Hi My mother uses photoshop mainly she needs a new computer. I'm thinking about building her I want it to be powerful enough for her but use as little energy as possible.
metalforlife9999 said:Hi My mother uses photoshop mainly she needs a new computer. I'm thinking about building her I want it to be powerful enough for her but use as little energy as possible.
From Tom's Sandy Bridge article: Benchmark Results: Content CreationQuote:Seemingly bottlenecked by something other than threading, Photoshop is almost as kind to the Core i5-2500K as it is to the -2600K, both of which slide past the Core i7-875K.
Surprisingly, the Bloomfield-based Core i7-950 falls to the middle of the pack, just ahead of AMD’s hexa-core flagship. Confused as to why that part is able to best the 3.5 GHz Phenom II X4 970? Either Turbo CORE is kicking in, allowing the X6 1100T to jump to 3.7 GHz, or Photoshop really can put all six cores to work.
At least we know it’s able to use more than two cores—both dual-core Intel parts bring up the rear, including the Core i3-2100 in last place.
i5s make a very healthy showing for Photoshop.
Does Photoshop use CUDA or the GPU in any way? For energy efficiency, would an H67 with the on-chip graphics make sense? A 'K' part would have the stronger integrated graphics. Probably worth the $20-30... unless a discrete GPU is of assistance.
Building this for a friend's mom ($1500 budget).... currently enrolled in Photography in adult ed
Case - $70 - Antec 300 Illusion http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129066
PSU - $74 - Antec EA-650 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371015
MoBo - $395 - ASUS P8P67 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.575884
CPU - incl above - Intel Core i5-2500K http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115070
RAM - $100 - (2 x 4GB) Corsair CAS 9 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145324
GFX - $140 - EVGA 01G-P3-1366-TR GeForce GTX 460 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130595
HD - $65 - Seagate 7200.12 1TB 7200 rpm http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148433
SSD - $199 - OCZ Vertex 2 2.5" 120GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551
DVD Writer - $22 - Asus 24X DRW-24B3L w/ LS http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135221
OS - $100 - Win 7-64 Home Pre http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116758
Card Reader $35 AFT XM-35U http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820176016
Monitor - $180 - ASUS VE247H 23.6" LED http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236112
Keyboard - $44 - Logitech G110 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823126087
Mouse - $40 - Logitech G500 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16826104318
Cost $1,464 w/o any combo discounts
metalforlife9999 said:I don't know if it uses CUDAA it uses. She uses Adobe Light Room and Adobe Photoshop. I'm looking for something that uses less then 100watts on max load.
I've been trying to make an energy efficient server with a 2500K. So far, the system is generally idling at 40W (kill-a-watt meter at the wall) on integrated graphics and a single HDD and DVD on a 80Plus Corsair supply. Mild load gets into the 60s and 4 cores doing benchmarks gets to 90W. Loudest thing is the hard drive.
Her existing 9600 GSO is going to be much stronger than the integrated graphics: Jan 2011 Hierarchy Chart
If its an upgrade... I'd say keep what she has for now and if it doesn't feel fast enough, you can always drop in a card in the future. A Radeon 5770 is under 150W and is 5 steps up the hierarchy chart from the 9600 GSO. If CUDA is a benefit, a GTS 450 eats less power and is 4 steps up. The GT 240 doesn't appear to be significantly above the 9600 GSO... so that probably isn't worth the money.
The hierarchy chart shows the Intel integrated graphics around the level of a nVidia 6600 GT from *years* ago... but those cards *were* awesome in 2005. If you aren't doing anything video intensive... it might be good enough. Could always add in the discrete card there too... but you would have had to invest in a H67 board instead of a more performance oriented P67. Don't know if the Quick Sync would figure either... (a plus for H67)
What's your budget looking like? Is it a complete system, or an upgrade from what she currently has?
Sandy Bridge will give you all the processing you need... go for as much memory as you can afford... get 64-bit OS to use that pile of memory... a 1TB hard drive... For a 'Mom system'... I'd typically save the money on graphics, but if she's doing a Photoshop class... she's probably pretty computer savy... Adobe might add GPU assisted processing... but you can always add a card then...
Without getting too tight on numbers, I'd say the 'core' ends up around $450 of the budget. A 2500K ($225), a P67 board (roughly $150), 2x4GB DDR3 (sub-$100). That leaves $250 for a case, supply, hard drive, optical drive. A 1TB drive (WD Caviar Black, Seagate 7200.12, or one of the good Samsung ones... pick your favorite) and a SATA DVD burner (there's at least a dozen models under $20 at Newegg) will be about $100 of that. You can probably get by with a 450W supply but you might want more. If you get lucky with rebates, you can land something within $50... but it usually costs more. You can get a reasonable case for $40 or less... but that's a style thing.
So... even if you spend $100 on the supply, the $700 budget is reasonable... a couple bucks here or there... depending on deals.
Photoshop uses OpenGL not CUDA so as long as your card is certified for OpenGL you should be fine. Onboard graphics should be sufficient for simple, 2D photo editing, but if your mother uses any of the 3D features in Photoshop, she'll likely need a stronger, dedicated graphics solution.
Both of the builds posted on here should give you some insight into what you need. A fast quad-core will do the job great. I can't remember where but I've read somewhere that Photoshop utilises more than 2 cores, but I'm not sure there's much benefit going for six over four. You can either go the AMD route and grab the Phenom II X4 Dadiggle pointed to or go Intel and the 2500k that JackNaylorPE mentioned.
The only issue with Dadiggles build is that all of that RAM won't fit in the motherboard. He listed 6 x 2GB sticks, but the motherboard only has 4 DIMM slots, so you'll either need a different board or different RAM. How much RAM you'll need depends on the kind of work your mother will be doing. As Dadiggle mentioned, if time is money then the more the merrier but if it's more of a hobby than a profession and she's not working with particularly large files then she may not even need a full 12GB. I run Photoshop as a hobby and so some basic photo editing and I haven't had any hiccups on 4GB. That being said, I don't work on really large files and don't use a ton of filters or effects so take that with a pinch of salt.
EDIT: Scrap the below, just remembered SandyBridge also has dual channel memory, I was thinking of the 1366 for some reason! The same applies as to the AMD build though, sorry for the confusion.
[One thing I would say is that keep in mind that the i5 2500k uses a triple channel controller whereas the Phenom uses dual channel. So depending which route you go down you'll want to buy your memory in sets of three or sets of two or multiples of each etc.]
^Both CPUs utilise dual channel memory.
If it were me, if I'd grab 2 x 4GB sticks. If you feel that 8GB isn't enough if you go AMD you can always had more later. As others have mentioned though it all depends what kind of Photoshop work your mother's likely to be doing. Good luck!
@moody89 - That's good to know about the OpenGL usage. Its not OpenCL, right?
@dadiggle - I've seen RAM be a big factor with Photoshop performance even with the little bit I've used it.
With the price of RAM right now, its a pretty easy descision to make. 4GB modules will be the way to go... even if you start with 2x4GB ... you'll have the freedom to add another pair for under $100 if its needed. Like mentioned above... it won't make an operation in Photoshop not work... it might require it to take longer as info is swaped between the hard disk and memory if the image/process is complex enough. If its a business... time is money!