Sign in with
Sign up | Sign in
Your question

Replacing HDD causes windows not to boot, partition problem?

Last response: in Storage
Share
January 29, 2013 4:16:39 PM

Hey folks thanks for visiting my thread.

This is my first post on here so be gentle :D  I'm usually pretty techsavvy and I've solved almost all my problems on my own via google, using other people's threads and experiences but this has gotten be completely stumped.

Basically I have a relatively new 128GB SSD and a 1.5TB HDD thats divided into two partitions one for programs that dont need to be on the SSD and the other for storage. The HDD is starting to die so I bought a new one to replace it. The problem is when I unplug the old HDD I am unable to boot up anymore and I receive this message immediately after the bios screen "reboot and select proper device or insert boot media in select boot device and press any key"

I've tried booting up with my usb recovery drive, auto repair fails instantly, tried bootrec /fixmbr and /fixboot, plugging in the new HDD, no system restore as I just upgraded to windows 8, and I didnt make any past points either.

Although my understanding of how partitions work is limited I believe this may be the cause of the problem. When I use partition wizard to view my partitions, one of the HDD partitions is lumped in with my SSD.

E.g. diagram below, also here is a screenshot http://postimage.org/image/virq7ylm5/

Disk 1
D:\ (An HDD partition)

Disk 2
C:\ (My SSD, primary and active)
E:\ (The other HDD partition)

Also I'm running a 3570k, 8GB ram, 6850HD GFX, windows 8 system.

Any help would be much appreciated, please and thanks!!!

Edit 1: Also after disconnecting the old HDD, i've gone into my bios, made sure the SSD was the 1st to boot etc. I've tried alternating between AHCI and IDE (dunno if that would help) but no luck either
January 29, 2013 4:41:54 PM

To me it looks like C is on your hdd. I would imagine that you wanted C on your ssd. You might have to reinstall windows. Start with just the sdd and add the hdd after windows is installed.
m
0
l
January 29, 2013 4:50:34 PM

I know how it looks but my C: is in fact my SSD. I'm just not sure how or why my E: drive is grouped onto the same disk as the SSD - which may be affecting the MBR. Also I dont have access to a physical copy of windows, as I got my Windows 7 from MSDN when I was in school, and Windows 8 from the digital upgrade promo just recently
m
0
l
Related resources
a c 80 G Storage
January 29, 2013 5:00:08 PM

It looks like the hidden boot partition got placed on the HDD instead of the SSD.
m
0
l
January 29, 2013 5:00:46 PM

I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure D is your sdd. 128GB drives do not show up as 128GB in Windows, it will show as less than 120GB, which matches D. Also, please fix the url. What you might have to do is shrink C so that it will fit on D so you can clone C to D after you back them both up.
m
0
l
January 29, 2013 5:06:23 PM

ss202sl said:
It looks like the hidden boot partition got placed on the HDD instead of the SSD.


Sorry could you elaborate on the hidden boot partition?

Quote:
I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure D is your sdd. 128GB drives do not show up as 128GB in Windows, it will show as less than 120GB, which matches D. Also, please fix the url. What you might have to do is shrink C so that it will fit on D so you can clone C to D after you back them both up.


Trust me, the C: is my SSD, just look at the used space on the D: drive theres only ~127 megs on there
m
0
l
January 29, 2013 5:17:41 PM

Ok, try Parted Magic and see what it says. It might give you a better idea of why your partitions are all goofed up.
m
0
l
a b G Storage
January 30, 2013 6:36:29 AM

I note that your HDD is about 1.3TB, but the SSD is only 112GB, so if you want to migrate the OS onto SSD and make it bootable, you should use some image tool or use AOMEI Partition Assistant home edition (free) or Paragon migration tool (pay). You can not make it bootable if just clone the system to SSD, it need some more settings.
AOMEI Partition Assistant has the "migration OS to SSD" feature, you can migrate the OS to SSD without reinstalling. You can see this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=usWzJP05Iuk and during the process it could automatically align the partitions.
m
0
l
a b G Storage
January 30, 2013 7:42:53 AM

luckyduckys said:
Sorry could you elaborate on the hidden boot partition?

Quote:
I'm sorry, but I'm pretty sure D is your sdd. 128GB drives do not show up as 128GB in Windows, it will show as less than 120GB, which matches D. Also, please fix the url. What you might have to do is shrink C so that it will fit on D so you can clone C to D after you back them both up.


Trust me, the C: is my SSD, just look at the used space on the D: drive theres only ~127 megs on there


Looks like your SSD is partitioned as a Logical partition when it should be Primary, you shouldn't install the OS in a Logical partition, so that may be at least half of the problem, so you have to convert it to Primary before you can solve the problem.

The Minitool partition wizard may be able to convert the partition without data loss but I'm not sure of that, so use this AOMEI Partition Assisant Home Edition (free) to do it with, this Partition Manager is advertised as capable of converting partitions without data loss.

AOMEI Partition Assisant Home Edition (free)
http://www.***/free-partition-software.html
http://www.download.cnet.com/Aomei-Partition-Assistant-...

As for the second half of the problem; In the screenshot the HDD first partition shows as "Active & Boot & System", this means this partition is what makes the OS boot, remove the hard drive with the Active Partition and Windows obviously won't boot. What you need to do is Convert the SSD to Primary partition and make it Active (you can have one active partition per each Hard Drive... (in your case per each Hard or Solid State Drive)... that should be enough to make the SSD boot if infact you have the OS installed in it. Click the link to read info about this.

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/does-active-partition-...
m
0
l
a c 371 G Storage
January 30, 2013 11:18:16 AM

Also, when installing windows, be sure only the drive you want the OS on is attached to the system, otherwise windows will try to put the boot partition on a different drive, as you just found out. Having only one drive attached forces windows to put the OS and boot loader on the same drive. Attach the remaining drives after the OS is installed.
m
0
l
January 30, 2013 4:46:22 PM

Chicano said:
Looks like your SSD is partitioned as a Logical partition when it should be Primary, you shouldn't install the OS in a Logical partition, so that may be at least half of the problem, so you have to convert it to Primary before you can solve the problem.

The Minitool partition wizard may be able to convert the partition without data loss but I'm not sure of that, so use this AOMEI Partition Assisant Home Edition (free) to do it with, this Partition Manager is advertised as capable of converting partitions without data loss.

AOMEI Partition Assisant Home Edition (free)
http://www.***/free-partition-software.html
http://www.download.cnet.com/Aomei-Partition-Assistant-...

As for the second half of the problem; In the screenshot the HDD first partition shows as "Active & Boot & System", this means this partition is what makes the OS boot, remove the hard drive with the Active Partition and Windows obviously won't boot. What you need to do is Convert the SSD to Primary partition and make it Active (you can have one active partition per each Hard Drive... (in your case per each Hard or Solid State Drive)... that should be enough to make the SSD boot if infact you have the OS installed in it. Click the link to read info about this.

http://www.pcreview.co.uk/forums/does-active-partition-...


My SSD already IS my primary and active partition with the OS on it. The screenshot looks confusing, as it rightfully is, but for some reason my HDD is split into disk 0 and lumped in with my SSD under disk 1. The C: drive under disk 1 is in fact my SSD.

I actually just formatted and wiped my HDD and deleted the partitions so they are blank. Despite this, my PC remains unbootable as long as I unplug it. I have a new SS showing the recent changes I made. Disregard Disk 2 as I just slipped in a HDD to back everything up and its gone now http://postimage.org/image/akyk531yj/

I still suspect the problem is the fact that my HDD is for some reason lumped into disk1 with my SSD which is causing the MBR to require both drives present, and I cannot for the life me figure out how to separate them.
m
0
l
a b G Storage
January 30, 2013 6:22:23 PM

luckyduckys said:
My SSD already IS my primary and active partition with the OS on it. The screenshot looks confusing, as it rightfully is, but for some reason my HDD is split into disk 0 and lumped in with my SSD under disk 1. The C: drive under disk 1 is in fact my SSD.

I actually just formatted and wiped my HDD and deleted the partitions so they are blank. Despite this, my PC remains unbootable as long as I unplug it. I have a new SS showing the recent changes I made. Disregard Disk 2 as I just slipped in a HDD to back everything up and its gone now http://postimage.org/image/akyk531yj/

I still suspect the problem is the fact that my HDD is for some reason lumped into disk1 with my SSD which is causing the MBR to require both drives present, and I cannot for the life me figure out how to separate them.


The only way you'e going to make the SSD boot is removing both HDDs but previous to removing them, you may need to edit the boot manager to show Windows 8 as default, active and boot partition. Use EasyBCD to do this or confirm that it's the active, boot and System drive. The video gives a slight idea though there's a better tutorial around, I can't seem to find it, but the application is easy to use as the name implies so you shouldn't have a problem understanding it.

Windows Boot Entry Manager - EasyBCD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdjNfXZjRxs

EasyBCD download.
http://neosmart.net/EasyBCD/

If this also fails, the next option is to use an external source for example the Hiren's Boot CD and use one of the included applications to edit the Boot manager and confirm/make the SSD Active & Boot.
m
0
l
!