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October 2, 2010 5:06:50 PM

looking for advice/suggestions on this build. i did some research on each component before picking but only used newegg of course doesnt have to be only from newegg. and i would consider myself slightly above novice level. so im sure improvements can be made.
trying to build a gaming pc with best price/performance. the total of this build is alittle high but willing to save up for it if need be. dont want to sacrifice any performance. all idea suggestions are welcome for swapping out any items. i picked 2 sets of 4 gig kits for total of 8 gigs 4 sticks not sure ig this was best or not suppose i could do 1 kit of 8 gig for 2 sticks. only picked a small ssd because i have a 2tb external. but maybe still need secondary internal???? also need a suggestion for a decent case for all this keeping cooling issues in mind. dont really want to spend mpore then 100-150 on a case. if not less.
was very unsure on psu unit just kinda picked a brand ive heard is good quilty with lots of power.


forgot i choose dual gfx for the crossfire so x2 of the gfx card.



ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100284VXL Radeon HD 5750 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model

OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Onyx OCZSSD2-1ONX32G 2.5" 32GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec TPQ-1200 1200W Continuous Power with PowerCache Technology SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LG UH10LS20 Blu-ray Disc Combo Internal SATA 10x SuperMulti Blue LightScribe
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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October 2, 2010 5:13:32 PM

Upgrade the gfx to a 5770 at least,
for gaming you'll be fine with 4Gb of ram, if you do any heavy editing or use apps that hog the ram, then take 8Gb
i think that psu is overkill for that system, you should get away with a lot less, build your system into http://www.thermaltake.outervision.com/ and see what is suggests,
nice Mobo and chip, not sure on the ssd cause I havent researched any sorry cant afford one,dont need to know about them hehe,
Casewise, erm, haf922? its a personal choice as to what you like the look of imo, but thats a popular one on here
hopefully others will chip in as well man.
Moto
October 2, 2010 6:00:25 PM

i dont do any kinda of programming editing or anythign liek that just play some games and browse the web . bottom line need a good build that will last a few years and keep up with all the new games. currently running on a 3 year old alineware aurora m9700 and it lags on all the new games.
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October 2, 2010 6:03:37 PM

You'll be fine with 4Gb then, and the 955's a good quad that if needed you can clock easily,
Moto
October 2, 2010 6:17:09 PM

motosycho you recomended the 5770 instead of 5750 i had forgottin to put down i planed on doign dual gfx for crossfire.

so my question is. is it worth it to go dual cards on the 5750 or go single on the 5770??

what is the benefit of doing crossfire over single

my current laptop has dual gforce sli cards on it and enabled but never did figure out what it does for me.
October 2, 2010 6:26:26 PM

I did notice the edit hehe, but Im on WoW at the moment so not had time to do the 'which is better X-fired' search for you, but the 5770 is a much better card in singleform, I dont see why it should be different on X-fire mode tbh but I may be wrong, the benefits of X-fire/Sli? basically your graphics can handle more at higher resolutions but remember you are paying for two cards so it better be damn good imo :) 
but I'd go for one 5770 over 2 5750's especially as budgets on your mind
Moto
October 2, 2010 6:28:26 PM

Ram looks crappy and 4GB too much, PSU is mega-overkill, and motherboard is mega-overkill.

And by mega-overkill, I do mean 100s of dollars spent without any increase in performance/features.

What's your total budget and resolution/usage scenario?
October 2, 2010 6:32:29 PM

sp12 said:
Ram looks crappy and 4GB too much, PSU is mega-overkill, and motherboard is mega-overkill.

And by mega-overkill, I do mean 100s of dollars spent without any increase in performance/features.



i appreciate your opinion..... however with out recommendations for alternative parts for what you are saying is overkill,
no offense intended the opinion is useless.
October 2, 2010 7:01:46 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|17-256-059^17-256-059-TS%2C17-207-003^17-207-003-TS%2C17-207-001^17-207-001-TS%2C17-139-010^17-139-010-TS%2C17-256-058^17-256-058-TS

Any of those PSUs will still be far more than enough for 5770 crossfire.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|20-231-321^20-231-321-TS%2C20-226-122^20-226-122-TS%2C20-231-193^20-231-193-TS

Ram CAS has a fractional performance benefit, so the primary focus is on a lower voltage to help CPU overclocking.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|13-157-198^13-157-198-TS%2C13-130-269^13-130-269-TS%2C13-157-191^13-157-191-TS%2C13-128-435^13-128-435-TS%2C13-131-631^13-131-631-TS


October 2, 2010 7:18:57 PM

I hear what you say, but I see what you're posting e.g. ASUS Crosshair IV Formula - over kill MOBO; this is great MOBO for extreme OC and gaming and really isn't meant as an "everyday" MOBO.

PSU:
PSU overkill is a huge understatement. Save $
[Change] CF Corsair TX850W {HD 58XX} or If only 1 GPU -> TX750W {HD 57XX}

RAM:
Dual Channel is more efficient than filling all the DDR slots running Quad Channel. Memory controller {A->B->A->B->etc}. In addition, your MOBO ECC RAM which depends if using critical applications or as WS. Same $ {non-ECC}.
OCZ {Tested DDR} - http://memoryselector.cnetchannel.com/ocztech/result.as... The {OCZ3P1600C6LV4GK} is NOT on the tested DDR list.
Corsair {Tested DDR} - http://www.corsair.com/configurator/product_results.asp...
[Change RAM1] CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) CMP4GX3M2A1600C9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
[Change RAM2**] CORSAIR DOMINATOR 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) CMP8GX3M2A1600C http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
** Though not Tested or Certified uses the same memory controller as the {CMP4GX3M2A1600C9} which is tested.

DVD:
Instead of a single DVD I would spilt them up {Read} + {Write}. Same or less $
LITE-ON Black 4X Blu-ray Reader SATA Model iHOS104-06 - OEM LITE-ON Black 4X Blu-ray Reader SATA Model iHOS104-06 - OEM
LITE-ON 24X DVD Writer Black SATA Model iHAS-324-98 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU:
As above, I completely agree the bare minimum is an HD5770 otherwise you'll be sacrificing quality to keep minimum frame rates. Even for the web, HULU, Netflix, mild gaming HD 5770; little more $
HIS H585FN1GD Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 1GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 2, 2010 8:02:51 PM

HDD/SSD:
While I use and love SSDs, an SSD smaller than 120-128GB is more a hassle than a true benefit. To be "useful" you need to have enough space for both the OS + APPS otherwise data and apps are split all over the place, and a faster startup wile nice is not worth the maintenance and headaches.

Instead I would look for an HHD or RAID 1 {Realtime backup} or RAID 0 {fast but risky}.
HHD - Seagate Momentus XT ST95005620AS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAID (1/0) Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3750528AS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Onyx OCZSSD2-1ONX32G 2.5" 32GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
October 2, 2010 8:04:05 PM

sp12 said:
Ram looks crappy and 4GB too much, PSU is mega-overkill, and motherboard is mega-overkill.

And by mega-overkill, I do mean 100s of dollars spent without any increase in performance/features.

What's your total budget and resolution/usage scenario?


budget is unimportant but would like to keep it low as it will take me awile to save up for it on average i can save 65$ per week so the lower the total the sooner i can build

as for res i suppose that depends on monitor as i do not have one now cuz im on laptop. i think i would like a monitor somere between 20-25 inch

i dont need any other perphials
October 2, 2010 8:21:33 PM

obsidian86 said:
http://img.techpowerup.org/101002/Newegg.com Shopping Cart_1286047741644.png

more then enough

2 x 5750 = 5850
750 watts enough for 2 x 5850
not more then 4gb ram needed
better quality ram
bigger ssd
i'd add a cooler with that

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



while trying to track down combo deal i saw there was one with the 965 proc fot 7$ more is it worth it?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

im confused on the recommended gfx cards there pci express 2.1 vs the 2.0 i picked but the mobo's are all 2.0???
October 2, 2010 8:22:51 PM

965 and 955 clock equally the same no reason to get the 965 really
October 2, 2010 8:36:03 PM

^Bump that, dont waste money 'upgrading' to 965
:) 
Moto
October 2, 2010 10:03:53 PM

ok here is new build based on suggestions so far.

i am not sure about the new mobo as i Am confused on the pci express 16x 2.0 on mobo but gfx card is 2.1
and isn't the on-board video a waste of resources when not being used?

manged to cut 300$ from original price so i think i am on the right track.

but still taking suggestions thanx

any recommended case and monitors would be appreciated
as far as the case i do not care about looks only that it carry's away as much heat as possible
monitor anything from 19-26 inch or so lcd less then 400$

HIS H577FK1GD Radeon HD 5770 (Juniper XT) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-750HX 750W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model 996825
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme Universal CPU Cooler 120mm Magnetic Fluid Dynamic LED Fan and Fan Controller/Heatsink Rev.1 with TX-3 & 1156 Brackets
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OCZ Agility Series OCZSSD2-1AGT120G 2.5" 120GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASRock 880G EXTREME3 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Writer
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

LITE-ON Black 4X BD-ROM 8X DVD-ROM 32X CD-ROM SATA Internal 4X Blu-ray Reader Model iHOS104-06 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
October 2, 2010 10:21:04 PM

another price drop for you,
lose the Tuniq and get http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
bout $40 difference and the 212's a great cooler by all accounts
onboard vga is wasted if you use a graphics card, however if your card fries you can still use your pc without having to wait for a new card to turn up
so that mobo's fine imo
and putting 'case' into newegg brings up a lot of nice cases, Silverstone raven caught my eye for $159 but you should be fine with coolermasters haf series,
Moto
October 2, 2010 10:26:27 PM

MOBO:
{ASRock & ASUS same company} If you ever plan to 3-WAY CF the the ASRock is good, or the ASUS.
ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 2-WAY CF http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
ASUS ASUS M4A79T Deluxe 3/4-WAY http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Fan:
Corsair H50 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CM V6 GT http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM:
Mushkin vs Corsair - Both are excellent DDR, but verify compatibility with your MOBO before finalizing any order; use their {Mushkin or Corsair} online configuration tools; Mushkin are very 'touchy' and I would never order until I knew 100% compatible.

Footnote: the CM Hyper 212 for the $ is indeed good, but it's butt ugly; Tom's H/W often uses in build to save money to throw back into GPU.

V6 GT Review {load} - http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/cooler_master_v...
October 3, 2010 6:34:24 PM

I'm doing a complete rebuild as well. Instead of saving for everything at once, as a suggestion, purchase the non-essentials first. If you are saving $65 a week, then you'll probably be saving for 4-5 months to purchase everything. During that time new items would come out, or be a lot cheaper/better. I would buy the Mobo, CPU, GPU, & mem last, get the case, power supply, & whatnot first. With the holidays approaching, you should a much better deal. Right now I'm keeping a complete list of items for the build, and buying the items that won't change over the next few months. Just a suggestion tho.
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