Help with CPU recognition

[makaveli2007]

hi guys

i have AMD Phenom II X4 955

the problem is i dont know if its black edition or not , because its not mentioned

as far as i know all 955 is Black edition

but it can be refuted because when i googled about 955 black edition i found pic's of cpu-z uploaded

and they domention the process is black edition ... (mine cpu-z pic only says its II x4 955)

and when i check other's on google i found threads and pages about 955 black edition but in the cpu-z pics they are like mine without black edition mention

and to get it even much weird then its now when i do compare mine cpu-z pic with the "black edition"i found on google , i see that mine is uper revrsion and bigger cache and much better (i think)

alot of reviw and forum threads which opend says they are black edition and in their pics of cpu-z itsnt mentiond.....


its realy annoyig i cant detrmaine for sure if i have black edition or not




here is pics of mine CPU:

http://img824.imageshack.us/i/cp5p.jpg/

http://img510.imageshack.us/f/cput.jpg/

http://img253.imageshack.us/i/cpu2c.jpg/

http://img156.imageshack.us/i/cpu3dp.jpg/

http://img600.imageshack.us/f/cpu4.jpg/


black edition pic's which i found on google:

http://xtreview.com/images/phenom%20II%20X4%20955%20Black%20edition%206.5%20ghz01.png

http://hothardware.com/articleimages/Item1307/small_cpuid-1.jpg

http://xtreview.com/images/Phenom%20II%20X4%20955%20Black%20edition%20oc%20to%207%20ghz.png

http://hothardware.com/printarticle.aspx?articleid=1307


here is one page saying its black edition: (itsthe same process as i have)

http://xtreview.com/addcomment-id-11067-view-Phenom-II-X4-955-Black-edition-stepping-C3-extreme-overclock.html

what do you think?

 

[simon12]

I am not 100% sure but I think all 955s are always BE all have the same cache and the only difference between any of them is the C2 is 140W and the newer C3 is 125W. Try to increase the CPU multiplier in your bios if you can its BE.

 

[makaveli2007]

I am not 100% sure but I think all 955s are always BE all have the same cache and the only difference between any of them is the C2 is 140W and the newer C3 is 125W. Try to increase the CPU multiplier in your bios if you can its BE.

i dont realy know about cpu spec etc..

but as i had to research to detrmaine if i have BE or not , i can tell that not all of them have the same cache .. anyway as i said before i see mine process looks much advanced than these BE and more cache

and spec.... what does increasing the multiplier? and does it require strong PSU ? i mean does it requir voltage or something?

about the C2 and C3 is the less W is better?

 

[saint19]

Hi.

All X4 955, X4 965, X4 975 and X6 1090T are BE, so, have unlock multiplier. In your case, you have a Phenom II X 4 955 C3 revision.

What PSU do you have? A strongly PSU isn't necessary, but between much better be your PSU (Seasonic, Corsair, Antec), is better for avoid problems.

What does increasing the multiplier? Basically, the CPU frequency is determinate using a simple formula: CPU Speed = Reference clock X Multiplier, so, in your case: CPU Speed = 200 (the same for all AMD CPUs) X 16 (your CPU multiplier) = 3200MHz, that's the stock speed of your CPU. When you rise the multiplier the CPU speed rise immediately. 200 X 20 = 4000MHZ, in some cases you will need more CPU voltage to get the rig stable. That's called overclock. Check the two pictures below, both CPUs are BE, but CPU-Z doesn't show that.

Phenom II X4 955 C2 (similar to yours)



Phenom II X6 1090T



Regarding the revision, the C3 (yours) use less power, produces less heat but is much better for overclock that C2 revision.

 

[makaveli2007]

Hi.

All X4 955, X4 965, X4 975 and X6 1090T are BE, so, have unlock multiplier. In your case, you have a Phenom II X 4 955 C3 revision.

What PSU do you have? A strongly PSU isn't necessary, but between much better be your PSU (Seasonic, Corsair, Antec), is better for avoid problems.

What does increasing the multiplier? Basically, the CPU frequency is determinate using a simple formula: CPU Speed = Reference clock X Multiplier, so, in your case: CPU Speed = 200 (the same for all AMD CPUs) X 16 (your CPU multiplier) = 3200MHz, that's the stock speed of your CPU. When you rise the multiplier the CPU speed rise immediately. 200 X 20 = 4000MHZ, in some cases you will need more CPU voltage to get the rig stable. That's called overclock.

Regarding the revision, the C3 (yours) use less power, produces less heat but is much better for overclock that C2 revision.

thanks for your answers man..

i want to do that but i dont think my PSU is enough infact i dont think its even enough for my current configration

its so unknown , low end PSU i had to open the case and make sketch:

http://i52.tinypic.com/2zeeaf4.jpg

*about the CPU speed you said , is the same as bus speed? cause if so i saw few pic's of it being rised

 

[saint19]

thanks for your answers man..

i want to do that but i dont think my PSU is enough infact i dont think its even enough for my current configration

its so unknown , low end PSU i had to open the case and make sketch:

http://i52.tinypic.com/2zeeaf4.jpg

*about the CPU speed you said , is the same as bus speed? cause if so i saw few pic's of it being rised

What are the specs of your rig?, and you are right, the PSU isn't very good. I suggest you try to buy a new PSU from Seasonic, Corsair, Ante, XFX, PC Power and Cooling...those are good and comes with good prices.

Regarding the CPU speed, not it's not the same as Bus speed. The bus speed is the same reference clock (200MHz).

When you overclock a CPU you can use the multiplier (if you have a BE processor or unlock multiplier CPU), the bus speed (reference clock) or both multiplier and bus speed. Why use only the multiplier with a BE CPU or unlock multiplier CPU? Because when you rise the multiplier you only affect the CPU speed, while when you rise the bus speed you also change the NB, HT and RAM speed.

 

[makaveli2007]

so its ok to try it now , rising the multiplier? with this PSU?

or you need more info about my system?

 

[saint19]

Yeah, list all your specs. What cooler do you have?

 

[makaveli2007]

MOBO Gigabyte GA-MA785GT-UD3H

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 (think its black edition)

RAM: 2GB 1333Mhz DDR3 Kingston (one stick)

Video: Onboard Ati Radeon HD 4200 (consuming system RAM ~500MB)

Sound:Onbaord Realkteck HD + Creative Sound card (both enabled)

(rest of prehiples on the board like : LAN , USB )

2 HD's : OS's HD : IDE drive ,... Stoarge: SATA drive

2 DVD Drives: IDE DVD ,... SATA DVD

MOBO:

http://img507.imageshack.us/i/mb3hv.jpg/

http://img593.imageshack.us/i/27175873.jpg/

http://img402.imageshack.us/i/mb2vi.jpg/

CPU:

http://img824.imageshack.us/i/cp5p.jpg/

http://img510.imageshack.us/i/cput.jpg/

http://img253.imageshack.us/i/cpu2c.jpg/

http://img156.imageshack.us/i/cpu3dp.jpg/

http://img600.imageshack.us/i/cpu4.jpg/

RAM:

http://img29.imageshack.us/i/ram2u.jpg/

http://img440.imageshack.us/i/ramrr.jpg/

IGP:

http://img267.imageshack.us/i/gpub.jpg/

http://img33.imageshack.us/img33/1527/gpu3v.jpg

Temp:

http://img267.imageshack.us/i/tempratureh.jpg/

about the cooler a i think its the one that come with the CPU (if not one regular)

do you need any info? i have speedfan gpu-z and more info tools so i can upload pics

 

[saint19]

Definitely you have the stock cooler. I don't recommended try to rise the multiplier with your current temps. If you want do it, 1st you need a after-market cooler like the CM Hyper 212+.

 

[makaveli2007]

ok so can i overclock\tweak something untill i change the cooler and the PSU?

also do you see other problems with the spec of the system?

 

[saint19]

None, like I say your temps are a little high for try to overclock something. Your rig looks fine for me, just try to go with the Cooler and PSU.

 

[makaveli2007]

ok man , in the pic you brought there is "rated FSB" instead "HT link"

what both mean?
can i change it?

 

[saint19]

1- Rated FSB = Reference clock = Bus speed, you know the answer to change this.
2- HT link =

is a technology for interconnection of computer processors. It is a bidirectional serial/parallel high-bandwidth, low-latency point-to-point link that was introduced on April 2, 2001.

See full info here, and you can change it, this affect the performance negatively and if you rise the HT speed, you also need rise the NB speed because the HT speed can't be higher that NB speed, and finally you also will need change the voltage of both, HT and NB.

 

[makaveli2007]

dont understand you

how rated fsb which is about 2000+- equal to bus speed which is 200+-

HT link itself or changing the HT link would be negativ? or rising?

and wht better ht or rated fsb?

 

[saint19]

dont understand you

how rated fsb which is about 2000+- equal to bus speed which is 200+-

HT link itself or changing the HT link would be negativ? or rising?

and wht better ht or rated fsb?

Crap, nevermind. Sorry, the correct is this:

Reference clock = Bus speed = 200MHz stock
Rated FSB = HT = 2000MHz stock

Rising the HT decrease the performance of your rig.

 

[saint19]

All that info has been posted above, and CPU-Z don't show BE in the CPU information.

 

[makaveli2007]

What ram do you have? What's their latency

hi man as saint said i posted all th info above ....

the ram is 2GB onestick Kingston 1333


about the multiplier i did checked it in the bios and its unlocked

i tried rising abit some option and it went well , i booted into windows checked and everything was

fine but i dont know if my PSU is able to handle it..

infact my CPU can go 8000ghz i tried playing with options without saving


what requires to rise the multiplier? does it requeris more PSU power??/

 

[makaveli2007]

Crap, nevermind. Sorry, the correct is this:

Reference clock = Bus speed = 200MHz stock
Rated FSB = HT = 2000MHz stock

Rising the HT decrease the performance of your rig.

i rised it from 2000+- to 2600 , as you said the northbridge gave warring that it cant be less than the ht link so i rised both (right now) and i dont feel and decrease..

 

[saint19]

Not in commune use.