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[Graphics Cards] To upgrade or not?

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August 23, 2010 8:45:27 PM

Ok so I recently rebuilt with a i5 760 Quad 2.8Ghz, 8Gigs A-Data DDR31600 and MSI P55A-GD65 motherboard. Other components are Corsair 850TX PSU, Antec900 Case, BFG GTX275 OC 896Meg GDDR3, dual Samsung 2333SW Monitors, dual Samsung DvDRW and (2) 250Gig HD one WD other is seagate.

Now with all the rebuilding I have done kinda got the itch to put a new video card in. The MSI will support Xfire (newegg shows SLI/Xfire however MSI site shows only Xfire), so if I go dual cards has to be ATI. I multitask alot, usually on a given day I can have 2 games, browser with 6-10tabs, voice comm, and more running. The game I play that probably is the heaviest on my graphics is CoDMW2 and/or Battlefield Bad Company 2.

The best I can find is that a single 5770 is about equal to what I have now, so in theory if I run dual 5770's in Xfire shouldn't it be better? Or would I be better served with a beefier single card such as a GTX470 or a HD 5870? I play WoW, CSS, MW2, BFBC2, UT2004 as well I use photoshop and Illustrator alot as well.

Thanks for any input, looking to purchase in the next 2 weeks budget is between $400-$500.

Here is the 5770 I have been looking at: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Link to my Motherboard's product page: http://us.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_no=...
Link to current Video Card specs: http://www.bfgtech.com/bfgegtx275896ocxe.aspx

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a b U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 8:49:20 PM

what resolution is your monitor?
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a c 105 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 8:56:01 PM

Dude, if you have that much money to spend you don't dicker around with 2 low end cards you get one high end card. There will be no comparison. Two low end cards may have the same or near same FPS numbers but the real performance will NOT be there. Especially when the game you play doesn't cross fire well.

Using your card vs the 5770......... takes in point what I just said. If it were better performance i was looking for vs FPS the 275 or a 4870/90 1gig would be my choice of card over the 5770. Don't crap on yourself.
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August 23, 2010 8:56:20 PM

1920x1080 sorry forgot to include that.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 9:19:53 PM

jyjjy said:
I would go for a GTX 470.


Agreed.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 9:23:30 PM

lol
You agree then I change my mind and edit right after :p 
Actually the GTX 470 should be more than enough for 1080p, especially if you overclock but two HD5850s would be the best you can do for the budget you have set.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 23, 2010 9:28:01 PM

Yeah I was thinking a 470 should be enough for him, at 1080p as well.
The Crossfire choice isn't bad either, it will deffinitly last longer and does fit in his budget.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 4:06:40 AM

Don't pay for someone else to overclock your video card, it is just a waste of money. It is very easy to do on your own and you will get much better results.
If you are going to pay that much get the Twin Frozr card for the best cooling;
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Free Just Cause 2 and Mafia 2 is sweet as well.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:12:03 AM

That HD5870 costs $400, not $300. In general the card isn't nearly worth the price difference compared to the HD5850 or GTX 470 IMO. When overclocking is taken into account the difference in performance tends to shrink down to almost nothing.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:21:06 AM

True, However as the 5870 is generally cooler, and use's less power theres those factors to consider, extra power used = extra money spent in the long run.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:31:49 AM

Not compared to the HD5850. They are the same processor, the HD5850 just has 10% of its shaders disabled and a lower stock speed. If seen benchmarks of both with a maxed out OC(around 1ghz) and the actual performance difference is about 7-8% on average which just isn't worth an extra $100 imo.
As for the power difference with the GTX 470 it is overstated I think. Compared to the HD5870 it uses 10w more at idle and 30w more under load which isn't that big of a deal.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:33:08 AM

Where I live, we worked this out in another thread, it only costs 15 dollars more a year to run a 5850 than a GTX 470.

So by the time that factored in I would be replacing the cards.

AMW1011 said:
http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/nvidiageforcegtx480launch_032610115215/22208.png

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/nvidiageforcegtx480launch_032610115215/22204.png

Comparing a GTX 470 and a 5850.
-Idle delta: 10w
-Load delta: 89w

cents/kw-hr average: 20 (terrible electric prices in the US)

4 hours a day of gaming = 1460 hours a year
12 hours of idle = 4380

Gaming = $25.99 extra.
Idle = $8.76 extra.

Combined price extra at TERRIBLE rates? $34.75 a year.

http://www.handymath.com/cgi-bin/electric.cgi

]http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/9231/gaming.png

]http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/9987/gaming2.png


http://www.eia.doe.gov/electricity/epm/table5_6_b.html

Ok so I live in Indiana, at 8.95 (if I'm reading this chart right). So for me the difference between a 470 and 5850 would be roughly ~15.00 a year?

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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 9:24:11 AM

Keeping in mind that if the OC'ing screws up he could lose his warranty and lose alot more than $100 (-$15 for power)
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 9:44:26 AM

Helltech said:
Where I live, we worked this out in another thread, it only costs 15 dollars more a year to run a 5850 than a GTX 470.

So by the time that factored in I would be replacing the cards.



http://www.eia.doe.gov/electricity/epm/table5_6_b.html

Ok so I live in Indiana, at 8.95 (if I'm reading this chart right). So for me the difference between a 470 and 5850 would be roughly ~15.00 a year?

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u meant its cheaper to run a 5850 then a gtx470 right?
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August 24, 2010 2:00:54 PM

I prefer to not overclock my Video card myself, I am not a huge Overclocking fan as it I am working on getting my RAM to 1600 speeds cause my motherboard is only showing it at 1333 but I will deal with that when I have time.

Another small note, my board is shown to be SLI/Xfire compatible on many sites just not on the MSI one, I will be emailing them to find out cause that will play a factor if I do get two cards.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 3:59:18 PM

decode said:
Keeping in mind that if the OC'ing screws up he could lose his warranty and lose alot more than $100 (-$15 for power)

As I have stated the HD5870 and HD5850 are the same exact processor, as are the GTX 470 and GTX 480. The higher stock clocks of the HD5870 and GTX 480 amount to essentially a factory overclock. There is NOTHING whatsoever that is dangerous about putting the HD5850 up to HD5870 speeds or a GTX 470 up to GTX 480 speeds. If you think that then you think the HD5870 and GTX 480 have dangerously high speeds at stock. The processors in these cards(and CPUs) have certain abilities and tolerances. The only thing one accomplishes by not overclocking them, at least to a mild degree, is having a pointlessly slower video card. Where the stock clocks were set for these cards is nothing more than a marketing decision.
As for voiding a warranty some brands allow for overclocking and none of them could possibly know you did so unless you specifically go out of your way to tell them.
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