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AMD Phenom II X4 970 BE vs Intel Core i5 760

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January 16, 2011 7:17:05 PM

Hi guys. I've been looking info about this for ages. Which one is better FOR GAMING? I'm mainly going to be gaming and browsing internet and stuff. No video encoding or photoshop design or anything. And I read that if you're not gonna overclock the intel i5, then the amd chip is a better buy because it's cheaper. I have no problem with overclocking as long as there's a simple app to help me do it. I will install fans to keep it cool. The price of them is almost the same. So, which is better???

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January 16, 2011 7:20:47 PM

Hello, and welcome to THG.

For gaming, the i5, but if you are on a budget, the Phenom.

To overclock, you don't need a program to do it. All one needs to do is enter the BIOS and change the configurations. You can get hep in the 'Overclocking section' of the Forum.
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January 16, 2011 7:27:36 PM

Not now. Wait until SB LGA 2011 or Bulldozer. I would not get SB 1155 right now. Too soon.
January 16, 2011 7:34:55 PM

I'm probably building it next month. But the i5 and phenom that i listed cost the same, don't they? And bulldozer is amd hex-core, right? But it will cost too much.
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January 16, 2011 7:37:59 PM

No Bulldozer is the new miroarchitecture that is not released yet. You are thinking of the Phenom II 1090t CPU. I am thinking of a future release chip by AMD called Zambezi.

Intel has just release the first part of their new microarchitecture: Sandy Bridge.
January 16, 2011 7:44:03 PM

This will be more or less my gaming rig in a month or two:

CPU: Intel Core i5 760

Motherboard: ASUS P7P55-M

GPU: ATI Radeon HD 5770 1024MB

RAM: 8GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 CL9

HDD: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 32MB Cache, SATA2

Power supply: 550W LC-Power LC6550 V2.2

The box/Chassis: Xigmatek Asgard

No extra fans

Os: Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit.




You guys have any suggestions? Maybe dropping to 4 gb of ram and getting a better chassis/box? Is more power necessary? And I can only choose between 4gb or 8 gb of ram because the site im ordering from has only that option. And im looking to be below 800 euros. This configuration now is 797 euros ;D
January 16, 2011 7:45:29 PM

But I bet the Sandy Bridge costs quite a lot, doesnt it? My rig supposed to be under 800 euros. ;]
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January 16, 2011 7:48:00 PM

Yes. Intel CPU's are expensive as of now. Market might change that though!

BTW, you are asking in the wrong section for a computer build. To get the best help, go to the "home build' section of the Forum.
January 16, 2011 7:56:08 PM

You're right, I'm sorry ;]
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January 16, 2011 8:12:24 PM

An i5 2500K build costs roughly the same as the i5 760 build you are considering and completly destroys it. It will also overclock to 5ghz on air. Nothing else even is close to Sandy Bridge. Sandy uses the same dual channel memory and motherboards are roughly the same price as LGA1156.

Stock speed benchmark comparison.



http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/191?vs=288
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January 16, 2011 8:24:31 PM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$204.99 for a i5 760

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$209.99 for a i5 2500 (the 2500K is $224.99)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$139.99 for a P8P97 LE. Most decent P55 mobos cost about $130 ofr standard ATX size, not the smaller ones.

Overall the Sandy Bridge one isn't that much more. I would say maybe $50 bucks and overall it will perform better than the i5 760 setup.
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January 16, 2011 8:54:12 PM

LGA1156 is coming to an end! LGA1155 is what is taking over which means it has a upgrade path. Only reason to get a LGA1156 system over LGA1155 today would be substantial price difference that we don't see yet.
January 17, 2011 2:03:05 PM

So youre saying I should get the i5 2000k? Or wait for the bulldozer? What I want is the processor to be a similar price but better performance and the motherboard would be compatible with future upgrades. Is that gonna be possible?
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January 17, 2011 4:41:24 PM

Wit for the LGA 2011 Sandy bridge CPU's and Bulldozer to come out. THEN, make an assessment on what you want.
January 17, 2011 4:46:19 PM

its all about your budget, the phenom is alot cheaper and if you get the BE its far better and easier to overclock. but intel do the best cpu's pretty much all round which unfortunately comes at a price.

on a side note don't use programs to overclock, use bios its simple enough and most OC'ing apps are terrible , AMD overdrive crashes my computer instantly if i try to use it to overclock.
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January 17, 2011 4:47:17 PM

^ :D 
January 18, 2011 2:38:04 PM

OK, well I just looked at the site I'm ordering from and they have 3 new CPUs.

Intel Core i5-2400

Intel Core i5-2500

Intel Core i5-2500K


So as I understand, the i5-2500K is the best one, right? I also chose NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB to go with it. As I understand, thats the best GPU in that price range, right? But I'm not sure which motherboard to pick.

Gigabyte GA-H67M-UD2H

ASUS P8P67-M

Any suggestions?
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January 18, 2011 3:00:37 PM

Go for the p67 motherboard as getting a K series CPU and a h67 motherboard for it that won't allow CPU overclocking is absolute foolhardy.
January 19, 2011 4:44:44 AM

Ok, got it. Thanks for the help ;]
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January 19, 2011 7:15:08 AM

If you're really into gaming (and your budget allows it) get a card a little stronger than the 5770. The 6 series cards are out and are very well priced. Go for at least a 6850 IMO. Oh, and the 6950s can be flashed into a 6970 (saving your ~$60) so that is something to consider as well, of course depending on your budget.

Oh, and LC-Power (from what I read) is a generic PSU brand. Don't skimp on your power supply! (wattage isn't everything, look for high 80%+ efficiency)
January 19, 2011 12:14:10 PM

I'm getting the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB. The result in benchmarks is better than the 5770. If you know a card that is of very similar price and better performance, then please tell me ;]
And I'm kind of a noob when it comes to PSU. I honestly dont know what PSU to get. If it helps I can write here the rig that im buying (I changed it a bit) so you can recommend me one ;] Thanks for all your help guys ;) 
January 19, 2011 1:38:25 PM

many people will reccomend corsair psu's, i randomly bought my psu in a shop back when i knew little about pc's i got lucky though as it turned out to be a thermaltake tr2 550w which is a fairly decent psu : D

for what your getting you wont need a massive wattage psu. 600 - 700w should be more than enough.

i run a phenom II 970 BE and a 9800gt on my 550w and i could probably get away with a more powerful gpu
January 19, 2011 2:28:38 PM

Ok thanks ;]
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January 19, 2011 5:43:55 PM

I'm a fan of Antec power supplies personally, have yet to have one fail on me and the Earthwatts series run dead silent compared to any other PSU i've owned.
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January 21, 2011 8:12:41 PM

...which one :D 
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January 21, 2011 8:34:34 PM

rapolitas said:
I'm getting the NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 768MB. The result in benchmarks is better than the 5770. If you know a card that is of very similar price and better performance, then please tell me ;]
And I'm kind of a noob when it comes to PSU. I honestly dont know what PSU to get. If it helps I can write here the rig that im buying (I changed it a bit) so you can recommend me one ;] Thanks for all your help guys ;) 


Better state your budget and where are you buying from.
January 21, 2011 8:50:57 PM

My budget is 800 max and I live in Luxembourg so im buying from mifcom.de
January 21, 2011 8:52:46 PM

AMD FTW, if you go intel im gonna hunt you down!!!!! ;D;D;D

no seriously intel is better than AMD right now, so i really suggest you go the intel way.

2500K + p8p67 pro = atleast 4.6ghz and that is killer fast.
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January 21, 2011 9:50:16 PM

You need the operating system too? Monitor? Here's one with the OS and no monitor.

CPU (Prozessor): AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE, 4x 3.2GHz
Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3, AMD 870 (USB3.0/SATA3, NEU!)
Grafikkarte: AMD Radeon HD 6850 1024MB - Sapphire
Arbeitsspeicher: 4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 CL9
SSD: Nein
2. SSD: Nein
Festplatte: 500GB Samsung Spinpoint F3 16MB Cache, SATA2
2 Festplatte: Nein
Laufwerk: Nein
2 Laufwerk: Nein
Netzteil: 550W BeQuiet! System Power
Gehäuse: Coolermaster CM Storm Scout
Kartenleser: Nein
TV Karte: Nein
Soundkarte: HD-Audio Onboard
Wireless LAN: Nein
Gaming Netzwerkkarte: Nein
Videoschnittkarte: Nein
Weitere PCI-Karten: Nein
HDD Wechselrahmen: Nein
CPU-Kühler: Orig. Box-Kühler
Silent-Gehäuselüfter: Nein
Lüftersteuerung: Nein / Im Gehäuse integriert (falls vorhanden)
Festplattendämmung: Nein
Betriebssystem: Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 Bit, DE (inkl. Installation!)
Antivirus, Firewall, Security: Nein
Office: Nein
Tastatur / Desktop: Nein
Maus: Nein
Monitor: Nein
Service: Servicepaket Standard

799,00 €

http://www.mifcom.de/product/429/56/pc-konfigurator/pc-...

LE forgot the DVD-RW, add one and get a cheaper case.
January 21, 2011 10:00:07 PM

I dont need the OS and no monitor. But your build kinda sucks. This is what im thinking of right now:

CPU (Prozessor): Intel Core i5-2400, 4x 3.10GHz
Mainboard: ASUS P8P67-M, Intel P67
Grafikkarte: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1024MB
Arbeitsspeicher: 4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 CL9
Festplatte: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 32MB Cache, SATA2
Gehäuse: Antec Three Hundred

Thats what im thinking. Its a little bit over the limit, but sooooo much better than what you suggested. And i think im buying a PSU from amazon. But thanks for the effort anyway ;] And I know that you included the OS so you couldve added 100 euros.
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January 21, 2011 10:13:48 PM

Get the 2500k or even the 2600k. I prefer the 2500k because it is 100 USD cheaper and it can OC to the same level.
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January 22, 2011 8:09:36 AM

rapolitas said:
I dont need the OS and no monitor. But your build kinda sucks. This is what im thinking of right now:

CPU (Prozessor): Intel Core i5-2400, 4x 3.10GHz
Mainboard: ASUS P8P67-M, Intel P67
Grafikkarte: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 460 1024MB
Arbeitsspeicher: 4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 CL9
Festplatte: 1TB Samsung Spinpoint F3 32MB Cache, SATA2
Gehäuse: Antec Three Hundred

Thats what im thinking. Its a little bit over the limit, but sooooo much better than what you suggested. And i think im buying a PSU from amazon. But thanks for the effort anyway ;] And I know that you included the OS so you couldve added 100 euros.


I broke my crystal ball so I didn't know you don't need the OS or that you can increase the budget if you're getting one.

CPU (Prozessor): AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE, 4x 3.2GHz
Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3, AMD 870 (USB3.0/SATA3, NEU!)
Grafikkarte: AMD Radeon HD 6950 2048MB (BRANDNEU!)
Arbeitsspeicher: 4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 CL9
Netzteil: 550W BeQuiet! System Power
Gehäuse: Antec Three Hundred

796,00 €

It wipes the floor with your Intel.
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January 22, 2011 8:32:59 AM

Even my first gen i5 build can easily wiped out any high end AMD setups (especially when OCed) in most cases.
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January 22, 2011 8:52:08 AM

The video card runs the games not the CPU.

Jeez. No GTX 460 with 4 Intel CPUs not just one, all overclocked at 5GHz. will beat in gaming a Phenom II X4 with a HD 6950.

January 22, 2011 9:09:05 AM

dogman_1234 said:
Get the 2500k or even the 2600k. I prefer the 2500k because it is 100 USD cheaper and it can OC to the same level.


I wish I could get it but its a bit over my budget ;[
January 22, 2011 9:10:35 AM

mosox said:
The video card runs the games not the CPU.

Jeez. No GTX 460 with 4 Intel CPUs not just one, all overclocked at 5GHz. will beat in gaming a Phenom II X4 with a HD 6950.


So I should still go for the i5-2400 with GTX 460, instead of the Phenom II X4 with a HD 6950?
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January 22, 2011 9:20:03 AM

HD6950 will be bottle necked by PII-955. In addition, get i5-760 instead if you can't afford a "K" series Sandy Bridge as 760 OCed to at least 3.6GHz should perform better than 2400.

GTX560 will be released soon, so you may also consider i5-760+GTX560.
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January 22, 2011 9:29:01 AM

mosox said:
The video card runs the games not the CPU.

Jeez. No GTX 460 with 4 Intel CPUs not just one, all overclocked at 5GHz. will beat in gaming a Phenom II X4 with a HD 6950.

PII-955+HD6950 cost more than 760+GTX460. Sigh!
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January 22, 2011 11:54:07 AM

Listen andy5174, you should really learn some stuff about hardware before giving advices in here.

@rapolitas, if it's mainly for GAMING get a HD 6950 and whatever quad you want or can afford. Anything from the I7 980X to the Athlon II X4. Unless you have a small monitor and game at low resolutions and settings.
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January 22, 2011 12:07:09 PM

@mosox:

You really should stop showing off your ignorance and fanboism.

Comparing an expensive 6950 with cheap GTX460 is a fail. Just leave! We don't need a noob's advice.

mosox said:
The video card runs the games not the CPU.

Jeez. No GTX 460 with 4 Intel CPUs not just one, all overclocked at 5GHz. will beat in gaming a Phenom II X4 with a HD 6950.

I can also tell you PII-1100T+HD5650 will never beat an i3+GTX460 in gaming.

By the way, your grammar sucks. You should improve your English before even speaking.
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January 22, 2011 12:18:40 PM

Just can't tolerate a noob who would compare a Ferrari with a Honda without considering about the price difference.
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January 22, 2011 12:22:35 PM

Double post.
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January 22, 2011 12:49:02 PM

rapolitas said:
So I should still go for the i5-2400 with GTX 460, instead of the Phenom II X4 with a HD 6950?


No.

If you wish to go with Intel, you need to top this:

Quote:

CPU (Prozessor): AMD Phenom II X4 955 BE, 4x 3.2GHz
Mainboard: Gigabyte GA-870A-UD3, AMD 870 (USB3.0/SATA3, NEU!)
Grafikkarte: AMD Radeon HD 6950 2048MB (BRANDNEU!)
Arbeitsspeicher: 4GB Corsair XMS3 DDR3-1600 CL9
Netzteil: 550W BeQuiet! System Power
Gehäuse: Antec Three Hundred


The reference HD6950 2GB has a dual BIOS, and enthusiasts are using it to raise the card to HD6870-like levels. Despite all the huffing and puffing in this thread, the PhII 955BE/HD6950 is the way to move forward if your focus is a gaming rig.


Quote:
Even my first gen i5 build can easily wiped out any high end AMD setups (especially when OCed) in most cases.


Please stop embarrassing yourself. An HD6950 'Power-tuned' to HD6970-like levels will slobber-knock any Intel processor with a GTX 460 in gaming.


edit: Here is an example from Anand ...




What resolution and games do you play?
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January 22, 2011 1:09:50 PM

Wisecracker said:
Quote:
Even my first gen i5 build can easily wiped out any high end AMD setups (especially when OCed) in most cases.


Please stop embarrassing yourself. An HD6950 'Power-tuned' to HD6970-like levels will slobber-knock any Intel processor with a GTX 460 in gaming.


edit: Here is an example from Anand ...

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/graph4061/34627.png

Do you have any kind of logic? Stop comparing high end cards with mid-range card!

Quote:
Even my first gen i5 build can easily wiped out any high end AMD setups (especially when OCed) in most cases given that gfx are the same.


Are AMD fanboys' IQ really that low so that I need to add " given that gfx are the same " to the end of my sentence?

Why don't you also say that 980X is worse than PII-955 because 980X+HD5650 is worse than PII-955+GTX470?

What more ridiculous ideas can you AMD fanboys come up with?
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January 22, 2011 1:17:13 PM

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January 22, 2011 4:32:31 PM

Quote:
OK OK.
allow me to put some closure on this before we get carried away.
two things - do you have any hardware now or are you starting this project from scratch.?
and if asked earlier then my apologies but what exactly is your total budget.?

in a nutshell the i5-760 or better the i5-2600k will smash the AMD offerings including the 1100T.
so Intel is the better chip.
now that should answer that question.

now AMD has Intel beat on amount of offerings and it's lower price ranges, (lower price ranges, I emphasize lower..)
so if you have over $150 to dedicate JUST TOWARDS THE CPU then go Intel.
I mean if it's in your budget total including a real gaming gfx card.

if the costs of the total project is out of budget then we go AMD..


I really appreciate your help, man. My budget is about 800 euros. I'm starting completely from scratch. And dont include the OS in the budget. I'm gonna be playing all kinds of games: FPS, Race, RPG, RTS etc. And I'm basically gonna game, browse the net, watch movies, chat, etc. No video rendering or photoshop or anything. So basically your're offering the HD 6950, right? If possible, I will try to get intel CPU with this GPU. If its out of my price range, I'll have to go with the AMD and the same GPU. That's how I should do it, right?
January 22, 2011 4:33:22 PM

And guys, please dont fight ;] Everyone has a right to have an opinion, even though some are a bit foolish. ;) 
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January 22, 2011 4:42:31 PM

rapolitas said:
I really appreciate your help, man. My budget is about 800 euros. I'm starting completely from scratch. And dont include the OS in the budget. I'm gonna be playing all kinds of games: FPS, Race, RPG, RTS etc. And I'm basically gonna game, browse the net, watch movies, chat, etc. No video rendering or photoshop or anything. So basically your're offering the HD 6950, right? If possible, I will try to get intel CPU with this GPU. If its out of my price range, I'll have to go with the AMD and the same GPU. That's how I should do it, right?


Hey, it's whatever floats your boat! Listen, it is for what you NEED, not what you WANT. If you don't have a lot of cash, go AMD. If you have a hole in the back of your pocket, Intel.
January 22, 2011 4:52:53 PM

Well I just did the comparison, and the rig with intel i5-2400 is 876,00 € and the rig with AMD Phenom II X4 970 BE is 838,00 €. Both rigs are with the HD 6950. Is it worth it to sacrifice a bit more money to get the intel. Like, will it be better in the future, etc? Or is there really no real-life difference?
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