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Advice, please? (GTX460 / 470 / ATI 5850 / 5870)

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August 23, 2010 4:09:53 AM

Hello!

I'm building an AMD computer with one of the 890 boards. I need to choose a graphics card. The machine is going to play FFXIV. I'm debating between GTX 460 / 470 or ATI 5850 / 5870. I have bad vision and game on a 37" HDTV that is 720p.

I'm looking to see which card is going to give me the best overall value? I realize I could likely just get the 460 and be fine but I'm considering the other cards for the sake of convenience -- do not want to get a card and have it be completely obsolete in a year. However my feelings on this are likely clouded since my current graphics card is a Radeon HD 4350 which I only learned recently is basically a step above integrated graphics. (Was. Not. Impressed.)

Some friends argue go ATI for Crossfire but I doubt I would use it.

Some say go ATI since ATI cards are peforming better on the FFXIV benchmark.

Some are saying go ATI because "nVidia are cooking bacon and eggs -- their cards are power hungry and will turn your room into an inferno."

On the other hand some friends are telling me an nVidia card is generally more powerful and would fit my machine's design better since I want to stick to a single card.

Some people are telling me that nVidia is a better choice since I like doing video editing as well as gaming.

And some people are telling me that the nVidia GTX 470 is closer to a 5870 then it is to a 5850.

Can someone debunk some of this mythology? I'm not interested in graphics card wars -- I care about what card is ultimately going to get the job done best for *me*.

Thanks for your time! :) 
a c 153 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 5:03:37 AM

At 720, a 460 1GB should be enough (220 dollars), but if you can get a 470 for around 260-280 dollars I would get that instead, especially since you do more then gaming, there are a few good deals going on NewEgg.

However, what PSU do you have/are getting? It could effect your decision.
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a b U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 5:18:26 AM

I would recommend you wait a month because by that time the new ATI 6xxx series will be out.(code named southern islands)
This means that the current 5xxx series will receive a price drop, it also means that you can pick up a 6850 which is expected to
be equivalent to the 5870 for the same price as the current 5850's and with more features.

But, if you need a card urgent, I'd say get a 460 minimum(and maybe SLi it in future) or get a better 5850 for a little bit more, but
with more performance. then of course depending on you budget you could go as high as the 5870 which is of course better than
the 5850 again.

-Joe

EDIT: I'd recommend a EVGA if you go for nVidia or a HIS/Asus if you go for ATi
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August 23, 2010 8:34:48 AM

First of all they are coming out in November, which is closer to 3 months. Second they have been said to be just a slight upgrade but with more efficiency over the current 5xxx series. My guess it's not going to be a 6xxx series card but the equivalent to a 4890 to the 4870, and I've heard rumours that they are only releasing the lower end first. Regardless I'm almost certain these new cards WILL NOT be the 6xxx series. It would just be to soon especially since they are still pumping out new cards into their 5xxx series it wouldn't make sense at all. If you are really itching for a new card a gtx 460 1gb card would do nicely, preferable the asus cucore, msi cyclone or gigabyte 1gb model and you can overclock them very well. If you can afford a gtx 470 I'd get that. They are pretty much equal to the 5850 in price on most sites, so there is really no point in buying a 5850 and the gtx 470 preforms very close to the 5870.
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a b U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 9:44:50 AM

True, But even if he does not want a new 6xxx the old 5xxx series will drop dramatically
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a b U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 10:05:09 AM

Out four i would go for HD5870. If you have the budget then why not. The GTX470 is much more at the HD5850 level. The GTX460 1GB is a nice option if you want to go for SLI in the future. But you have to have an SLI ready board for that. Hope that your PSU is upto the mark!
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a c 273 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 11:16:40 AM

decode said:
I would recommend you wait a month because by that time the new ATI 6xxx series will be out.(code named southern islands)
This means that the current 5xxx series will receive a price drop, it also means that you can pick up a 6850 which is expected to
be equivalent to the 5870 for the same price as the current 5850's and with more features.

But, if you need a card urgent, I'd say get a 460 minimum(and maybe SLi it in future) or get a better 5850 for a little bit more, but
with more performance. then of course depending on you budget you could go as high as the 5870 which is of course better than
the 5850 again.

-Joe

EDIT: I'd recommend a EVGA if you go for nVidia or a HIS/Asus if you go for ATi


hell_storm2004 said:
Out four i would go for HD5870. If you have the budget then why not. The GTX470 is much more at the HD5850 level. The GTX460 1GB is a nice option if you want to go for SLI in the future. But you have to have an SLI ready board for that. Hope that your PSU is upto the mark!


Are the 890 boards SLi capable?
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a b U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 11:18:59 AM

Certain 890X Boards are SLi capable, Here's a list of some on newegg

~as a side note, I should have confirmed which mobo he/she had.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 11:22:59 AM

He will be gaming at 720p which is 1280×720. ALL of these cards are overkill really. You should be looking at either the HD5770 or the GTX 460 at most. Either will be great for that resolution for a long time to come and spending more will give you very little benefit.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 11:26:22 AM

decode said:
Certain 890X Boards are SLi capable, Here's a list of some on newegg

~as a side note, I should have confirmed which mobo he/she had.

Those are not 890X motherboards. They use an Nvidia chipset.
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a c 273 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 11:31:49 AM

decode said:
Certain 890X Boards are SLi capable, Here's a list of some on newegg

~as a side note, I should have confirmed which mobo he/she had.

[:wolfen18:9] ;) 
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a b U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 11:47:48 AM

Yes, smart, I should REALLY look when I'm investigating stuff.
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a c 130 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 1:39:40 PM

decode said:
True, But even if he does not want a new 6xxx the old 5xxx series will drop dramatically


Not very probable based on pricing over the latest two generations. Only recently i went through pricing for a thread on a similar matter and the 4870 is exactly the same price it was when the 5770 launched. so that's nearly a year and no movement.
Whats more probable is they will price the SI cards above but so close to the 5 series that not paying the extra for the "new and improved card" will seem silly. Remember its not a big jump this time and as such if they drop the 5 series at all people will just buy those and not the new cards which are the ones they need to sell. Basically the 5 series would have been aimed at making X as a revenue stream and after that they use it to prop up the sales of the next gen as i suggested above.
Towards the end of the life of the SI series then the 5 series will start to drop.

Mactronix
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a b U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 1:48:15 PM

Mousemonkey said:
Are the 890 boards SLi capable?

No. I don't think so.
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a c 273 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 1:51:36 PM

hell_storm2004 said:
No. I don't think so.

It was a rhetorical question as I know they're not.
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a b U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 2:30:34 PM

I would rank for price vs performance as follows:

GTX460 / HD5850 / HD5870 / GTX470

The GTX460 is a hard card to beat for price vs performance. It doesn't produce the heat like the GTX470 and GTX480 and it can come close the the HD5850 at times (You would need to OC the GTX460 to beat the HD5850 alll the time). The HD5850 and HD5870 are really nice cards that perform well and don't get too warm, however, they are more expensive per frame then the GTX460.

So in conclusion, I would recommend the GTX460 for the price vs performance at the resolution you will be playing at.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 7:55:14 PM

deweycd said:
I would rank for price vs performance as follows:

GTX460 / HD5850 / HD5870 / GTX470

With GTX 470s as low as $260 after rebate and an HD5850 on newegg for $255 I'd say both are better values for the money than the GTX 460 to be honest.
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August 23, 2010 10:41:04 PM

Thanks for all the feeback. :)  A few quick points:

1. I'm a "she". :p  Not your fault; 90% of those who design PCs are male.

2. I should have been more clear regarding time frame: I have to have my build decided on within the next week so waiting for a 6xxx series card is out, although I suppose it could be pointed out that I could get a card now and invest more heavily if the new stuff is better.

3. I notice a lot of you are suggesting SLI. Out of curiousity is this because I mentioned the 460, because SLI is ultimately "better" or simply a minor error since you forgot / didn't notice that 890 boards do not offer it?

4. Basically what I am looking at is whether its smarter to buy a lower cost card like the 460 and upgrade in 18 - 24 months / whenever something comes out that warrents it, or whether I will get more "time" out of one of the bigger cards. Yet again: I realize my resolution is going to play fine to overkill, but I am due for a monitor / TV upgrade right after the PC so I am thinking a little ahead as well.

4. It would seem that the comments my friend made about the 470 were opinion based rather then any kind of commonly held fact. Interesting.

Thanks again.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 10:47:05 PM

If you're due for a monitor upgrade I'd go with the GTX470 as I said in my first post. If you plan on sticking at your resolution stick with the GTX460 1gb version.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 10:49:54 PM

If you are going to upgrade to 1080p in the near future then I would recommend the GTX 470 or HD5850. This is actually a really good deal if you want to save some cash;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Not the best cooling but it should do the job and for that price you can't complain. If you want it then get it today before the promo code expires.
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a b U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 11:44:08 PM

jyjjy said:
He will be gaming at 720p which is 1280×720. ALL of these cards are overkill really. You should be looking at either the HD5770 or the GTX 460 at most. Either will be great for that resolution for a long time to come and spending more will give you very little benefit.


+1 Thank Goodness someone said it! Reading through all the earlier posts I couldn't believe nobody brought this point up until jyjjy finally did.

As others stated, if you are going to upgrade to 1080p I'd also suggest the ATI 5850 or GTX 470. They would be your best bets for that resolution. However, if you stick with 720p (long-term) I can't see why doing more than a GTX 460 768MB would be needed.
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August 24, 2010 7:24:22 PM

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a c 273 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:30:45 PM

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