AMD Phenom II X4 970 BE vs Intel Core i5 760

Hello, and welcome to THG.

For gaming, the i5, but if you are on a budget, the Phenom.

To overclock, you don't need a program to do it. All one needs to do is enter the BIOS and change the configurations. You can get hep in the 'Overclocking section' of the Forum.

Comparison http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/186?vs=191
May I point out if you are building maybe to consider Sandy Bridge I5 2500K

Not now. Wait until SB LGA 2011 or Bulldozer. I would not get SB 1155 right now. Too soon.

I'm probably building it next month. But the i5 and phenom that i listed cost the same, don't they? And bulldozer is amd hex-core, right? But it will cost too much.

No Bulldozer is the new miroarchitecture that is not released yet. You are thinking of the Phenom II 1090t CPU. I am thinking of a future release chip by AMD called Zambezi.

Intel has just release the first part of their new microarchitecture: Sandy Bridge.

This will be more or less my gaming rig in a month or two:

CPU: Intel Core i5 760

Motherboard: ASUS P7P55-M

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB

RAM: 8GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 CL9

HDD: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 32MB Cache, SATA2

Power supply: 550W LC-Power LC6550 V2.2

The box/Chassis: Xigmatek Asgard

No extra fans

Os: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.




You guys have any suggestions? Maybe dropping to 4 gb of ram and getting a better chassis/box? Is more power necessary? And I can only choose between 4gb or 8 gb of ram because the site im ordering from has only that option. And im looking to be below 800 euros. This configuration now is 797 euros ;D

But I bet the Sandy Bridge costs quite a lot, doesnt it? My rig supposed to be under 800 euros. ;]

Yes. Intel CPU's are expensive as of now. Market might change that though!

BTW, you are asking in the wrong section for a computer build. To get the best help, go to the "home build' section of the Forum.

You're right, I'm sorry ;]

An i5 2500K build costs roughly the same as the i5 760 build you are considering and completly destroys it. It will also overclock to 5ghz on air. Nothing else even is close to Sandy Bridge. Sandy uses the same dual channel memory and motherboards are roughly the same price as LGA1156.

Stock speed benchmark comparison.



http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/191?vs=288

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$204.99 for a i5 760

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$209.99 for a i5 2500 (the 2500K is $224.99)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$139.99 for a P8P97 LE. Most decent P55 mobos cost about $130 ofr standard ATX size, not the smaller ones.

Overall the Sandy Bridge one isn't that much more. I would say maybe $50 bucks and overall it will perform better than the i5 760 setup.

LGA1156 is coming to an end! LGA1155 is what is taking over which means it has a upgrade path. Only reason to get a LGA1156 system over LGA1155 today would be substantial price difference that we don't see yet.

So youre saying I should get the i5 2000k? Or wait for the bulldozer? What I want is the processor to be a similar price but better performance and the motherboard would be compatible with future upgrades. Is that gonna be possible?

Wit for the LGA 2011 Sandy bridge CPU's and Bulldozer to come out. THEN, make an assessment on what you want.

its all about your budget, the phenom is alot cheaper and if you get the BE its far better and easier to overclock. but intel do the best cpu's pretty much all round which unfortunately comes at a price.

on a side note don't use programs to overclock, use bios its simple enough and most OC'ing apps are terrible , AMD overdrive crashes my computer instantly if i try to use it to overclock.

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OK, well I just looked at the site I'm ordering from and they have 3 new CPUs.

Intel Core i5-2400

Intel Core i5-2500

Intel Core i5-2500K


So as I understand, the i5-2500K is the best one, right? I also chose NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB to go with it. As I understand, thats the best GPU in that price range, right? But I'm not sure which motherboard to pick.

Gigabyte GA-H67M-UD2H

ASUS P8P67-M

Any suggestions?

Go for the p67 motherboard as getting a K series CPU and a h67 motherboard for it that won't allow CPU overclocking is absolute foolhardy.

Ok, got it. Thanks for the help ;]

If you're really into gaming (and your budget allows it) get a card a little stronger than the 5770. The 6 series cards are out and are very well priced. Go for at least a 6850 IMO. Oh, and the 6950s can be flashed into a 6970 (saving your ~$60) so that is something to consider as well, of course depending on your budget.

Oh, and LC-Power (from what I read) is a generic PSU brand. Don't skimp on your power supply! (wattage isn't everything, look for high 80%+ efficiency)

I'm getting the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB. The result in benchmarks is better than the 5770. If you know a card that is of very similar price and better performance, then please tell me ;]
And I'm kind of a noob when it comes to PSU. I honestly dont know what PSU to get. If it helps I can write here the rig that im buying (I changed it a bit) so you can recommend me one ;] Thanks for all your help guys  

many people will reccomend corsair psu's, i randomly bought my psu in a shop back when i knew little about pc's i got lucky though as it turned out to be a thermaltake tr2 550w which is a fairly decent psu : D

for what your getting you wont need a massive wattage psu. 600 - 700w should be more than enough.

i run a phenom II 970 BE and a 9800gt on my 550w and i could probably get away with a more powerful gpu

Ok thanks ;]

I'm a fan of Antec power supplies personally, have yet to have one fail on me and the Earthwatts series run dead silent compared to any other PSU i've owned.

...which one  

Better state your budget and where are you buying from.

My budget is 800 max and I live in Luxembourg so im buying from mifcom.de

AMD FTW, if you go intel im gonna hunt you down!!!!! ;D;D;D

no seriously intel is better than AMD right now, so i really suggest you go the intel way.

2500K + p8p67 pro = atleast 4.6ghz and that is killer fast.

You need the operating system too? Monitor? Here's one with the OS and no monitor.

CPU (Prozessor): AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE, 4x 3.2GHz
Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3, AMD 870 (USB3.0/SATA3, NEU!)
Grafikkarte: AMD Radeon HD 6850 1024MB - Sapphire
Arbeitsspeicher: 4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 CL9
SSD: Nein
2. SSD: Nein
Festplatte: 500GB Samsung Spinpoint F3 16MB Cache, SATA2
2 Festplatte: Nein
Laufwerk: Nein
2 Laufwerk: Nein
Netzteil: 550W BeQuiet! System Power
Gehäuse: Coolermaster CM Storm Scout
Kartenleser: Nein
TV Karte: Nein
Soundkarte: HD-Audio Onboard
Wireless LAN: Nein
Gaming Netzwerkkarte: Nein
Videoschnittkarte: Nein
Weitere PCI-Karten: Nein
HDD Wechselrahmen: Nein
CPU-Kühler: Orig. Box-Kühler
Silent-Gehäuselüfter: Nein
Lüftersteuerung: Nein / Im Gehäuse integriert (falls vorhanden)
Festplattendämmung: Nein
Betriebssystem: Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 Bit, DE (inkl. Installation!)
Antivirus, Firewall, Security: Nein
Office: Nein
Tastatur / Desktop: Nein
Maus: Nein
Monitor: Nein
Service: Servicepaket Standard

799,00 €

http://www.mifcom.de/product/429/56/pc-konfigurator/pc-...

LE forgot the DVD-RW, add one and get a cheaper case.

I dont need the OS and no monitor. But your build kinda sucks. This is what im thinking of right now:

CPU (Prozessor): Intel Core i5-2400, 4x 3.10GHz
Mainboard: ASUS P8P67-M, Intel P67
Grafikkarte: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1024MB
Arbeitsspeicher: 4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 CL9
Festplatte: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 32MB Cache, SATA2
Gehäuse: Antec Three Hundred

Thats what im thinking. Its a little bit over the limit, but sooooo much better than what you suggested. And i think im buying a PSU from amazon. But thanks for the effort anyway ;] And I know that you included the OS so you couldve added 100 euros.

Get the 2500k or even the 2600k. I prefer the 2500k because it is 100 USD cheaper and it can OC to the same level.

I broke my crystal ball so I didn't know you don't need the OS or that you can increase the budget if you're getting one.

CPU (Prozessor): AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE, 4x 3.2GHz
Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3, AMD 870 (USB3.0/SATA3, NEU!)
Grafikkarte: AMD Radeon HD 6950 2048MB (BRANDNEU!)
Arbeitsspeicher: 4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 CL9
Netzteil: 550W BeQuiet! System Power
Gehäuse: Antec Three Hundred

796,00 €

It wipes the floor with your Intel.

Even my first gen i5 build can easily wiped out any high end AMD setups (especially when OCed) in most cases.

The video card runs the games not the CPU.

Jeez. No GTX 460 with 4 Intel CPUs not just one, all overclocked at 5GHz. will beat in gaming a Phenom II X4 with a HD 6950.

I wish I could get it but its a bit over my budget ;[

So I should still go for the i5-2400 with GTX 460, instead of the Phenom II X4 with a HD 6950?

HD6950 will be bottle necked by PII-955. In addition, get i5-760 instead if you can't afford a "K" series Sandy Bridge as 760 OCed to at least 3.6GHz should perform better than 2400.

GTX560 will be released soon, so you may also consider i5-760+GTX560.

PII-955+HD6950 cost more than 760+GTX460. Sigh!

Listen andy5174, you should really learn some stuff about hardware before giving advices in here.

@rapolitas, if it's mainly for GAMING get a HD 6950 and whatever quad you want or can afford. Anything from the I7 980X to the Athlon II X4. Unless you have a small monitor and game at low resolutions and settings.

@mosox:

You really should stop showing off your ignorance and fanboism.

Comparing an expensive 6950 with cheap GTX460 is a fail. Just leave! We don't need a noob's advice.


I can also tell you PII-1100T+HD5650 will never beat an i3+GTX460 in gaming.

By the way, your grammar sucks. You should improve your English before even speaking.

Just can't tolerate a noob who would compare a Ferrari with a Honda without considering about the price difference.

Double post.

No.

If you wish to go with Intel, you need to top this:



The reference HD6950 2GB has a dual BIOS, and enthusiasts are using it to raise the card to HD6870-like levels. Despite all the huffing and puffing in this thread, the PhII 955BE/HD6950 is the way to move forward if your focus is a gaming rig.




Please stop embarrassing yourself. An HD6950 'Power-tuned' to HD6970-like levels will slobber-knock any Intel processor with a GTX 460 in gaming.


edit: Here is an example from Anand ...




What resolution and games do you play?

Do you have any kind of logic? Stop comparing high end cards with mid-range card!



Are AMD fanboys' IQ really that low so that I need to add " given that gfx are the same " to the end of my sentence?

Why don't you also say that 980X is worse than PII-955 because 980X+HD5650 is worse than PII-955+GTX470?

What more ridiculous ideas can you AMD fanboys come up with?

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I really appreciate your help, man. My budget is about 800 euros. I'm starting completely from scratch. And dont include the OS in the budget. I'm gonna be playing all kinds of games: FPS, Race, RPG, RTS etc. And I'm basically gonna game, browse the net, watch movies, chat, etc. No video rendering or photoshop or anything. So basically your're offering the HD 6950, right? If possible, I will try to get intel CPU with this GPU. If its out of my price range, I'll have to go with the AMD and the same GPU. That's how I should do it, right?

And guys, please dont fight ;] Everyone has a right to have an opinion, even though some are a bit foolish.  

Hey, it's whatever floats your boat! Listen, it is for what you NEED, not what you WANT. If you don't have a lot of cash, go AMD. If you have a hole in the back of your pocket, Intel.

Well I just did the comparison, and the rig with intel i5-2400 is 876,00 € and the rig with AMD Phenom II X4 970 BE is 838,00 €. Both rigs are with the HD 6950. Is it worth it to sacrifice a bit more money to get the intel. Like, will it be better in the future, etc? Or is there really no real-life difference?