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August 26, 2010 4:51:04 PM

Okay so about a week ago i was told i did a great job in putting together this system for my first time and it was about as good as i was going to get for what i wanted with my budget, which is £750 can be pushed to £770 if need be... The system is going to be used for FFXIV primarily and then onto Crysis 2, DiRT3 etc... I am using a 1680 x 1050 monitor and would like mid level graphics to run smoothly... I dont want absolute max everything just so long as it looks nice and runs smooth. This is what i have had planned for a while now...

Case
PCS MAELSTROM T900 BLACK GAMING CASE (£59)
Processor (CPU)
AMD PHENOM II X4 965 (3.40GHz/8MB CACHE/AM3) - BLACK EDITION
Motherboard
ASUS® M4A79XTD EVO: DUAL DDR3, S-ATA II, 2 x PCIe x16, 2 x PCIe x1, 2 x PCI
Memory (RAM)
4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB ATI RADEON™ HD 5770 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply & Case Cooling
CORSAIR 650W PSU (TX650) 80+ ULTRA QUIET (£76)
Processor Cooling
SUPER QUIET 22dBA TRIPLE COPPER HEATPIPE CPU COOLER (£19)

This totals £750 and will give me room to slightly overclock the CPU and allow to to go crossfire in the future with a second 5770, however, for £2 less(This is irrelivent im just pointing out the near exact same price) i have just found i can build the following system...

Case
PCS MAELSTROM T900 BLACK GAMING CASE (£59)
Processor (CPU)
Intel® Core™i5-760 Quad Core (2.80GHz, 8MB Cache)
Motherboard
ASUS® P7H55-M SI: MICRO ATX VALUE MAINBOARD,USB 2.0 & SATA 3.0Gb/s
Memory (RAM)
4GB SAMSUNG DDR3 DUAL-DDR3 1333MHz (2 X 2GB)
Graphics Card
1GB NVIDIA GEFORCE GTX460 GDDR5 PCI EXPRESS - DirectX® 11
Memory - 1st Hard Disk
1TB SERIAL ATA 3-Gb/s HARD DRIVE WITH 16MB CACHE (7,200rpm)
1st DVD/BLU-RAY Drive
24x DUAL LAYER DVD WRITER ±R/±RW/RAM
Power Supply & Case Cooling
450W Quiet 80 PLUS Dual Rail PSU + 120mm Case Fan (£29)
Processor Cooling
INTEL SOCKET LGA1156 STANDARD CPU COOLER

Now i have done enuogh to research to know that this 1Gig 460GTX will easily beat the 5770 in the original system, however i will be using stock cooling which wont allow an overclock, this isnt a problem because from what i read the i5-760 is a bit better than the 965BE anyway, and the differences will be minimal to me anyway. My main concern is wether the second system is such a solid build compared to the first one and wether you think it would be better to go for the 5770 crossfire in the future compared to the single 460GTX(which i wouldnt be able to Sli on the mb)

If it would be fair to say that i will be able to get mid level graphics smoothly out of FFXIV on a single 5770 then i think the first option is best, but please guys any help appreciated :) 

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a c 169 U Graphics card
August 26, 2010 4:54:43 PM

Although the second system is faster, i would recommend going with the first one because a 5770 can handle all games fine on 1680x1050 and you'll save some cash too
a b U Graphics card
August 26, 2010 4:58:29 PM

why did you put a 650w power supply with the 5770 but a 450w power supply with the gtx460. im sure the stock cooler will allow you to overclock the gtx460, just not as much. im also curious about how an i5-760 with a gtx460 can cost less then a x4 965 with a HD5770. the x4 965 is usually around £20-25 cheaper then the i5 and the 1gb HD5770 is around £35-45 cheaper then the 1gb GTX460.
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August 26, 2010 5:07:40 PM

infernox_01 said:
why did you put a 650w power supply with the 5770 but a 450w power supply with the gtx460. im sure the stock cooler will allow you to overclock the gtx460, just not as much. im also curious about how an i5-760 with a gtx460 can cost less then a x4 965 with a HD5770. the x4 965 is usually around £20-25 cheaper then the i5 and the 1gb HD5770 is around £35-45 cheaper then the 1gb GTX460.


The 650W psu is so it can handle crossfire in the future, plus overclocking given the CPU cooler, btw it is the cpu's i am talking about overclocking. And the price being the same is down to the first system having a 650W Corsair PSU which costs £43 more than the cheaper branded 450W. The first system also has the CPU cooler which was an additional £19.

And im not really too concerned about GPU overclocking i will only do it slightly so both will be fine without any special cooling... To be honest it would be easier to discount overclocking from the decision on this because i am going to call 965 with slight OC pretty equall to the i5 with no OC, and that is what the cooler is for on the first system.

Sorry i know that is confusing but i know what i mean :) 
August 26, 2010 5:09:25 PM

Maziar said:
Although the second system is faster, i would recommend going with the first one because a 5770 can handle all games fine on 1680x1050 and you'll save some cash too


Thanks, would you say that Dual 5770's would be faster than single 460GTX and so does that mean you would say the single 5770 will get me through FFXIV on mid graphics smoothly?
a b U Graphics card
August 26, 2010 6:51:40 PM

yes 2 5770's will be faster then a single gtx460. i wouldnt really advise going with a unbranded 450w with the gtx 460. most people recommend 500w power supplies for it. im not sure how far the x4 965 can overclock with just the stock cooler but black edition processors are very good for overclocking.
August 26, 2010 8:06:31 PM

infernox_01 said:
yes 2 5770's will be faster then a single gtx460. i wouldnt really advise going with a unbranded 450w with the gtx 460. most people recommend 500w power supplies for it. im not sure how far the x4 965 can overclock with just the stock cooler but black edition processors are very good for overclocking.


I am thinking that is the option im going to go with, i found the comparing tool on this website about an hour ago and compared a 5770 with 460GTX and 5770Cf, and while you get a boost from the 460 compared to the 5770 you get and even bigger boost again over the 460 with CF 5770's and at the end of the day they are a mid range video card so at worst it will handle FFXIV at a playable level intill i invest in the upgrade... And with that system i would have the CPU cooler too so overclocking with the 965 should be pretty good :)  Thanks
a b U Graphics card
August 26, 2010 9:00:04 PM

if you wanted to save some money you could crossfire some 5750s, they would be better then a gtx460 but not as good as the crossfired 5770s. also ati are apparently releasing their 6000 series in october/november. it might be worthwhile to wait, most people are expecting a 20-30% performance increase while reducing power consumption and heat. i also found out that someone overclocked their x4 965 to 3.98ghz on the stock cooler but went up to 4.4ghz with a different cooler.
August 26, 2010 9:06:16 PM

infernox_01 said:
if you wanted to save some money you could crossfire some 5750s, they would be better then a gtx460 but not as good as the crossfired 5770s. also ati are apparently releasing their 6000 series in october/november. it might be worthwhile to wait, most people are expecting a 20-30% performance increase while reducing power consumption and heat. i also found out that someone overclocked their x4 965 to 3.98ghz on the stock cooler but went up to 4.4ghz with a different cooler.


Yeah i guess so, but i wouldnt be able to get them both either right away so it makes sense to do the 5770's, i will just tighten up abit and in the same amount of time as 5750's would take get 5770's, but thanks for the idea i did consider it when i read it :)  And i know im gutted that my system has no hope of handleing games right now, otherwise i would have made do with what i had for a month or so and then when the 6 series was released pick up a cheap 5870 or even go for a lower end 6xxx. But i need the rig in time for FFXIV.
a c 169 U Graphics card
August 26, 2010 9:30:20 PM

adam1712 said:
Thanks, would you say that Dual 5770's would be faster than single 460GTX and so does that mean you would say the single 5770 will get me through FFXIV on mid graphics smoothly?

2 5770s > 1 GTX 460 > 1 5770
For your resolution which is 1680x1050, a single 5770 suffices and can handle FFXIV on high settings without any problems
August 26, 2010 10:51:38 PM



That is great but i would still need OS and installation because im not confident enough to build it myself, i also have an issue because the site im going to order through allows me finance which is why i cant really use any other site unless it is the odd part, thanks for that tho i will deffinately take a look at that site when i come to ordering bits!
August 26, 2010 11:36:28 PM

Oh sorry Adam I though you were gonna build it yourself.

Still if you can get a pc of that level for £750 it's pretty ok. :)  You have to choose between the low quality parts of the intel system, and the overall quality of the AMD system. It's a tough one. The intel system will be better at gaming no question about that, but if you play around with some components you might just be able to get a good AMD system that makes more sense.
August 26, 2010 11:38:31 PM

That 5830 @ £123 is an awesome deal btw. I'm thinking about buying it myself...
August 27, 2010 12:35:06 AM

Adam,

A bit of food for thought...
The 955 is only slightly slower than the 965 (from what i have read in the forums here) and it should save you a bit of cash also. The 5770 is a great card (price for performance, again thanks to forum research). I have looked into it and am getting a PC built also ($60 for someone else to have the headaches, etc.) and decided on the 955, but i have splurged on an xfx 5850. Not quite the bang for buck bargain, but apparently good for future upgrades (thinking crossfire down the track). You can see my build in my signature below.

Interesting note, the guy who's putting it together for me warned against ASUS as he has had nothing but problems with them, and suggested Gigabyte instead.

Just thought I would add my two bob's worth!

Cheers
August 27, 2010 1:39:01 AM

Agreed on the 955 vs the 965. The 955 BE is AMD's best chip for a lot of people and can save £20 for what is basically the same cpu as the 965 BE.

Don't worry too much about what one person says about a company though. Asus, Gigabyte, they are really just the same with good and bad. :) 
August 27, 2010 5:59:42 AM


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Don't worry too much about what one person says about a company though. Asus, Gigabyte, they are really just the same with good and bad. :) 


Not too concerned but if the guy putting it together tells me no hassles and there are, well i'll feel quite vindicated giving him a serve
:) 
August 27, 2010 9:25:55 AM

at ur rez a 5770 is enough save your cash
a b U Graphics card
August 27, 2010 9:54:01 AM

wow that 5830 has a crazy price. cheaper then most 1gb 5770s in the UK.
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