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October 4, 2010 4:06:18 AM

Greetings everyone!

I would greatly appreciate some help regarding building my own (above-mid range?) system.
I am a layman in terms of PC hardware, but I am willing to learn, and I guess building my own rig would help me learn a lot! :) 
The thing is, I have very limited hardware options due to my location and ordering hardware from the internet is simply not an option for me.

I am migrating from an old 512mb RAM, 1.73 GHz laptop, and anything slightly better than this would feel GREAT to me so a lot of help is needed
in making the right decisions here.

I play games but not competitively, and I'm not much into the new and demanding games; Perhaps a set-up that would be comfortable
to most games would be good enough.

Lastly, I do not plan to upgrade this system for some time. The most important thing is to have what is assembled to last long while not being
left out (except with new high-end games I guess; Although, it would be fantastic if I could still run them at mid-detail ^^).

Here's exactly ALL of the hardware I'm allowed to choose from: http://enigma-phil.com.ph/images/stories/Pricelist.pdf

~Approximate Purchase Date: Any time next week from the date of this post

~Budget Range: roughly 25,000. May be stretched a bit.

~Parts Not Required: LCD Monitor.

~System Usage from Most to Least Important: Image editing, Games, possibly video editing

~Preferred Website(s) for Parts: http://enigma-phil.com.ph/images/stories/Pricelist.pdf

~Country of Origin: Philippines

~Parts Preferences: I've read around that the i5 760 is a pretty good buy but I'm also wondering if it is overkill for
what I want to use my PC for. With that said, I am planning to try my hand at video editing too.. hmm... thoughts?
Also, a CoolerMaster CM690 is available for purchase, do you think I need it? or should I settle for an ordinary ATX case?
Is a 'better' powersupply needed or is the cheapest one good enough? (or do most cases come with power supplies?)

~Overclocking: No. Can't afford failure or wearing out of parts.

~SLI or Crossfire: No.

~Monitor Resolution: I guess the resolutions that support an 18.5" LCD?

~Additional Comments: It would be really helpful if you could also post the reason as to why you recommend certain parts.

I hope that my request for help is not asking a bit too much from you guys. I realize that it might be 'more fun' to help people build
their dream PC (with their insane budgets) but I'm still hoping to hear from you guys. Thanks in advance!
a b B Homebuilt system
October 4, 2010 4:10:09 AM

Err 25,000.00 PHP = 571.886 USD so usually at that range you'd be looking at


AthlonII X3
770/785G mobo
4GB DDR3
HD 5770 - GTX 460
500-600W 80+ PSU

yada yada
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October 4, 2010 4:35:06 AM

...thanks for the reply.....
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October 4, 2010 4:57:20 AM

AMD Athlon II x3 440 3,400
Seagate 500gb 7200 SATA 2,000
Sapphire HD5770 1gb 6,700
All the PSUs look like trash, is there anywhere else you could possibly buy from? If a long-lasting computer is needed, a nice PSU is a must.
CM690 3,950
24x SATA 1,150
2x2gb Geil ddr3 1333 3,800

Total: 21,000 without PSU, keyboard, mouse
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October 4, 2010 5:15:24 AM

^hmm... with that build in mind, what mobo should I use? thanks for the quick response as well.
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October 4, 2010 10:21:59 AM

hmm... initially i was opting for an i5 760, but after more thought, it would be bad
to sacrifice almost everything else for this processor, so i thought of this... thoughts?

INTEL CORE i3 540 3.06 LGA1156
GIGABYTE GA-H55M-S2H INTEL H55
COOLERMASTER CM690 case
KINGSTON 2GB DDR3 PC10600 1,850 (x2) = 4 GB
WESTERN 500GB 7200 SATA Blue
SAPPHIRE HD5570 1GB DDR3 128BIT ~ can this run most recent 3d games?

hoping for more replies. >_<
BUMP.
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 4, 2010 2:38:54 PM

Err let me see u dropped from the recommeded HD 5770/GTX 460 to a 5570? Seems to me instead of taking our word for it u have to do your part and Google gaming benchmarks for those cards?
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October 4, 2010 3:11:22 PM

amd is always a better option on a budget build, do not go for an i3
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 4, 2010 3:30:25 PM

looking at your price list and budget, and remembering you need EVERYTHING (keyboard, mouse, monitor, etc):

AMD AM3 ATHLON II X3 440 3.0 GHZ 3,400
ASROCK M3A785GM-LE HD4200/DDR3/5.1 2,800
KINGSTON 2GB DDR3 PC10600 1,850
KINGSTON 2GB DDR3 PC10600 1,850
SAPPHIRE HD5670 1GB DDR5 128BIT 4,700
WESTERN 320GB 7200 SATA Blue 1,750
HP DVDRW 24X DUAL LAYER SATA 950
atx v12 case w/ Keybd & mouse 1300
CREATIVE 2.0 SBS A40 speakers 500
VIEWSONIC 18.5" VA1913WM LCD 5,550
HEC RAPTOR POWER 500W 2,150


This doesn't include Windows, and gives you a 1440x900 monitor.

(edit)

Forgot the PSU, which means I had to lower the Hard drive ad the video card to stay under PH25000. the 5670 should be good for games at 1440x900 though. th eHEC PSU isn't great, but overall, the company gets 4 eggs at Newegg, so fairly reliable
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October 5, 2010 10:58:17 AM

Hello again... I decided to wait it out some more (around another week) to accumulate
a better budget this time (say around 35k) since I don't want to regret on buying too many low end parts and I'm afraid the performance of the system as a whole will suffer...

batuchka said:
Err let me see u dropped from the recommeded HD 5770/GTX 460 to a 5570? Seems to me instead of taking our word for it u have to do your part and Google gaming benchmarks for those cards?


The only reason I am going for it is because I can not afford the 5770 and 460. :( 
I have read some of the guides here as well... Is this enough for mid-setting on new games though?

So this is what I've come up with so far. I guess I'm leaning towards intel because I have *read* many times that AMD's performances lean more towards gaming and fall a bit in other tasks. As I sad, I also plan to edit videos in the near future.

INTEL CORE i5 760 2.8 LGA1156 - 9,050
ASUS P7H55-M 1156/DDR3/HDMI/8CH/GLAN - 4,950 <<really not sure here
COOLERMASTER CM690 - 3,950
PHILIPS 18.5" 191EL1SB/69 LED - 5,800 << out of preference, ScrewySqrl
KINGSTON 2GB DDR3 PC10600 1,850
KINGSTON 2GB DDR3 PC10600 1,850
WESTERN 500GB 7200 SATA Blue 1,950
SAPPHIRE HD5570 1GB DDR3 128BIT 3,400
LITE ON 24X DUAL SATA ( IHAS324/124 ) 1,150
HEC RAPTOR POWER 500W 2,150

TOTAL OF 36,100... If I leave out the other 2GB of RAM to be bought later, I'd have 34250 as total. (I already have a KB & mouse btw, sorry)

What do you guys think?

And what do you think about using the Intel DH55PJ and H55TC?

Appreciate all the help.
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October 5, 2010 1:55:52 PM

what i would do is get a cheaper case, then maybe get a better 1 as an upgrade, you dont want a 5570, you would get better performance with an x3 445 cpu and a hd5770 over an i5 760 and a 5570 in games, the i5 760 is brilliant but i wouldnt sacrifice on the gpu, unless in the future you can upgrade the gpu
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October 7, 2010 8:27:34 AM

hmm yeah, perhaps that is the better alternative. how about the motherboard i chose though? is it good enough? or is it ok to bottleneck it for a better GPU?
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October 8, 2010 10:14:21 AM

bump? D:
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 8, 2010 11:24:10 AM

motherboard is fine.

hoever, for what you are spending in intel processor and motherboard, you could get windows 7, an AMD 965 and motherboard
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October 8, 2010 11:27:42 AM

You've definitely got a GPU bottleneck. HD 5570 and i5 760 come from completely different budget ranges. Typically an i5 760 would be paired with a GTX460 or HD5850, but the 5570... More for people who don't game but don't have a mobo w/ integrated GPUs.

I suggest you start over with AMD given your limited budget. Something like...
CPU: AMD Athlon II x4 635 [4700] <-4 cores, better for video editing than the dual core i5-530 I think.
MOBO: Asus M4N68T-M [2650] <- basic motherboard, but its all you'd really need. Asus means great quality.
CASE: Coolermaster CM690 [3950] <- If you had the option, an Antec Sonata III 500 would be much better but its not there. The Antec sonata III comes with a great PSU.
LED: Philips 18.5" 191EL1SB/69 LED [5800] <-since you said you like that one
RAM: Kingston 2GB DDR3 PC10600 x2 [3700] <-You can afford 4GB so go for it.
HDD: Western digital 500GB Blue [1950]
GPU: Sapphire HD5670 [4700] <-should be fine for 18.5" monitor, but the 5570's a bit weak.
ODD: Lite On 24X iHas324/124 [1150]
PSU: These all look iffy... HEC Raptor Power 500W [2150]

This comes to 30,750.

If you can, though... find somewhere to sell you a better PSU at least. If your PSU fails your whole system crashes. Good brands are corsair, seasonic, antec, etc - find the thread on these forums regarding PSUs.
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October 8, 2010 11:37:16 AM

Thanks again for the replies...

Yeah, it seems I really have to go with AMD or else I'll sacrifice almost everything for the cpu and mobo... >_<

I only feel that the AMD processors and mobo's available here are not the best I can get or incomplete (with regards to their newer processors and mobos) or are the cheap prices just blinding me?

If this AMD build is good though, I think I can afford a better GPU then...
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 8, 2010 11:45:53 AM

the Athlon II and Phenom II are modern AMD processors, and any 8xx-series motherboard is also the most modern (But a DDR3 version of a 770 or 785 is also good enough).

with a 35K Budget, I'd look at the 965 and a hd5770 or gtx460. that should be good for easily 2-3 years
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 8, 2010 11:49:20 AM

The cheap prices are blinding you.

Actually AMD prices are reasonable.

You are mistaking expensive Intel with significantly greater quality.

AMD is the king of the sub 700 build, to choose anything but AMD would actually be a worse performing system, which I think everyone here has pretty much said twice.
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 8, 2010 11:50:48 AM

ScrewySqrl said:
the Athlon II and Phenom II are modern AMD processors, and any 8xx-series motherboard is also the most modern (But a DDR3 version of a 770 or 785 is also good enough).

with a 35K Budget, I'd look at the 965 and a hd5770 or gtx460. that should be good for easily 2-3 years


I'd be willing to bet that someone coming from a 512MB system with a 1.73 GHz Laptop would cream themselves over a Quad Core AMD with a mid-range discrete GPU like the 460/5770.

It's about perspective. I think with the recommended AMD builds and his typical usage/life span he'll be happy for 4-6 years.
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October 8, 2010 11:51:14 AM

rzilla91 said:
You've definitely got a GPU bottleneck. HD 5570 and i5 760 come from completely different budget ranges. Typically an i5 760 would be paired with a GTX460 or HD5850, but the 5570... More for people who don't game but don't have a mobo w/ integrated GPUs.

I suggest you start over with AMD given your limited budget. Something like...
CPU: AMD Athlon II x4 635 [4700] <-4 cores, better for video editing than the dual core i5-530 I think.
MOBO: Asus M4N68T-M [2650] <- basic motherboard, but its all you'd really need. Asus means great quality.
CASE: Coolermaster CM690 [3950] <- If you had the option, an Antec Sonata III 500 would be much better but its not there. The Antec sonata III comes with a great PSU.
LED: Philips 18.5" 191EL1SB/69 LED [5800] <-since you said you like that one
RAM: Kingston 2GB DDR3 PC10600 x2 [3700] <-You can afford 4GB so go for it.
HDD: Western digital 500GB Blue [1950]
GPU: Sapphire HD5670 [4700] <-should be fine for 18.5" monitor, but the 5570's a bit weak.
ODD: Lite On 24X iHas324/124 [1150]
PSU: These all look iffy... HEC Raptor Power 500W [2150]

This comes to 30,750.

If you can, though... find somewhere to sell you a better PSU at least. If your PSU fails your whole system crashes. Good brands are corsair, seasonic, antec, etc - find the thread on these forums regarding PSUs.

theres nothing wrong with an i5 750 and a 5770, granted it is better to go with maybe a cheaper cpu and get a better graphics card, but there is nothing wrong with a 5770 it only struggles a bit when you are playing on 1920x1080
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October 8, 2010 11:54:33 AM

Okay okay... I'm convinced... xDD

Sorry for being stubborn... It's hard to be spoonfed with Intel technology (It's pretty dominant here).

So could anyone kindly summarize it a bit for me?

If it's okay, it would be great to know what better recommended parts I should look for (cpu,mobo) in case the ones in this list are kind of bottom-bucket ones..

TYSM again! :) 
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October 8, 2010 10:24:38 PM

sir philus said:
theres nothing wrong with an i5 750 and a 5770, granted it is better to go with maybe a cheaper cpu and get a better graphics card, but there is nothing wrong with a 5770 it only struggles a bit when you are playing on 1920x1080


I'd be more than happy with an i5 to go with my 5770, but unfortunately he can't afford it - sorry if I wasn't clear :) 
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October 9, 2010 6:20:26 AM

Quick question, would it be recommended for me to go for an AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE 3.4 8MB CPU [8,850] instead?
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 9, 2010 10:16:46 AM

the 965 is a great cpu
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 9, 2010 10:22:50 AM

might get a 955 cheaper though and the overclock to the same standards as a 965, just try to save a few dollars on the build
Moto
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October 10, 2010 12:06:16 PM

Cool...

Well I found another hardware retailer around here and I tweaked what I was
planning a little and came up with this... Care to comment guys? :) 

[CPU] AMD Phenom II x4 945 3.0 GHz 8mb [7,000] <there's a 2,850 difference with 965 so I chose the 945 instead, would that be okay? Or should I stick to Athlon II x4 635?
[Mobo] ASUS M4N68T-M DDR3 [2,650] <cheap. would it slow down performance?
[HDD] WD 500GB 7200rpm sata [1,850]
[Monitor] Philips 18.5" LED [5,700]
[RAM] Either 2GB Kingston DDR3 PC10600 x2 [3,700]
-or- 2GB Zeppelin (or Supertalent brand) DDR3 PC1333 w/ heatsink [3,800]
which one should I choose?
[Optical] Liteon 24x dual sata [1,150]
[GPU] Sapphire HD 5770 1gb ddr5 128bit [6,700]
[CASE + PSU] Antec Sonata iii w/ Earth 500 W [6,900] <feels expensive, but I think I can carry this over to my next build in the future. Plus, no need to worry about finding a good PSU (which is an issue here).\

Totalling to around 35,650 give and take. Might buy the other 2GB RAM later too to keep it under 35. Comments please? :) 
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 10, 2010 12:24:26 PM

you don't want that motherboard, its slower and older than a more up to date board would be.
the ASROCK M3A785GM-LE HD4200/DDR3/5.1CH/AM3 at 2800 would work just fine

the 945 is ok as a processor, just slower than the 965
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October 10, 2010 12:31:52 PM

but it IS better than an athlon ii x4 right? due to the l3 cache?

ok cool, i will read about that motherboard. thanks a lot. :) 
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 10, 2010 12:39:14 PM

yes.

if you still need to trim money, see about what the cost to you of an Athlon II X4 640 is
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October 10, 2010 12:45:06 PM

thanks again.

Unfortunately the 640 is not available here; there's only the 635 which costs 4,700.

I was opting for a cheap phenom ii x4 945 3.0 ghz over the 635 2.9 mostly coz I read a couple of articles about their difference (L3 cache + some speed bumps); do you think it's worth getting the Phenom?
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 10, 2010 1:05:19 PM

thats not a bad little chip, one thing I would say is you want 4Gb of ram,not 2Gb and yes L3 cache is a good boost for gaming (amongst other applications)
Moto
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October 10, 2010 1:07:36 PM

Yes, I am going for 4gb total, Moto. :) 

hmm only concern about the chip is whether it would fit right onto the antec sonata iii case as it is mATX. Would I need to get an additional plate for the back or something?

Cheers. :D 
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a b B Homebuilt system
October 10, 2010 1:22:58 PM

As long as you use stock cooler it will fit fine, **Edit, wont need additional backplate for that**
then you could measure up clearances for an aftermarket one if you want to overclock but at least then you'd know how big a cooler you could fit in there
Moto
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