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Anonymous
October 12, 2010 3:45:52 PM

Hello everyone,
This is my first post on this forum and also my first PC build. After doing some extensive research etc. I've come up with a products list that I was wondering if you all (being the experts) could look at and give me some ideas or suggestions and let me know of any compatibility issues you think I might have. This system is for intense photo editing as well as gaming (obviously). Trying to keep it around $1,000 US. Thanks again in advance.


-Cooler Master RC-310-BWN1-GP Elite 310 ATX, MATX Mid Tower Case with Window

-Cooler Master RR-B10-212P-G1 Hyper 212 Plus 775/1156/1366/AMD/AM2/AM3 Universal Direct Contact Heat-Pipe 120mm Fan CPU Cooler

-Corsair CMPSU-650TX 650-Watt TX Series 80 Plus Certified Power Supply

-Corsair TR3X6G1600C9 XMS3 6 GB 3 X 2 GB PC3-12800 1600MHz 240-Pin DDR3 Tri-Channel Intel Core i7 Memory Kit
(This is for $140 and I don't know if that price reflects well the quality or if you have any suggestions on different 6gb RAM)

-AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8 GHz 6x512 KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Processor
(I'm also think of the 1075T but cost is making me think otherwise, what do you think?)

-ASUS Crosshair IV Formula - AM3 - AMD 890FX - DDR3 - Republic of Gamers - ATX Motherboard

or

-Gigabyte Socket AM3/AMD 890FX/SATA3&USB3.0/A&2GbE/ATX Motherboard GA-890FXA-UD5
(I'm debating on these two MOBO. Any suggestions?)

-XFX Radeon HD 5770 1GB DDR5 PCIE Graphics Card HD577AZNFC
(I thought this one was good because of the reviews I've read and I can buy a second later for crossfire. What do you think?)

-Western Digital 750 GB Caviar Black SATA 7200 RPM 32 MB Cache Bulk/OEM Desktop Hard Drive WD7501AALS
(I thought this was a good HDD for now because of the reviews etc. When I have more money I think I'll get an SSD. The other HDD I was thinking of getting was the same one but with 64mb of cache. Again what are your suggestions)

And that's about it other than an optical drive which I'll worry about later. Let me know what you think ideas or suggestions. Thanks so much and AWESOME forum!!

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Anonymous
October 12, 2010 5:16:11 PM

Nice suggestion on the GPU. I'll add it. I like the package you showed me but I don't like the case as much. The one I chose is cheaper even with the 650 watt PSU separately. Thanks for the suggestions. The other thing was the memory in that deall is only 1333 whereas the one I chose is 1600. What do you think about the MOBO in that set up and the one's I've got? And what do you think about the memory I chose? Thanks again.
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October 12, 2010 5:32:28 PM

I wouldn't see too much difference between 1600 and 1333 unless u plan to overclock any components. This is because the Phenom II X6 only supports up to 1333. Good choice on the ATI 5770 in terms of photo editing and gaming. u chose core i7 memory but ur mobo only supports dual channel.
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October 12, 2010 7:27:12 PM

Here's a crossfire-ready system:

ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 + AMD Phenom II X6 1055T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB + Antec Three Hundred Illusion
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W + HIS H585FN1GD Radeon HD 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

$869.93
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Anonymous
October 12, 2010 8:24:39 PM

THese are great suggestions. As far as the memory issue, would that memory not work because it is specific for a i7 MOBO? I just thought it was "compatible" with i7 but can be used with intel or AMD MOBO is that not right? Here is some other memory I found.
Patriot Viper II Sector 7 Edition DDR3 6 GB (3 x 2 GB) PC3-12800 1600MHz 8-8-8-24 Low Latency Kit PV736G1600LLK

I can get it for $115. The second question I had was about the phantom II x6 only being able to handle up to 1333Mhz. I did not know that. Can you OC them to 1600MHz? I was hoping to OC a little. is that not much of a difference from 1333Mhz to 1600 and up? I thought it would be. Thanks for the great comments and help.
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October 12, 2010 8:36:12 PM

The most immediate problem I saw was a full sized ATX mobo, but a micro-ATX case. Also, you listed a triple channel RAM kit (3x2GB), but AMD uses dual-channel RAM, so you want 2x2GB. For photo editing and gaming, 4GB is sufficient.
As to the case, I would choose Rosewill, Antec, Raidmax, NZXT, or Lian Li over Coolermaster.
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October 12, 2010 8:41:08 PM

The processor you chose can only utilize dual-channel ram, meaning you're limited to kits that come with an even number of sticks. (2, 4, 8GB kits). If you want to use the 6GB kits, you will need to switch to an i7 processor.
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October 12, 2010 8:44:38 PM

mattimeo005 said:
The processor you chose can only utilize dual-channel ram, meaning you're limited to kits that come with an even number of sticks. (2, 4, 8GB kits). If you want to use the 6GB kits, you will need to switch to an i7 processor.


Technically, you can install the triple-channel kits...it'll just default to single-channel mode. That will result in a performance hit, but it's unlikely to be noticeable in day-to-day gaming, but it might show up under heavy photoshop usage.
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Anonymous
October 12, 2010 9:14:14 PM

Ahh ha I understand now thanks for the clarification. I'll get 2 x 2gb then. Any RAM in particular or is the brand I've mentioned above fine? As far as the case goes. the coolmaster 310 says it fits ATX and micro ATX so I thought it was fine or do you think with the stuff I want to put in it it'll be too crowded?

Does anyone have any additional info or suggestions on those two MOBO I mentioned?
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October 12, 2010 9:52:29 PM

Oops, I missed that on the case when I saw the "MATX" part. Your mobo should fit. I'm not fond of Coolermaster for their quality (I don't think I'll buy another), but other people like them.
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Anonymous
October 13, 2010 6:04:15 PM

OK so I think I've got my system. The only big looming question is which motherboard to get for this AMD x6 system I want to build. I like the features of the ASUS crosshair IV formula but the Gigabyte Socket AM3/AMD 890FX/SATA3&USB3.0/A&2GbE/ATX Motherboard GA-890FXA-UD5 looks attractive too and it's cheaper. The last one I'm looking at is this: ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard. So i'ts between these three... any suggestions or opinions? Thanks and you guys have been a big help!!
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Anonymous
October 13, 2010 6:21:22 PM

Sorry for my ignorance but can you plug in a 3gb/s HDD into a 6gb/s socket on a motherboard? re there any compatibility issues there? As far as I remember I don't there there are...
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October 13, 2010 7:37:38 PM

Quote:
Sorry for my ignorance but can you plug in a 3gb/s HDD into a 6gb/s socket on a motherboard? re there any compatibility issues there? As far as I remember I don't there there are...


Sata 6gb/s is backwards compatible with SATA 3gb/s
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Anonymous
October 14, 2010 3:56:26 AM

A random question. I think later I'll buy an SSD drive when they are a little more affordible however I want to buy windows 7 pro OEM and was wondering if when I get the new drive I can download the OS on that drive, use it as my main drive and have the old HDD drive be my back up drive? The question I have is because it's OEM will it let me switch it two a different hard drive? I thought maybe it could because the MOBO and system will all be the same. Just curious. Thanks. Oh and mosox I think I'm going to go with your suggested build. It works out great. Thanks!! Any combos for DVD drives etc?
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October 14, 2010 6:35:02 AM

That plan with Win 7 OEM will work fine. The Win 7 license is tied to the motherboard, not to any specific hard drive. In other words, you wouldn't have any problems unless you upgraded your motherboard at some point in the future and tried to reload Win 7 on that.
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Anonymous
October 15, 2010 2:56:48 AM

Does anyone have an opinion on these two hard drives?
1. SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
2. Western Digital Caviar Black WD6402AAEX 640GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
I am trying to decide between them. Thanks
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October 15, 2010 11:37:08 AM

ALWAYS get a Spinpoint over Caviar, ALWAYS
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October 15, 2010 4:08:19 PM

There's no advantage to SATA 6.0 Gb/s on a mechanical hard drive. Current hard drives can't even saturate SATA 3.0 Gb/s. Furthermore, the Spinpoint uses 2 500 GB platters, which results in denser data than the 2x 320 GB platters the WD uses. Denser platters gives you faster reads, though it's unlikely to be all that noticeable unless you read/write large files a lot.

Get the Spinpoint.
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October 15, 2010 10:48:47 PM

Thanks for all your guys great comments and suggestions. I think I have my final build I think I'm going to go with what mosox suggested Here's what I got:

ASUS M4A89TD PRO/USB3 + AMD Phenom II X6 1055T
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.534725
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB + Antec Three Hundred Illusion
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.514370
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822152185
OCZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W + HIS H585FN1GD Radeon HD 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.525205

Plus I've added:

Lite-On LightScribe 24X SATA DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive IHAS424-98
Cooler Master RR-B10-212P-G1 Hyper 212 Plus 775/1156/1366/AMD/AM2/AM3 Universal Direct Contact Heat-Pipe 120mm Fan CPU Cooler
And Windows 7 professional 64 bit

So what do you guys think? Any final words of advice before I go out and build this bad boy? Thanks again and you guys have been great!!
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October 16, 2010 1:23:32 AM

Any thoughts?... I was looking at doing this with an intel i5 or i7 but found this to be a better deal. Again this is a system for photo editing with photoshop and gaming namely Bad Company 2, medal of honor, total war Napoleon etc.
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October 16, 2010 2:33:43 AM

Wow mosox your a newegg combo genius! Thanks for these tips. The new mobo has a built in HD4250 card. If you add any second ATI card to that mobo will they work together in crossfire or will the new card (in this case the far superior HD 5870) be the default card? And is there any a mobo combo with win 7 professional?
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October 16, 2010 2:55:35 AM

Also mosox what do you think would be the cost benefit of going the intel route? IN the long run do you think it would be best?
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October 16, 2010 3:40:58 PM

Thanks mosox for your help. Looks awesome! Are there any ideas out there on the Intel build?
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October 18, 2010 12:21:09 AM

Mosox thank you so much for your help. OK... So I think I know what I'd like to do. I think I want to go with the 5850 and do crossfire later so I'll need that ASUS P7P55D-E Pro mobo Because of cost I don't think the 5870 will be in my budget especially because of what I think I want to do. See below. So I found this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
It's the i5-750 which is good but has one less thread than the 760 and the deal isn't that great. But I also found this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
With a code I get it for $140 and it 8gb and then thers this PSU with a code it's $60. Here it is.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

OK so that leaves finding the CPU 5850 GPU MOBO and case. I'll look again for a combo and see if it comes out good. I really like the 8gb deal. It's a good price as well as the PSU. I think 650watts will be enough for crossfire from what I've read. So my friend I can't tell you how appreciative I am of your help. Thank you. Let me know what you find out and, as always, what you think.
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October 18, 2010 12:26:26 AM

You can always get the Phenom II X4 and save some $$. You really don't need 8GB of RAM, you won't use them. Also the new ATI 6 series is about to be in the stores in a couple of weeks so the GPU prices will go down.
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October 18, 2010 1:34:46 AM

Well, the promo isn't workin anyway... well... back to square one I guess. My wife is getting sick of me researching this thing out. I need to find something... or I wait... I go the AMD route or I go the intel route. I'm getting a headache here. mosox why don't you just decide for me because I obviously can't and I'm driving myself nuts with this stuff. I have so many amazon, newegg tabs open on my computer it's running at a snails pace trying to compare here save there.

So, heres what I do know...
I want a 5850, I want the samsung spinpoint, windows 7 professional 64 bit, a good quality PSU such as a corsair, Seasonic, or antec most likely 650 watts and above, a motherboard that does supports crossfire, has 6gb SATA and 3.0 USB

The rest is up in the air. I like the performance and price of the i5-760 the cost, I think is on par with an AMD for what I'll be using it for. You've convinced me that 4 gbs of RAM is enough so there you have it. Either the AMD or i5-760 and the case is a toss-up. Whichever is the best cost benefit and all this for $1,000 or less. I don't think this is too much to ask... So here we are. I think the intel is slightly better for me in my mind but then again I'm just a navice at this. So mosox, with these peramiters and that price if this were you what would you do? What would you build? Thanks again friend!!
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October 18, 2010 3:51:15 AM

If going with AMD allows you to get a better graphics card than a 5850 and still stay within budget, go with an AMD build. Otherwise, go for the i5-760.

They're both relatively equal in performance in gaming, the i5 may have some advantages in specific games, and it will generally perform a little better at other tasks. Probably not super-noticeable, but it does tend to do a little better on benchmarks.
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October 18, 2010 10:49:17 PM

That is a good point. After looking at the cost of each the AMD route is $43 cheaper. The other way to bting cost down the AMD route would be getting the X4 655 rather than the X4 665. That would bring it down another $30-40. So... let the debate continue!
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October 18, 2010 11:24:35 PM

Wait a few more days, the new ATI 6XXX is to be released Oct 22.
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October 19, 2010 8:21:26 PM

OK so I'm waiting to see what prices do in the next few days. IN the mean time I've been doing some more reading about AMD and intel and the motherboards and this is what I've found out. Please if anyone has more info let me know.
First Intel
So the i5-760 kind of kicks the phenom IIx4 655, 665 and even the 670 in bench marks is almost every area but particularly in gaming etc. It's more energy efficient and runs cooler with/out overclocking however it is hotter than the AMD when you overclock but it does have higher overclock potential than the AMD. It is a little more expensive by anywhere from $30-$50 than the AMD X4 6** series. The motherboard it will work on is the 1156 chipset. Now from what I understand is that chipset does not give a lot in the way of bandwidth to 2 x PCI-e if your running crossfire or SLI whereas the newer 1366 chipset has plenty of bandwidth to the two PCI-E so, from what I understand, if your running just 1 GPU with the 1156 than it's no big deal but if your running it in crossfire/ SLI than the newer 1366 is the way to go? Am I right? As far as the AMD motherboards go, I'm not so sure. It seem the 890GX and 890FX have good bandwidth when it comes to dual GPU's. How much of an improvement that is from one another I do not know. If anyone has more info on this could please enlighten me because I'd like to know.

Now for AMD
I won't rehash what I've said above but it seems the AMD route is better in the way of future upgrades with regards to the motherboard. For example, I can buy a phenome II x4 670 now and if say in a year I win the lottory I could then upgrade to the X6 1090T without a problem. This does not seem the case with regarss to intel boards. The newer 1366 is only compatible with i7 and only some i7's at that. So... who's to say when the newer i9's come out they need a new mobo chipset...? SO upgrade ability seems limited there. These are just a few of the factors I've looked into. Perhaps we could dive into this more to not only help me in my decision but also the many other consumers and readers of this forum to help them with their decisions as well. Thanks again for all your help and comments!! This has been very educational and helpful for me.
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October 19, 2010 9:26:29 PM

I'm in full research page as well - going between Phenom II X4, to X6, to i5 760, and all over the place.

My needs are NOT for gaming....I just want a system that can last me another 5 years (currently using 2005 vintage Pentium D) and will be able to do HD video editing. I definitely want SATA 6.0 and USB 3.0 function to help me stay current over those next 5 years.

To the last poster......so you are saying you need to "win the lottery" and then you'll toss out the X4 Phenom for an X6 that today costs $80 more? Just thought that was funny....you'd pay $180 today and then pay again next year.

I keep gravitating to the X6 cause overall cost seems a little lower and I think the 6 cores would be good for video encoding in the future.

Then I keep reading about Bulldozer and Sandy Bridge and then ask myself why I am not waiting for a few more months to see what those have to offer......(yes, I know that in tech there is always something better coming around the corner so you can't wait.....)

This is really tough
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October 20, 2010 6:17:45 PM

Hello everyone. I thought you all might like a progress report for those who are following this thread. I'll start by telling you what I've bought for my new rig and I'll give you how much it has all cost. Hopefully you'll be inpressed. If not please don't tell me as I can't take it. LOL! Just kidding please tell me cuz I can always return it. I'm pretty excited about my system. Here is the build list.

Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
http://www.amazon.com/Arctic-Silver-5-Thermal-Compound/...

Cooler Master RR-B10-212P-G1 Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.amazon.com/Cooler-Master-RR-B10-212P-G1-Univ...

LIAN LI Lancool PC-K58W Black 0.8 mm SECC, Plastic + Mesh ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SeaSonic X650 Gold 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mushkin Enhanced Silverline 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model 996770
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ok so that's what I've bought so far. And the grand total is... drum role please... $389 with shipping and tax! I'm pretty excited about it! So all I have left to buy is my CPU, GPU, MOBO and a simple DVD drive. Right now I'm waiting for GPU prices to go down and I'm still going back and forth on the i5-760 and the AMD processors. SO tell me what you think so far and any input or advice. Thanks so much for all your help!
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October 21, 2010 10:28:50 PM

If you're planning on going Intel route, I'd strongly suggest waiting until Q1 2011 when the Sandy Bridge processors come out, as the prices on the older tech will inevitably drop when that happens. Though if you absolutely can't wait (but seems you can since you're waiting for GPU prices to go down, anyways), there are good mobo/cpu combos for i5-760s on newegg, and for about the same as the AMD combo above.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Also future proof, and cheaper.

But yeah, if you can wait, I'd wait for sandy bridge to come out, and try to pick up an i7/mobo combo, hopefully around $350-400.
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October 22, 2010 8:41:54 PM

Alright everyone here is my final build minus the processor. Thought you all might like to know.

I have bought all of the above and the new items I've bought are

Radeon HD 6870!!! It's $40 cheaper than the 5850 and it performs better (Works for me)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

For my MOBO I got :ASUS P7P55D-E Pro - LGA 1156 - Intel P55 - DDR3 - USB 3.0 SATA 6Gb/s - ATX Motherboard

And then I bought a Lite-On LightScribe 24X SATA DVD+/-RW Dual Layer Drive IHAS424-98 as my multipurpose drive.

I am really excited about this build. I found these parts cheaper buying them separately with some coupons etc than in a combo where I had to pay taxes and some very minimal shipping and so I'm stuck with one more purchase which is only moderately important (excuse the sarcasm), the processor.

I've obviously decided on the intel build because of it's superior performance and cost benefit as mentioned earlier. I'm just waiting for a decent price for it the cheapest I've been able to find it is for $195 here http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=I5-760BOX&show... I don't know if this is a reputable online store. And I can't find information on the warranty. With newegg it says it's 3 yrs. If anyone has info about this or another good place/ price/ suggestions on this processor then please let me know as it is the LAST thing I need. Thank goodness!

Thanks for all of your help this forum has been immensely helpful
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October 22, 2010 11:04:29 PM

Cheapest i5-760 ive been able to find, hands down. Oh, but this only works for you if you have a MicroCenter near you...which sucks.

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...


You can also take a look at some of the i7-800 series, as those are also socket 1156. So if you want hyperthreading (up to 8 threads) then I might suggest you go with i7. But if you're mainly going to be gaming, then the i5-760 is probably best.
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October 30, 2010 3:16:59 AM

Well thought I'd give everyone a quick update on my build. I did it!! My first build. I'm using it now to type this message. So I went with the above and even bought the i5-760 from Microcenter (there's one near-by) Saved me about $35. So everything went well with the build. I hit the power switch for the first time and... nothing... a few seconds later I hear the dreaded one long beep and three short beeps. VGA not detected. I saw that light come up on the mobo (This mobo rocks. I love it! It has LED light on it that let you diagnose where the problem is and the MemOK feature is nice.) So I went through the steps of trying to figure out what the deal was. I tried the second PCI slot connected reconnected. I thought it was a DOA mobo or GPU. So after I was about to give up I decided to connect and reconnect the power from the PSU to the GPU. Apparently one the pins didn't line up just right when I plugged it in and wound up knocking that pin lose. So I got my needle nose out fixed it fired it up and VWALA!! Haven't had a problem with it since! I really digging Win 7 pro and the 8 gigs of ram. This new HD 6870 is pretty amazing also. The only other technically challenging thing was getting everything to become compatible with win 7. I had a few issues with my printer and wireless adapter but found some special drivers. So I just wanted to say thank you all to everyone for your help and suggestions. I feel like I got a winner with this rig. I'm pleased with it! The last thing I want to do is some overclocking which I'll do some more reading about. Anyone have any great websites off hand. I also want to install some of those programs that measure your temps and check your ram etc. Are there any other programs/ website anyone would recommend for this? Thanks again! This forum ROCKS!!
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