space by:
Disable the Page File

Disable System Restore

Disable Hibernate
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 6, 2010 8:42:24 AM

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