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HD 5830 or GTX 460

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August 24, 2010 1:08:22 AM

Specifically these two cards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The 5830 is on sale and $30 less than the 460. I play on a 22 in lcd at 1650x1080. Just not sure if I'll see any extra performance from the 460 at that resolution.

On a sidenote I'm planning to combo this gpu with a psu from OCZ this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

It's 600w, or I can pay $15 more for a 700w, but I can't see myself needing the extra 100w.

More about : 5830 gtx 460

a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 1:17:27 AM

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_...

http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/MSI/GeForce_GTX_460_...


Only you can tell you if that warrents the 30 dollars or not. (remember you're looking at the 1gb version)

You will be fine with a 600w PSU, make sure you get good OCZ Ram, I have had good OCZ Ram in the past, but it seems like all of the DDR3 gets bad reviews to me.
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August 24, 2010 1:23:01 AM

GTX460 FTW!
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 1:36:22 AM

Helltech just linked the best case benchmarks ms5555.

You should check out tomshardware review too.



Would you pay $30 more for a card that is 20% slower in Crysis? Neither would I.



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August 24, 2010 1:42:52 AM

Those charts are what I was looking for, thanks. Didn't realize that even at 1650x1080 I'd be around 20fps in some games at ultra settings with the 5830. Going from say 40 to 60 fps is not a big deal imo, it's hard to see the difference, but 22 to 30 fps is a noticeable difference.
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August 24, 2010 1:43:07 AM

@eyefin: You look all tied up, die hard ATi fan, so messing with you can cost me an arm and leg for sure :p .

(wondering where are all those Nvidia enthusiasts when one needs them :S! F F F !!!)
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August 24, 2010 1:46:46 AM

Ok now I'm confused, since half the charts say the 5830 is better, half say the 460.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 1:52:06 AM

ms5555 said:
Ok now I'm confused, since half the charts say the 5830 is better, half say the 460.


The 460 is very slightly faster overall, but the 5830 is faster in a lot of games - especially at higher settings. Don't trust liars like Helltech who only shows you the best case benchmarks for nVidia.

For $30 I'd want a bit more. Both cards will do you fine though and the choice is yours in the end.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 1:54:44 AM

Best case scenario for Nvidia? You showed three best case scenarios for ATI. Rofl, and I have a lot more sources. You have been deemed an idiot by just about everyone on these forums as an ATI fanboy. Check my posts, I suggest ATI for MANY people, I am no fanboy.

Any by the way the people are Overclock.net are NOT randoms, anyone who knows anything knows that a very good reference for cards.

http://s269.photobucket.com/albums/jj48/Helltech/?actio...

I'm not spamming these forums again like you did the other night, if you want to show more proof where the 5830 out performs the 460 go right ahead, I only did the same thing you did. There is no point in starting a flame war.
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August 24, 2010 1:54:54 AM

BWHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA pawnd pawnd pwnd LMFAO!
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August 24, 2010 1:57:41 AM

Helltech man you are a liar?. i never knew. rofl
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 1:59:00 AM



I never once said the 460 was "MUCH" better, I just showed that it performed slightly better. I also told him that that performance was something he HIMSELF had to decide on if it was worth the extra 30 dollars or not.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 2:07:53 AM

Stop calling people liars and back up your words with fact please, you showed a couple games where the 5830 performs betters, where I have shown at least 7, I can do this all night, if you wish.

Obviously the 5830 will perform better on some games, on AVERAGE the 460 will perform better, only he can decide if that performance difference is enough to warrent the purchase.

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...


EDIT - Btw, I love how showing someone benchmarks is lieing. XD thats hysterical.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 2:11:52 AM

The issue wasn't about the 460 being the faster card, I've said that multiple times already.

The issue was you cherry picking benchmarks (metro and unigene? ROFL) that made the OP think the 460 was a FAR better card, when the facts are, both are very close to each other. $30 is a lot of money to some people.

Any reason why, on tomshardware, you'd choose not to link the benchmarks from here? Yeah we already know why that is.
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August 24, 2010 2:12:24 AM

Eyeidiotiny: sucks to be in your shoes.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 2:13:16 AM

eyefinity said:
The issue wasn't about the 460 being the faster card, I've said that multiple times already.

The issue was you cherry picking benchmarks (metro and unigene? ROFL) that made the OP think the 460 was a FAR better card, when the facts are, both are very close to each other. $30 is a lot of money to some people.


Obviously you missed ALL of the benchmarks on my last post.

When did I tell the OP to buy the 460? I showed him benchmarks and told him to make his own decision.

And here are more...

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

I have no problem showing the OP posts where the 5830 performs betters, I'm just going through my history is all, its good that he sees when the 5830 will perform better, you seem to have those handy, you do the work..

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2010/te...

Look here eyefinity I'll throw you a bone...

http://www.computerbase.de/artikel/grafikkarten/2010/te...

I don't care what the OP picks, as long as he has enough knoweldge to make the decision that suites him best.
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August 24, 2010 2:15:10 AM

Guys no need for flames. Just wanted some info to review which you gave me, thanks.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 2:16:22 AM

You should be happy with what ever decision you make. =]
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 2:20:03 AM

The GTX460 is better than the 5830.

The 5830 is a stripped down 5870 (it has a very long PCB so make sure it can even fit in your case).

In Crysis, the GTX460 performs equal to the 5830 in other benchmarks I've seen. (and equal to 2x 5850s in Xfire if you Sli the GTX460s due to great scaling)
In Crysis Warhead, the GTX460 performs better than the 5830.

Overall, the GTX460 actually performs between a 5830 and 5850.


Here are some Crysis Warhead benchmarks.


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August 24, 2010 2:22:34 AM

I'm sure I will! Actually though I'm looking to buy my video card now, comboing it with the psu for later when I finish my build. I want to hold off a month or two to buy the whole pc, but thought that I might be able to use a new card now in my current setup. This is the mobo I have now with an athalon 64 x2 2.01 ghz and a 600w psu http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also have an ati x1900 xt 512mb currently.

Do you think both of these cards (the hd 5830 or the gtx 460) will work in my setup? Also my processor might be kind of a bottle neck at this point- is it even worth purchasing now? Prices can only go down I figure, but I'd gladly buy now if it's going to get me better fps in sc2 or wow.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 2:30:13 AM

ignore this.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 2:41:25 AM

Yeah I had a look at your current motherboard and the cards will work ok, they'll just be seriously bottlenecked by the cpu.

I guess there is no harm in buying a better card now, but do you know that ATI has their 6000 series cards coming out in october/november? If you are going to upgrade or buy a brand new pc, I'd wait till then. Even if you decide to go with the 460 or 5830 then, they'll both be cheaper after the 6000 series is out. Right now you aren't going to get the best out of a 460 or a 5830, your cpu is gonna bottleneck it.
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August 24, 2010 2:42:37 AM

Ah well looks like all this forum talk was wasted then if I should just hold out! Thanks for the tips, appreciate it greatly.
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August 24, 2010 3:14:51 AM

Check out the overclocking on both the 5830 and 460, the 5830 is awesome to overclock, for me atleast, I can run it at 975/1300 with temps never going above 68 and my ambient temp is 85F with stock fan on the video card, I have the saphire version, anyway the 5830 is a great card for 185$ on newegg. The 460 is a good card too.
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August 24, 2010 3:50:41 AM

Go get Gigabyte 460 1G OC. it is best card for you now. it is manufactured OC version. It is quiet and low power consume. it is faster than regular 4601G in any benchmark and you also can overlock it to 850Mhz without any problem. it also 3D ready if like try that. You can use it to sli when you feel you need buy another 460 someday when you upgraded your PC. ATI crossfire is some kind junk

If you buy AIT5830 you need worry 5830 compatible with your motherboard or not by its stupid PCIe2.1 interface, and you need worry that card work without bug with most game or not. and you need worry your mail in rebate come in or not. you need worry that card fit in your case or not. it not worth.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 4:59:13 AM

at your resolution go with the cheaper card if you do not intend to upgrade the monitor other wise get the 460
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August 24, 2010 6:02:49 AM

spentshells said:
at your resolution go with the cheaper card if you do not intend to upgrade the monitor other wise get the 460


it real isn't about money, it is about which card work better for most game. so many people have to buy 460 later even already own a ATI 5870.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 6:15:57 AM

yanje03 said:
it real isn't about money, it is about which card work better for most game. so many people have to buy 460 later even already own a ATI 5870.



well @ 14X9 he can buy a 5770 and fill the sceen with pixels so why spend more ? I guess if you are going to buy a bigger screen
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August 24, 2010 6:30:20 AM

spentshells said:
well @ 14X9 he can buy a 5770 and fill the sceen with pixels so why spend more ? I guess if you are going to buy a bigger screen

like I said it is not about money. it is about which one may give OP more trouble for some case.
460 is the way to go. In game industry ,nVidia just like Intel , ATI is AMD. AMD has no team to tune game 1 by 1 and upgrade their driver but nVidia. many players even owned 5870 and have to buy another 460 all because ATI card gave them too many trouble when playing game. Sometime AMD may launch some new toy (CPU or GPU) and benchmark is better than Intel or nVidia's for a while. keep in mind, it is only benchmark, it doesn't show how many bug player would get. Overall nVidia is better than ATI, just like Intel CPU is better than AMD from compatible point of view on software.
from long term investment, 460 is better than 5770/5830. lets say if someday OP want to upgrade his PC. he can buy another 460 for sli to match his new CPU.
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August 24, 2010 6:38:51 AM

^ DAMN right he is!
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 6:40:38 AM

Yes, the 460 is an easy install, and SLi's better than a 5830, However stand-alone the 5830 is better and its not as hard to install the drivers as people make out.
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August 24, 2010 6:47:20 AM

^ look at the results up there...
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:04:51 AM

In select games the 460 is better, Yes. but overall the 5830 wins in a single configuration.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:09:36 AM

I don't want to start a flame war again, but I would love to see these bench tests for this "overall" you speak of, Ive posted over 14 games that says overwise, and have only seen a handful where the 5830 performs better (even posted the one I found myself). I'm not biased, I acutally WOULD like to see these tests.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:14:57 AM

Not sure that link you sent worked, but I've seen Tom's charts and there are only a few instances where a stock 5830 will beat a 460 stock. BOTH cards overclock like killers, to compare an oc 5830 to a stock 460 is unfair (and viceaversa).

Ok in that link you sent me finally loaded, it just shows the stock 460 1GB > Stock 460 763mb > Stock 5830. I don't get what your seeing here.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:15:32 AM

Sum of all FPS benchmark, The most recent.

The XFX is stock, an XFX stock, obviously they did something from ATi's reference card, But it's still considered stock.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:18:36 AM

Like I said, before I don't see where the 5830 is beating the 460 here...
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:21:12 AM

It shows them in this order...

Gainward GTX460 GLH (GTX 460 1024 MB) - 2409.40
ATI Radeon HD 5850 (1024 MB) - 2394.20
ATI Radeon HD 5850 (2048 MB) - 2369.30
Nvidia Geforce GTX 460 (1024 MB) - 2082.70
MSI N460GTX Cyclone 768D5 OC (GTX 460 768 MB) - 2061.50
HIS H583FNT1GD (HD 5830 1024 MB) - 2056.60
XFX HD-583X-ZN (HD 5830 1024 MB) - 1963.63
Nvidia Geforce GTX 460 (768 MB) - 1957.70
ATI Radeon HD 5830 (1024 MB) - 1936
MSI R5830 Twin Frozr II (HD 5830 1024 MB) - 1930.50


I don't think I missed any 5830's or 460's in there, and threw in a couple 5850's for giggles. But thats the order the link you sent me had them...
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:22:45 AM

True, A standard 460 1GB easily beats a 5830, but not a 768MB.
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a c 153 U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:25:55 AM

decode said:
True, A standard 460 1GB easily beats a 5830, but not a 768MB.


We arn't talking about a 768mb version though....

Also the stock 768 460 DOES beat a stock 5830 according to the chart you sent.

Nvidia Geforce GTX 460 (768 MB) - 1957.70
ATI Radeon HD 5830 (1024 MB) - 1936

If you're going to throw factory overclocks in the mix, then Cylcone 768mb beats all the 5830s.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 7:44:35 AM

Pointless to argue these two cards. It's clear that the GTX 460 is slightly better than the HD5830 and is reasonably priced higher. However, the slight difference is hardly noticeable. Depending on your enthusiast level, if you really think that small FPS difference the GTX 460 delivers is what you really want, then go for the GTX 460. Real-word difference is hardly noticeable but the difference is there.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 9:12:53 AM

The XFX isn't overclocked, at-least according to the specifications I've seen; it seems funny how the MSi HAWK actually under performs the normal 5830

But, if were talking about the 460 1GB it IS better than the 5830. The 460 768MB is very debatable though.
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August 24, 2010 4:11:46 PM

^ owned owned owned. even by 768mB, owned owned owned.

HellTech your amazing persistence.. i like i like :p 
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 5:28:13 PM

yanje03 said:
like I said it is not about money. it is about which one may give OP more trouble for some case.
460 is the way to go. In game industry ,nVidia just like Intel , ATI is AMD. AMD has no team to tune game 1 by 1 and upgrade their driver but nVidia. many players even owned 5870 and have to buy another 460 all because ATI card gave them too many trouble when playing game. Sometime AMD may launch some new toy (CPU or GPU) and benchmark is better than Intel or nVidia's for a while. keep in mind, it is only benchmark, it doesn't show how many bug player would get. Overall nVidia is better than ATI, just like Intel CPU is better than AMD from compatible point of view on software.
from long term investment, 460 is better than 5770/5830. lets say if someday OP want to upgrade his PC. he can buy another 460 for sli to match his new CPU.


If people have issues using ATI cards as you say a working 5870 and change to a 460 and had a better experience the issue certainly
wasn't with ATI likely 10.2 drivers

I've had both brands multiple times since 2002 ti4200 vs 9600 lastly 8800gt to 5770

but like I said @ 14x9 do not waste money there are no problems with the ATI line up and if it's cheaper buy that.

you speak of SLI but @ 14x9 that would be a terrible waste of money.

5770 would be appropriate but for 30 dollars less then the 460 go with the 5830 unless moving to a bigger resolution
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August 24, 2010 5:35:27 PM

Just for the record, I'm playing 1650x1080, so a 5770 is a little light I think, and I was inquiring about the 1gb 460, not the 768mb one.

But since we're on the subject, that cyclone card seems to perform very well. Is it worth getting over a stock 1gb 460? It seems to cost about the same though, so I'd probably go with a stock one and find one on sale.
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a b U Graphics card
August 24, 2010 5:49:28 PM

ms5555 said:
Just for the record, I'm playing 1650x1080, so a 5770 is a little light I think, and I was inquiring about the 1gb 460, not the 768mb one.

But since we're on the subject, that cyclone card seems to perform very well. Is it worth getting over a stock 1gb 460? It seems to cost about the same though, so I'd probably go with a stock one and find one on sale.


If you are going to play at 1680x 1050 then forget about the 5830. Right now if you want to get the most bang for your money you should be looking at either the Cyclone or DirectCU 1Gb, don't settle for anything less. The 460 does better in tess and the min. frame loss is higher vs. the 5830 which is one of the most important factors when choosing a video card, don't bother looking at what card achieves the highest framerate as both the 5830 and 460 trade punches depending on the game.
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August 24, 2010 9:27:45 PM

bottle line, XFX 5830 doesn't work in many motherboard. even it beat 480, I wont buy it. :p 
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