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October 5, 2010 6:26:34 PM

Hi, i am building a new system and and im stuck between the Silverstone Raven and the Corsair Obsidian 800d
I want to get the 800d but im not sure.
Id like to know size comparison cooling and stuff (Im using watercooling)
System Specs:

CPU: Intel i7 960 3.2Ghz

Water Cooling: Swiftech H2O-220 Ultima XT

Motherboard: Asus Rampage III Extreme x58 Chipset

Internal Expansion: Asus U3S6 Storage USB 3.0

Memory: Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1333MHz 4GB CL9 ( 1 x 4gb )

GPU: eVGA Geforce GTX 470 Point Of View

Power Supply: Corsair HX1000W 1000W Strømforsyning

Hard Drive: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 SATA2

Optical Drive: 24x Double layer DVD RW Super Allwrite

Future Upgrades:
2x 5970's
24GB ddr3 RAM
i7 980x 3.33Ghz
1500w PSU
1x 500gb SSD
2x 2TB HDD
October 5, 2010 7:19:30 PM

Also the new sandy bridge prosessors might be out soon so i am planning on maybe buying one of thoose :) 
October 5, 2010 8:05:40 PM

no answers?
October 5, 2010 8:13:39 PM

Both of those cases are great. When I was doing my build in april I looked at both of those and got the Silverstone FT02 (internally practically the same as the Raven). One thing I can say is that the 800D is a MONSTER, it is one huge rig. Although I am not too familiar with the water cooling (only in theory) what I can say is that it really breaks down to this. The 800D is really built as a water cooling rig whereas the 90 degree rotated design of the FT02 and the Raven are really built to be air cooled. Because of the rotated design, the Raven has just a bit less space internally due to the three large fans in the bottom. SO since you will be doing water cooling, I would suggest the 800D since it is a pleasure to work with, tons of space, love the grommets for cable management and quite a lot of space behind the mobo for wires.

As far the CPU goes, personally I would hold off it I was just planning to build now. Although the i7s are awesome and can be overclocked pretty easily, the sandy bridges are looking pretty damn sexy.

Hopefully this helps out a bit.
October 5, 2010 8:19:10 PM

bCubed said:
Both of those cases are great. When I was doing my build in april I looked at both of those and got the Silverstone FT02 (internally practically the same as the Raven). One thing I can say is that the 800D is a MONSTER, it is one huge rig. Although I am not too familiar with the water cooling (only in theory) what I can say is that it really breaks down to this. The 800D is really built as a water cooling rig whereas the 90 degree rotated design of the FT02 and the Raven are really built to be air cooled. Because of the rotated design, the Raven has just a bit less space internally due to the three large fans in the bottom. SO since you will be doing water cooling, I would suggest the 800D since it is a pleasure to work with, tons of space, love the grommets for cable management and quite a lot of space behind the mobo for wires.

As far the CPU goes, personally I would hold off it I was just planning to build now. Although the i7s are awesome and can be overclocked pretty easily, the sandy bridges are looking pretty damn sexy.

Hopefully this helps out a bit.

Thank you dude, you answered all my questions :) 
But i'm not sure when the Sandy bridge comes out, since i am getting the parts around Christmas (sales)
and I live in Norway, so it could take a while before the new cpu's come in stock here
a b B Homebuilt system
October 5, 2010 8:33:44 PM

Some things to consider: Since you're using a high-end motherboard, and using a high-end cooler, why not save $280 on the processor, get the i7 950 and use all of your other components to support a decent overclock from an already-healthy stock speed of 3.06 GHz? Or how high were you trying to get?

You also might want to consider some faster RAM. You don't want slow RAM to hold back your overclocking of the CPU. 1333 CAS 9 is not good considering you can get 1600 CAS 7 for not much more. But why did you pick just one stick of RAM? The x58 processors can use triple-channel memory, so you're effectively cutting your bandwidth by 67%. Well, actually. Let's see:

CPU: Core i7 950 ($300)
CPU Cooler: Whatever you want
GPU: 2 x GTX 470 ($600)
MOBO: Gigabyte UD3R ($210), ASUS P6X58D-E ($230)
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB ($75)
SSD: OCZ Vertex 2 120 GB ($210 after rebate)
RAM: G.Skill Pi Series 1600 MHz, CAS 7, 6 GB (3 x 2 GB) ($160)
PSU: Corsair HX1000 to support all of your water-cooling apparatus, overclocks, and dual GPUs ($210 after rebate)
CASE: Corsair 800D ($250 shipped)

TOTAL Before water-cooling kit: $2115

Or you could get the RAVEN case for $180 and just add a Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme for $63
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This changes your total cost to $2008 all included.

This is mostly a gaming build, right? Is this outside of your budget? The choices in the OP are odd, so I just put together a really really fast gaming build.
October 5, 2010 8:34:25 PM

No prob and interesting. Overall the sandys are supposed to be out early 2011 and on but like all processors they will have different ones with different performance and those will be staggered in launches most likely. Also, since you haven't mentioned it, I want to ask if you plan to OC because if that is the case, the word is that the sandys will be a bit harder to overclock than the i7s. But since you still have a bit of time, you can just keep track of them up until the point you order. Best of luck on the build and show some pics when done!
October 5, 2010 8:43:01 PM

bCubed said:
No prob and interesting. Overall the sandys are supposed to be out early 2011 and on but like all processors they will have different ones with different performance and those will be staggered in launches most likely. Also, since you haven't mentioned it, I want to ask if you plan to OC because if that is the case, the word is that the sandys will be a bit harder to overclock than the i7s. But since you still have a bit of time, you can just keep track of them up until the point you order. Best of luck on the build and show some pics when done!

Thanks, and yes planning on overclocking to around 3,7ghz depending on heat and stuff :) 
OFC i will upload pics :)  got skype or something?
I can send it directly to u :)  and incase i have some more problems it would be faster to contact you?
Anyways Thanks so much
October 5, 2010 8:44:23 PM

mortonww said:
Some things to consider: Since you're using a high-end motherboard, and using a high-end cooler, why not save $280 on the processor, get the i7 950 and use all of your other components to support a decent overclock from an already-healthy stock speed of 3.06 GHz? Or how high were you trying to get?

You also might want to consider some faster RAM. You don't want slow RAM to hold back your overclocking of the CPU. 1333 CAS 9 is not good considering you can get 1600 CAS 7 for not much more. But why did you pick just one stick of RAM? The x58 processors can use triple-channel memory, so you're effectively cutting your bandwidth by 67%. Well, actually. Let's see:

CPU: Core i7 950 ($300)
CPU Cooler: Whatever you want
GPU: 2 x GTX 470 ($600)
MOBO: Gigabyte UD3R ($210), ASUS P6X58D-E ($230)
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1 TB ($75)
SSD: OCZ Vertex 2 120 GB ($210 after rebate)
RAM: G.Skill Pi Series 1600 MHz, CAS 7, 6 GB (3 x 2 GB) ($160)
PSU: Corsair HX1000 to support all of your water-cooling apparatus, overclocks, and dual GPUs ($210 after rebate)
CASE: Corsair 800D ($250 shipped)

TOTAL Before water-cooling kit: $2115

Or you could get the RAVEN case for $180 and just add a Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme for $63
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This changes your total cost to $2008 all included.

This is mostly a gaming build, right? Is this outside of your budget? The choices in the OP are odd, so I just put together a really really fast gaming build.

Yes the parts are odd becouse i am going to upgrade EVERYTHING this is just the basic, i am limited to a budget around that so im gonna get newer parts in the future :) 

a b B Homebuilt system
October 5, 2010 8:47:48 PM

If the budget is limited, AT LEAST drop to an i7 950 and use the extra money to get a proper RAM kit. You could also do with the Gigabyte UD3R which has been shown to support quite high overclocks and which also supports up to 24 GB of DDR3, USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 and use the money saved to get a better GPU configuration now. There's no reason for you to have a single channel of memory. Just don't do that.

Also, how far are you planning to get with the watercooling kit? Are you just doing it for the CPU or for the GPUs too? If you are planning to do that, get the 800D, but if not, the RAVEN may be a better choice. As stated before, the RAVEN is probably more suited for high performance air cooling whereas a lot of the 800D's value is lost if you aren't utilizing it for watercooling your components.
October 5, 2010 10:00:44 PM

mortonww said:
If the budget is limited, AT LEAST drop to an i7 950 and use the extra money to get a proper RAM kit. You could also do with the Gigabyte UD3R which has been shown to support quite high overclocks and which also supports up to 24 GB of DDR3, USB 3.0 and SATA 6.0 and use the money saved to get a better GPU configuration now. There's no reason for you to have a single channel of memory. Just don't do that.

Also, how far are you planning to get with the watercooling kit? Are you just doing it for the CPU or for the GPUs too? If you are planning to do that, get the 800D, but if not, the RAVEN may be a better choice. As stated before, the RAVEN is probably more suited for high performance air cooling whereas a lot of the 800D's value is lost if you aren't utilizing it for watercooling your components.

Ok so far idea:

Change cpu to a i7 930 for now.
Change RAM to Corsair Dominator GT 2000MHz DDR3 6GB (3 x 2gb)
In future i will upgrade to 12gb Corsair Dominator GT 2000MHz DDR3 ram (6 x 2gb)
October 5, 2010 10:05:17 PM

pivotax said:
Hi, i am building a new system and and im stuck between the Silverstone Raven and the Corsair Obsidian 800d
I want to get the 800d but im not sure.
Id like to know size comparison cooling and stuff (Im using watercooling)
System Specs:

CPU: Intel i7 960 3.2Ghz

Water Cooling: Swiftech H2O-220 Ultima XT

Motherboard: Asus Rampage III Extreme x58 Chipset

Internal Expansion: Asus U3S6 Storage USB 3.0

Memory: Corsair XMS3 DDR3 1333MHz 4GB CL9 ( 1 x 4gb )

GPU: eVGA Geforce GTX 470 Point Of View

Power Supply: Corsair HX1000W 1000W Strømforsyning

Hard Drive: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 SATA2

Optical Drive: 24x Double layer DVD RW Super Allwrite

Future Upgrades:
2x 5970's
24GB ddr3 RAM
i7 980x 3.33Ghz
1500w PSU
1x 500gb SSD
2x 2TB HDD



I would say the Corsair if it is really between those two, but the Antec 1200 and the Antec DF-85 are more hardcore in my opinion
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