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Anybody used AM3 CPU on AM2 board successfully ?

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I'm trying to gather the people's experience who do it before.
So please note here everything about your operations!! (I know you may did somethings such as flashing bios or cmos and disabling cool&quiet to able to overclock or even reach to the CPU's true speed) and your result .
This will be very useful for me and others who wanna buy a AM3 CPU and spend a few time until they can upgrade whole PC.
(Do NOT say anything about this can't be!! because it is done before by many people)






ATHLON X2 4800+ ASUS M2N-E 2*1GB KINGSTON HyperX 800MHZ HD4850

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Yes you can us AM3 Phenoms on your board with a bios update.
The ASUS website has the cpu support list and bios update instructions you will need.
http://support.asus.com/cpusupport [...] ct=1&os=24

I am running a PII 555 unlocked to a quad @3.6ghz on an AM2+ board with DDR2.

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many of the AM3 cpus might require 130 watts, which might be more than many AM2 boards can handle....

Get the right board, check MB manufacturer's website for supported/approved cpus...

The cpu fitting into the socket is not all that's involved....; also the issues of DDR2/3 and integrated memory controllers if memory serves....

You can run an AM2 in AM3, but not vice versa....

If you strongly disagree, it is your money....

Reply to mdd1963

^Click on the link above then say you can't run an AM3 cpu in an AM2 board, I have been for a long time.

The AM3 PII's have an onboard DDR2 and DDR3 memory controller so its happy with either.

I strongly disagree with just about everything you have posted, you cannot run an AM2 cpu in an AM3 board either. :pt1cable:

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Reply to beanoslim

a few articles do suggest some AM2+ boards will support AM3 cpus..

I stand corrected.

Reply to mdd1963

Or some AM2 boards and just about all AM2+ boards even.

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Reply to beanoslim

mdd1963 wrote :

many of the AM3 cpus might require 130 watts, which might be more than many AM2 boards can handle....


125W.

mdd1963 wrote :

Get the right board, check MB manufacturer's website for supported/approved cpus...



He has a board. And he mentioned what it is. Then someone linked him to the site you mention. And it supports all AM3 CPUs up to 125W.

mdd1963 wrote :

You can run an AM2 in AM3, but not vice versa....


Not this. But vice versa. Perhaps you are confusing it with the upcoming AM3+ where you can use AM3 in am3+ but not vice versa?

mdd1963 wrote :

also the issues of DDR2/3 and integrated memory controllers if memory serves....


Issues? What do you mean "issues"?

Reply to enzo matrix

right on enzo, I'm lurking...

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Reply to malmental

mdd1963 wrote :

many of the AM3 cpus might require 130 watts, which might be more than many AM2 boards can handle....

 

Get the right board, check MB manufacturer's website for supported/approved cpus...

 

The cpu fitting into the socket is not all that's involved....; also the issues of DDR2/3 and integrated memory controllers if memory serves....

 

You can run an AM2 in AM3, but not vice versa....

 

If you strongly disagree, it is your money....


AMD uses something called an IMC (Integrated Memory Controller).
It helps the AMD chips perform very well in memory related tasks (because now the ram isn't controlled by the motherboard through the FSB)
but it also has a few quirks.
The IMC doesn't seem to like a lot of stress, and so in general, you wont get as much of an OC out of your ram if you have all of your ram slots populated.
So it should be easier to get more performance out of only two sticks of ram.

 

*Intels Nahelem architecture utilizes this same design, leaving the Core 2 series as the only mainstream processor to still use the FSB design.

 

Also, the same thing goes for mismatched ram, the IMC just doesn't like it.
So if you have ram that is not from the same kit, and are experiencing instability, try taking out the non-matching set, and see if that helps out
if ever a problem.


Message edited by malmental on 01-06-2011 at 04:17:43 PM
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Thanks All
But I am looking for those who tried this before and i want their problems and everything they done.

Reply to grishnukh

grishnukh wrote :

Thanks All
But I am looking for those who tried this before and i want their problems and everything they done.


you don't get it man.
AM3 chips will not run on AM2 board, now there are cases of BIOS updates that make changes to allow AM3 chips
but I am yet to have verified that for myself; I'll give you that.
AM2+ boards can run AM3 chips with DDR2 RAM, 1066MHz to be exact.
some AM2 boards can run first generation Phenom chips (Phenom x3 and x4) and they do not necessarily have to be AM2+ boards.
the resaon for that is the amount of VRAM that the particular motherboard has, 8mb of VRAM is the minimal amount for the first class Phenom chips
and stronger AM2 boards have this amount while weaker AM2 boards only have 4mb of VRAM and that's a hindrance.

 

the athlon x2 KUMA class is the first class to have the 64 dropped from it's name and has slightly different architecture that the Brisbane and Windsor
athlon 64x2 but BIOS will allow those to run on AM2 boards.
do not get the athlon x2 KUMA confused with the athlon ii x2 REGOR class.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_AM3
Compatibility

 

Socket AM3 breaks compatibility with AM2/AM2+ processors due to a subtle change in key placement. The AM3 socket has 941 pin contacts[1] while current AM3 processors have only 938 pins. Tom's Hardware removed the two obstructing key pins from an AM2+ Phenom processor in order to fit it into an AM3 socket. The processor did not work in the AM3 socket, but still worked in an AM2+ socket, suggesting that compatibility issues run deeper than merely the key pins.[3] It is likely due to the fact that the built-in memory controller in AM2/AM2+ processors only supports DDR2 (unlike AM3 processors, which supports both DDR2 & DDR3 memory).[4]

 

As AM3 processors also support DDR2, they are backwards-compatible with Socket AM2/AM2+, contingent upon a BIOS update for the motherboard. Manufacturers including Asus,[5] Gigabyte,[6] and others have labeled existing AM2/AM2+ boards as being "AM3 Ready" or similar, indicating that BIOS support is provided for the specified boards. This allows existing AM2/AM2+ systems to upgrade the CPU without having to upgrade any other components.

 

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Message edited by malmental on 01-06-2011 at 08:36:14 PM
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Reply to malmental

mdd1963 wrote :

a few articles do suggest some AM2+ boards will support AM3 cpus..

I stand corrected.



NO!!
because in the same am2 socket ,there are phenom 9850 and 9950 with 125w power.it is the same power of even phenom2 X6 1100t !!!
However I found out something new from my board's page on the ASUS website:
Now I can use ddr2 1066!! IS this some kind of miracle? anyway what will happen if I use my 2*800mhz on slot 1&3 and 2*1066 on slot 2&4? Will IMC (Integrated Memory Controller) like it or not!!? Increase performance or decrease ?

Reply to grishnukh

malmental wrote :

you don't get it man.
AM3 chips will not run on AM2 board, now there are cases of BIOS updates that make changes to allow AM3 chips
but I am yet to have verified that for myself.
AM2+ boards can run AM3 chips with DDR2 RAM, 1066MHz to be exact.
some AM2 boards can run first generation Phenom chips (Phenom x3 and x4) and they do not necessarily have to be AM2+ boards.
the resaon for that is the amount of VRAM that the particular motherboard has, 8mb of VRAM is the minimal amount for the first class Phenom chips
and stronger AM2 boards have this amount while weaker AM2 boards only have 4mb of VRAM and that's a hindrance.



I'm So sorry for you MAN. because of these links!!
You better have look around this forum!!
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.asp [...] uage=en-us

And better check the cpu list from the MY board's page as i linked down!

http://ae.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ [...] templete=2

Reply to grishnukh

enzo matrix wrote :

125W.



He has a board. And he mentioned what it is. Then someone linked him to the site you mention. And it supports all AM3 CPUs up to 125W.


Not this. But vice versa. Perhaps you are confusing it with the upcoming AM3+ where you can use AM3 in am3+ but not vice versa?


Issues? What do you mean "issues"?



I LOVE YOU Enzo!! and thanks for supporting me!!

Reply to grishnukh

grishnukh wrote :

I'm So sorry for you MAN. because of these links!!
You better have look around this forum!!
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.asp [...] uage=en-us

 

And better check the cpu list from the MY board's page as i linked down!

 

http://ae.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ [...] templete=2


THAT'S AN AM2+ BOARD..!

 

so basically it can work but you have been saying AM2 this entire time.
Not AM2+..
(facepalm to you sir)

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Message edited by malmental on 01-06-2011 at 08:42:36 PM
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Reply to malmental

and since we have discovered that YOU do not know what you are talking about.
after you upgrade your processor in your AM2+ board then upgrade your crappy RAM situation..


Message edited by malmental on 01-06-2011 at 08:45:04 PM
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Reply to malmental

malmental wrote :

THAT'S AN AM2+ BOARD..!

so basically it can work but you have been saying AM2 this entire time.
Not AM2+..
(facepalm to you sir)


This was a AM2 board !!. I can picture my board's box if you don't believe me!!
This is the point . every am2 borad is an am2+ board now!! On that time there wasn't am2+ and now companies see that is no problem maker difference between am2 and am2+ !!
NOW it's calling " [ am2/am2+ ]"

every am2 cpu can work on am2+ and every am2+ cpu can work on am2 socket.
but it's not about am3 I know. but they made some bios upgrade that helps to work an am3 Cpu on am2/am2+ board.
but obviously an am2/am2+ CPU can't work on an am3 board because this cpu doesn't support ddr3 ram and the only memories that are supported by am3 borads is ddr3!

Reply to grishnukh

Dadiggle wrote :

Am2 pinouts 140
Am3 pinouts 138

How can a AM2 CPU work in a Am3 board?



He's not saying that he's saying an AM3 will work in his AM2 board.

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Reply to beanoslim

grishnukh -
so this is not about the socket itself but about the motherboard compatibility...?
and your also saying that every AM2 board not AM2+ board can also run AM3 chips like AM2+ boards with a BIOS update.?

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Reply to malmental

even my boad's box says I can only use 800 mhz and I used to watch that note in Asus website.and now!! what happend? Today I am able to use 1066 rams. oh god thanks a lot. you just saved my a**. they were not taking about it untill ddr2 rams is almost out dated! and this is their trick !!

Reply to grishnukh

AM3 chip on AM2+ board has to run at DDR2 1066MHZ...
is that the confusion.?

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Reply to malmental

I though I covered it pretty well in the 1st post of this thread....aaaaaaaaaaah well. [:aford10:1]

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Reply to beanoslim

I'm just saying maybe there will be a basic difference between am2/am2+ socket and board with am3 but this i not between am2 and am2+. they will do almost the same job.
this the asus's note:
Supports AMD Socket AM2+/AM2 for Phenom FX/Phenom/ Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64 / Sempron
The motherboard supports AMD socket AM2+/AM2 for Phenom FX/Phenom/Athlon 64/ Sempron/Athlon 64 X2/ Athlon 64 FX/ processors with 2MB / 1MB / 512KB L2 cache, which is based on 64-bit architecture.It features 2000 MT/s HyperTransport1.0 Bus, dual-channel un-buffered DDR2 1066 (AM2+) and DDR2 800 (AM2) memories support and AMD Cool ´n´ Quiet! Technology.

Intresting thing is on the CPU support list that they added almost all amd CPUs on that list!!
Maybe tomorrow they will say this board support hyper tranport2!!

Reply to grishnukh

beanoslim wrote :

Yes you can us AM3 Phenoms on your board with a bios update.
The ASUS website has the cpu support list and bios update instructions you will need.
http://support.asus.com/cpusupport [...] ct=1&os=24

 

I am running a PII 555 unlocked to a quad @3.6ghz on an AM2+ board with DDR2.

 

So what is your HT link Speed? and what happened to these new! core's L2 cash? are they unlocked too?


Message edited by grishnukh on 01-06-2011 at 09:19:14 PM
Reply to grishnukh

it's more than just the socket itself as proven the motherboard is the determining factor..

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Reply to malmental

You asked about running an AM3 cpu on your board I said you could.

You asked about other peoples experience of doing so I told you about my setup.

Then the *** just went crazy, I don't understand what the issue is now, every time I search for your board it comes up as an AM2 board, the bios update says it supports PII's, why can't you run the memory at 800mhz and tighten the timings up, I run mine at 800mhz with tighter timing options and get better benches than running it 1066mhz.

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Reply to beanoslim

beanoslim - he was confused (i think) about 1066MHz and it only being DDR3;
he didn't realize that it is also a DDR2 1066MHz.
it happens...
then the mind starting thinking in over-drive before the actual facts were checked and reality hit...
aaahhhhh, to be young and full of life again... :bounce:


Message edited by malmental on 01-06-2011 at 09:22:31 PM
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Reply to malmental

I know!!
1066 was not on the page!! this added recently . and am2/am2+ too.
there is no fearing of confusing! I can eat one of those pills on your hand. but wich?


Message edited by grishnukh on 01-06-2011 at 09:30:25 PM
Reply to grishnukh

UUUUUUUUUUGH WATCHA GONNA DO??
http://i.fanpix.net/images/orig/5/2/52yccmmjzxdlzjdc.jpg

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Reply to beanoslim

Just Joking.
Anyway all of these notes are usefull. But you still don't get it. maybe one of you done it (use am3 cpu on am2/am2+ socket) easily and didn't have any problems. but I know there will be unbelievable problems like this:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.asp [...] 1&count=38
as you can see he was not able to do this with my board. but in that forum there are some people that they can were able and some had strange problems. so I'm still waiting to those people's experience that have some mistakes or bad luck and I'm wondering how they did solve it and waht happend.

Reply to grishnukh

;)

 

this is how I roll:
AMD Phenom II X4 940 Black Edition (3.0GHz / 3.4GHZ clock'd) Deneb
ASUS M3N78-EM AM2+/AM2 NVIDIA GeForce 8300 HDMI mATX
Scythe SCSK-1100 100mm Shuriken Rev. B 3 Heat Pipes CPU Cooler - AS5 thermal compound
4GB kit (2x2GB) OCZ Gold DDR2 1066MHz memory module 5-6-6@2.10V

MSI N450GTS CYCLONE 1GD5/OC GeForce GTS 450 (Fermi) 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
OCZ Technology 60 GB Vertex 2 Series SATA II
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB
SAMSUNG BLU-RAY COMBO 8X BLACK BD ROM/DVD WRITER
COOLER MASTER Elite 430 RC-430-KWN1 - 2 x 120mm fan / 5.25in twin fan case cooler
Corsair Builder Series CX500 500-Watt Power Supply

 

AM2+ still rocks but I am currently acquiring/gathering for an Intel i5 build..


Message edited by malmental on 01-06-2011 at 10:26:37 PM
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grishnukh wrote :

Just Joking.
Anyway all of these notes are usefull. But you still don't get it. maybe one of you done it (use am3 cpu on am2/am2+ socket) easily and didn't have any problems. but I know there will be unbelievable problems like this:
http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.asp [...] 1&count=38
as you can see he was not able to do this with my board. but in that forum there are some people that they can were able and some had strange problems. so I'm still waiting to those people's experience that have some mistakes or bad luck and I'm wondering how they did solve it and waht happend.



Why don't you try it yourself, your problems may be different to others anyway, then maybe you could help others.
The Asus site has details of how to get the cpu to work, follow them and stop worrying about what might happen.
http://campus.albion.edu/tja10/files/2010/11/snickers_01.jpg

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It is totally possible to run an AM3 CPU in an AM2 (NOT AM2+) board.....

I am currently running:
Phenom II x4 945 in a Gigabyte GA-M57SLI-S4 with DDR2 RAM @ 800 MHz...

You just need to check your motherboard's compatability list.....

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my newest work horse.......... Gigabyte MA785GM-US2H-- AMD 1090T-- 4 1gig DDR2 800, Corsair XMS.......... so does that answer your original question ?

Reply to swifty_morgan

^
swifty_morgan
I knew that was possible..
with 4x1GB is your RAM running in dual channel.?

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Reply to malmental

teflon2287 wrote :

It is totally possible to run an AM3 CPU in an AM2 (NOT AM2+) board.....

 

I am currently running:
Phenom II x4 945 in a Gigabyte GA-M57SLI-S4 with DDR2 RAM @ 800 MHz...

 

You just need to check your motherboard's compatability list.....


prove it:
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Giga [...] .0%29.html
AMD Phenom II X6
HDT35TWFK6DGR 1035T 2600 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 95 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported
1045T 2700 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 95 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported
HDT55TFBGRBOX

 

HDT55TFBK6DGR 1055T 2800 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 125 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported
HDT55TWFGRBOX

 

HDT55TWFK6DGR 1055T 2800 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 95 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported
1075T 3000 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 125 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported
HDT90ZFBGRBOX

 

HDT90ZFBK6DGR 1090T 3200 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 125 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported

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Message edited by malmental on 01-07-2011 at 12:16:10 AM
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malmental wrote :

^
swifty_morgan
I knew that was possible..
with 4x1GB is your RAM running in dual channel.?



yes.

Reply to swifty_morgan

malmental wrote :

prove it:
http://www.cpu-upgrade.com/mb-Giga [...] .0%29.html
AMD Phenom II X6
HDT35TWFK6DGR 1035T 2600 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 95 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported
1045T 2700 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 95 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported
HDT55TFBGRBOX

HDT55TFBK6DGR 1055T 2800 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 125 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported
HDT55TWFGRBOX

HDT55TWFK6DGR 1055T 2800 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 95 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported
1075T 3000 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 125 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported
HDT90ZFBGRBOX

HDT90ZFBK6DGR 1090T 3200 MHz, 512 KB, L3 6MB, Thuban, 0.045 micron, Stepping E0, 125 Watt, 4000 MHz HT 1.0 Not supported




Prove it? Your own link proves it..... But anyway...

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1578920

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Message edited by teflon2287 on 01-07-2011 at 12:45:11 AM
Reply to teflon2287

Man, this looks like a complicated thread... :p

I'm running an Athlon II X2 250 on a Foxconn A79A-S, wich is AM2+ and has the 790FX Chipset with 2x2GB DDR2 800 in dual-channel and had no problems at all. I installed W7 a dew months ago for the last time and it is running 24/7 without a single crash. When i first put the system together i OC'ed a little just for fun and still had no problems at all, except those of testing the machine with the mems at 950MHZ, wich of course crashed after a few seconds :p

Conclusion, although i own a Foxconn mobo i do trust very much Asus' BIOS as i had the chance to test out a few dozens of their boards and they are a very respectable company. I went to your mobo's official page and saw that they list every phenom ii as compatible. If all the components are well i see no problem for you in the road. Don't forget that a slightly bad memory chip can lead to an unstable system and that most of the times that a system crashes it has nothing to do with the CPU.

Reply to matroska

Woah. This thread has me lost now lol.

Grishnukh, would you mind posting a list of any outstanding problems or questions you still have?

Reply to enzo matrix

teflon2287 wrote :

Prove it? Your own link proves it..... But anyway...

http://valid.canardpc.com/show_oc.php?id=1578920


good work...
I'll give credit when credit is do..

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Reply to malmental

enzo matrix wrote :

Woah. This thread has me lost now lol.

Grishnukh, would you mind posting a list of any outstanding problems or questions you still have?


the thought that his board was AM2 and it's AM2+ becuase he saw 1066MHz RAM and was thinking DDR3
unaware of DDR2 1066MHz.
so then the debate started about AM2 boards not AM2+ boards running AM3 chips.
bottom line from the way it now seems that any AM2 with enough VRAM is capable with a BIOS update
to run AM3 chips..
(malmental still skeptical however)

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Don't tell me... :heink: ...You weren't looking again. :na:

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who.?
I can blame it on the ganja this time if talking to me...;)
cuz' I'm toking as I type..

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Reply to malmental

That could explain why this thread got so tripped out when you appeared then.
I just don't know what happened, The Hulkster and Mr.T are totally brain shag**d dealing with you sucka's.

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poltergeist - come to the light

 

I appeared to shed some light and 'smoked out' clarity...... :whistle:
have to admit tho, it got interesting and informative when mal comes thru..!


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http://images.quebles.com/hotmail/emoticons/1511765.GIF Yeah man...radical.

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