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August 20, 2010 5:49:52 AM

Hey, I recently got an EAH5850 DirectCU. It seems to be a great card, hdmi isn't working ( i think it's the adapters.... I'm going to try just a simple hdmi to a tv later on) and I suppose I'm getting the boosts in games that I wanted... Bfbc2 entirely maxed at 1280x768 runs at avg 50 and can get down to ~40 Just cause 2 is about 40... at the same res... and Crysis is ~30 entirely maxed at the same res. It occasionally gets up to 40-50 but sometimes drops to 20 for long periods of time... anyone else seen this before? And also, what about bfbc2 and just cause 2? are these about average FPS? or am I missing some serious performance... (I'm thinking so 'cause the Crysis benchmark online shows 65fps for a slightly lower resolution...) anyway... thanks in advance for the help.
August 20, 2010 6:07:06 AM

At that resolution, your gaming performance is likely to be restricted by your CPU. Try turning the resolution higher
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August 20, 2010 6:13:55 AM

okay. Even with the quad? And also, what's with Crysis's low fps? I'm getting lower fps than my 5770 did... maybe a missed setting somewhere?
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August 20, 2010 6:52:40 AM

Have you installed the latest drivers? Try Driversweeper and reinstall 10.6 05 1.5 maybe. Your CPU shouldn't be limiting you and your FPS is way too low.

I have a 5870 @ 1440 x 900 and in JC2 w/ 8 x AA I get 85+ FPS, BCBFC2 I get 80+ fps and around 50 in Crysis. 5850 is weaker but you should be getting better performance. Try a higher resolution like 1680 x 1050 and post your results.
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August 20, 2010 1:14:49 PM

in the urban jungle benchmark I get 28-30 fps. w/ everything maxed including aa and af. I'll up the res and see what happens... And, I'm running catalyst 10.7
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August 20, 2010 1:17:34 PM

also, my card idles at 30c-36c... it's a directcu, so It's supposed to be cold... but is that showing that it's not working hard? (and clock speeds are stock 725/1000
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August 20, 2010 1:36:29 PM

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Core count does not have anything to do with it. It's clock speed that matters. A fast dual core will smoke a slow quad core. If your running 1280x768, you completely wasted your money buying a HD5850. HD5850 wants to run at LEAST 1680x1050.

At 1280x768, all the load is on your cpu and your video card isn't working hardly at all.

I have the fastest quad by AMD... 3.4ghz.
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August 20, 2010 2:00:19 PM

okay... I've tried running at 1280x1024 and it is STILL hitting ~23 fps in areas... I can't believe it! this is the kind of thing that my 5770 did. I'm VERY close to going nvidia right now. And by the way 1280x1024 is the max my monitor can do.
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August 20, 2010 2:01:51 PM

yes, but what they are trying to say is that at the resolution youre trying to play at, your CPU is trying to be your graphics card, and as fast as it is, it simply cant perform at that level. try turning up your resolution to 16080 x 1050, at least in game.
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August 20, 2010 2:08:05 PM

okay. I'll try that.
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August 20, 2010 2:10:07 PM

could someone run a uniengine heaven benchmark w/ everything maxed including tessellation at 1680x1050 and post their results?
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August 20, 2010 2:22:51 PM

I did benchmarks at 1680x1050 w/noaa and got about 35fps, but online they have 34fps w/ 4xaa... so I'm supposed to get 65 fps at 1024x768 but im getting 40
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August 20, 2010 2:28:25 PM

because when you run at lower resolutions it puts more of the load on your CPU and lets your graphics card just sit there and spin.
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August 20, 2010 2:35:39 PM

I know... but at 1680x1050 it shouldn't be spinning... it ran 29 fps instead of 34 with 4xaa... could it be my RAM?
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August 20, 2010 2:39:27 PM

actually, with ddr2 667MHz on crysis, maybe it could be your ram, but im not 100% sure on that. and at 1680 x 1050, it wasnt. crysis is just a demanding app. you might try reinstalling your drivers if you havent.
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August 20, 2010 2:55:22 PM

At 1024x768 jc2 benchmark 8xaa 16xaf and everything max I got ~41 fps. And I had heard that RAM can boost fps by about 5... maybe I'll get a pure am3 and some ddr3
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August 20, 2010 3:11:12 PM

okay... w/ the ctrlaltdel trick it gets 47
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August 20, 2010 3:15:00 PM

You think it's the drivers? I never tried 10.7 until now... maybe they're limiting performance?
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August 20, 2010 3:30:58 PM

is that with the ctrl al del trick? and ill bench them right now.
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August 20, 2010 3:31:17 PM

i would say go for it on the DDR3 i you really want to be as fast as possible. i have it, and its incredible.
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August 20, 2010 3:38:28 PM

thanks :)  and the dark tower 66 fps and desert sunrise 82... but that's w/o the ctrl atl del trick... ( I forgot to do it )
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August 20, 2010 3:38:58 PM

Best answer selected by Martin 71.
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August 20, 2010 3:42:40 PM

Martin 71 said:
I know... but at 1680x1050 it shouldn't be spinning... it ran 29 fps instead of 34 with 4xaa... could it be my RAM?


Don’t base your PC’s performance off of a benchmark as your numbers will always differ, just try and balance your system according to the game you are playing. For instance, not too long ago I was also playing @ 1680x 1050 and I would also get between 25-45FPS in Crysis with no AA so I decided to raise the CPU clock to 4Ghz and also raise my GPU clock to around 950/1250 and the boost was quite large. Here are some examples :

Stock CPU and GPU :

The FPS is located on the top left hand corner



CPU @ 4Ghz / GPU at 950/1250 :



Just like a few already stated, the lower the res the more stress on the CPU so at lower resolutions you will gain FPS if you raise your CPU clock, at higher resolutions you will gain FPS by raising the GPU clock. Your should also be able to get at least 800Mhz out of that ram, also play with your timings. I have an old set of Patriot 667Mhz ram that does 870Mhz on stock voltage.

775/1000 is the stock clock for your GPU (157/300 is your 2D idle clock), Use Smart Doctor to raise your clocks/voltage and you will definitely see a gain in frames.

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August 20, 2010 4:23:36 PM

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omg that some boost u got with that overclock.do u have just cause2 installed.


Not at the moment, right now the only games I have installed are Warhead/BC2/Dirt2/Metro/Stalker CoP..

Too many games to keep up with and not enough time to play!
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August 20, 2010 4:41:03 PM

Martin 71 said:
could someone run a uniengine heaven benchmark w/ everything maxed including tessellation at 1680x1050 and post their results?


not sure if these are the exact same settings you are looking for but this screenshot should help..




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August 20, 2010 6:16:25 PM

oh... yes it is... 950/1200
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August 20, 2010 6:20:05 PM

hey, when I'm playing jc2 it's a steady capped 60 fps, then it goes to 30... not like the card is overloaded, but like the cap was lowered to 30... It's really weird.
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August 20, 2010 6:28:02 PM

Martin 71 said:
uhm, is that w/ an overclock? I hope it is... 'cause I get like 30...


yea, the CPU was at 3.7Ghz and the GPU at 950/1200
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August 20, 2010 7:01:50 PM

grimarchangel said:
because when you run at lower resolutions it puts more of the load on your CPU and lets your graphics card just sit there and spin.


Where do people come up with this? The CPU doesn't do MORE work as you drop the resolution...the GPU simply does less (fewer graphical features).

Next thing, people will say that games will be unplayable at 1024x768 because Quad CPU's are bottlenecked at that resolution...

I got news: Its Crisis; only high end SLI/CF rigs can max it without significant frame loss.
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August 21, 2010 1:54:26 AM

^^That's what I thought...^^ but everyone was saying otherwise... also, that 60 to 30 fps thing is a glitch in the game? that does make sense...
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August 21, 2010 2:17:23 AM

Hey, instead of raising the fsb I raised the fsb to dram ratio... it hit exactly 800... it that okay? or should I change the ratio back to standard and raise the fsb?
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August 21, 2010 2:20:01 AM

grimarchangel said:
yes, but what they are trying to say is that at the resolution youre trying to play at, your CPU is trying to be your graphics card, and as fast as it is, it simply cant perform at that level. try turning up your resolution to 16080 x 1050, at least in game.

dude I didn't know they made 16080x1050 screens! can I buy one? :lol:  jk jk
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August 21, 2010 2:42:18 AM

Martin 71 said:
Hey, instead of raising the fsb I raised the fsb to dram ratio... it hit exactly 800... it that okay? or should I change the ratio back to standard and raise the fsb?


By raising the bus you are also raising the CPU clock so try it at 800 w/o touching the bus and play a few games, if stable leave it alone, if not raise the timings up a notch a re-test.

Can you post a link to the RAM that you are using?
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August 21, 2010 4:01:05 AM

I cant seem to find the timings for your RAM, you should have them printed on the side (white sticker), should read something like 5-5-5-15..

To change the timings you need to go into your Bios and look for a screen similar to this :

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August 21, 2010 2:14:14 PM

I'll try that tonight... I'm at work, but dling it as I type
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August 24, 2010 3:09:43 AM

I'm sure a TON of you are going to be saying "I told you so," but I just gotta put his out there... in Crysis wars, my gpu is at 48% load... so I'm guessing I'm getting bottlenecked by my cpu... I'm going to oc it in a couple minutes... what do you all recommend? 3.6? 3.7? I'm on a stock cooler... but I plan to get a new one soon...
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August 24, 2010 2:07:15 PM

cpu stock is 3.4 but i just oc'ed it to 3.6... I also got the gpu up to 835/1175 I was playing metro 2033 a little while ago, and it was okay... but then it bsod'ed... is taht 'cause i overclocked? and also, what do you all get for fps in that game?
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August 24, 2010 2:25:28 PM

Martin 71 said:
Hey, I recently got an EAH5850 DirectCU. It seems to be a great card, hdmi isn't working ( i think it's the adapters.... I'm going to try just a simple hdmi to a tv later on) and I suppose I'm getting the boosts in games that I wanted... Bfbc2 entirely maxed at 1280x768 runs at avg 50 and can get down to ~40 Just cause 2 is about 40... at the same res... and Crysis is ~30 entirely maxed at the same res. It occasionally gets up to 40-50 but sometimes drops to 20 for long periods of time... anyone else seen this before? And also, what about bfbc2 and just cause 2? are these about average FPS? or am I missing some serious performance... (I'm thinking so 'cause the Crysis benchmark online shows 65fps for a slightly lower resolution...) anyway... thanks in advance for the help.

I've got crossfired sapphire radeon hd5850's with amd965 cpu and I play at 1920 by1200 and average about 37-42 fps in crysis with every other games in the high 60 fps range, so it's not your hardware it's crysis!
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August 24, 2010 2:55:50 PM

i wouldnt try OCing with the stock cooler. ive got a 945, and i wouldnt be surprised if you and i got the same cooler, and i cant get a stable oc on it higher than 1 or 2 fsb increase. though, that might just be because im still not 100% sure how overclocking works, and i cant really find any info about it with my mobo cpu combo.
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August 24, 2010 3:09:13 PM

Martin 71 said:
cpu stock is 3.4 but i just oc'ed it to 3.6... I also got the gpu up to 835/1175 I was playing metro 2033 a little while ago, and it was okay... but then it bsod'ed... is taht 'cause i overclocked? and also, what do you all get for fps in that game?


If you got a blue screen then its most likely the CPU and the not the video card, I have pushed to video card to its limits and it normally freezes or starts artifacting when the clocks are too high. Also make sure you create a fan curve (Afterburner) or crank up the fan speed to at least 65% when playing games (don't use AUTO). Also make sure that your ram frequency/voltage/timings are set according to the manufacturers spec's.
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August 24, 2010 3:22:47 PM

okay... I figured out how to up the vcore... now it's pretty stable... but look at what speedfan is saying for core temp...
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August 24, 2010 3:32:51 PM

Martin 71 said:
okay... I figured out how to up the vcore... now it's pretty stable... but look at what speedfan is saying for core temp... http://i35.tinypic.com/iqd6is.jpg


You have everything backwards, first off why are you raising the bus when overclocking? Leave the bus at 200 and raise the CPU multiplier, you also raised the HT link while upping the FSB so that is going to cause issues as well. Keep the HT link at 2000Mhz and the FSB at 200 (you can mess with those setting later on when you get 100% stability). Your vcore is also pretty low for a 3.8Ghz OC, try raising that to around 1.43v at least.
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August 24, 2010 4:06:41 PM

okay... I did what you said... pretty stable... and here's a pic
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August 24, 2010 4:20:04 PM

Martin 71 said:
okay... I did what you said... pretty stable... and here's a pic http://i33.tinypic.com/ri4uow.jpg


much better ;) 

now copy these settings :

CPU Ratio/Multiplier @ x18 or 3800Mhz
FSB Frequency @ 200
PCI-E Frequency @ 100
CPU/NB Frequency @ 2000
HT Link @ 2000
CPU Loadline Calibration : Enabled
CPU voltage @ 1.45v
CPU/NB @ 1.28v
CPU VDDA @ 2.50425v
HT and NB @ 1.28v
NB 1.8 @ 1.81525v
SB @ 1.23225v
CPU and PCI-E Spread Spectrum : Disabled

your Bios is a bit different than mines but the values should be more or less the same..

Try running prime95 for at least a minute just to see where the CPU temps tops out at, if its under 58c it should be stable, if it goes over 58c then shut down prime and lower the CPU clock and voltage to around 3.6Ghz/1.41v. Your idle is pretty high at the moment, you want to keep that around 40c at the most so you can have a bit of headroom to work with.
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August 24, 2010 5:25:05 PM

hey, I'll do what you said in in a couple hours... I've gotta go somewhere... but I've got $100 for a new aftermarket cpu heatsink... there's 15.5 cm of vertical space in my case... what do you all recommend? I like the look of the cooler master v8... but if there's another that you think is better I just might go with that... also, I would prefer to spend under 50... thanks for all the help guys :) 
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August 24, 2010 5:37:31 PM

what case do you have?
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August 24, 2010 5:41:54 PM

XD I wish you never asked... It's a little case from the Pent 2 days... but I thought it had potential so I modded it... ill post pics in 4 hrs.
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