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January 16, 2011 11:15:46 PM

Hello everyone!! I am getting ready to build my own pc and was hoping to get some input from the more experiences PC builders. I am basically building a pc for Everquest 2 strictly, and my budget is around $2000. I have never built my own pc before but I have a brother that has and he will be helping me.

I've picked out the parts that I've thought are best for this project, and if you have any better suggestions please let me know!!

The Processor will be oc'd to around 4.7.. Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz (3.8GHz Turbo Boost) 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1155 95W $ 329

Motherboard is ... ASUS P8P67 WS Revolution LGA 1155 Intel P67 / NVIDIA NF200 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard $ 270

Graphics... GIGABYTE GV-N580D5-15I-B GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB 384-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI $510

Hard drives x2.. Western Digital Caviar Black WD6402AAEX 640GB 7200 RPM 64MB Cache SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" $140

Raid.. Rosewill RC-211 Silicon Image 2 port SATA II PCI Express Host Controller Card(RAID 0/1/JBOD) $30

Ram.. Kingston HyperX 8GB (4 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) $160

Power...Rosewill BRONZE Series RBR1000-M 1000W Continuous@40°C, 80Plus Bronze Certified,Modular Cable Design,Active PFC Compatible $ 130

Sound..SIIG IC-710012-S2 7.1 Channels PCI Interface SoundWave
$35

DVD Rom.. LG Black Blu-ray Disc Combo SATA Model UH10LS20 LightScribe Support - OEM $ 77

Case..Antec Lanboy air Red Black / Red Computer Modular Case
$ 180
Total: $1861

Like I said I am new to this so if I am missing anything or you guys have better suggestions where I could save some money by replacing something please let me know. I know for sure I want the i7 2600k and the GTX 580 because I am planning on getting a 3d monitor soon as well to watch movies. I am also going to be taking out my Tv Tuner out of my old PC and putting it in the new one. What type of cooling should I get?? Please help!!! Thanks everyone..

P.S. Monitor, key and mice and speakers I have.
January 17, 2011 12:42:14 AM

wow people still play eq 2 ? :o 

anyway 2 x gtx 470's in sli are said to outperform a single gtx 580 and will come in at around the same price as far as i know the 470's also support 3d and dx 11.

my first question would be do you plan on building this yourself ? if so have you built one before. jsut with you saying your a newb i'd hate to see you accidently fry all those parts due to improper installation ( i ruined the first cpu i fitted because i rushed into fitting it :(  )
January 17, 2011 2:21:10 AM

Yes its my first build.. I've been installing car audio, home audio, satellites for 6 years, so Im hoping I can learn how to do this..I know one things for sure, Im not gonna start building untill im 100% for sure Im doing it the right way. Yea i was thinking about doing the sli, but sadly eq2 doesnt support sli nor do they support quad cpu they only support duo's but i figured its best to get the i7 2600k and overclock it to anywhere from 4.2 to 4.7, that way Ill be ok for the future as well. The gtx580 outdoes the 470 in single though right? And also a question for you..I looked at my mobo and i noticed and it has a built in raid..so theres no point in me buying a seperate raid correct? And a few more things lol...the parts I posted up there..are they all compatible with the mobo? am I gonna need a cpu fan when i overclock even though the tower has 5 120 mm fans and im planning on adding 2 more up top..thanks for your help!!

p.s. i can post the links to all the parts if needed.
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January 17, 2011 2:42:51 AM

Doesn't sound like you are missing anything. And this rig will be overkill for everquest 2... It like driving a Ferrari 20 miles and hour in a school zone. But your setup sounds good for Crysis and Bad Company 2... You can max the settings on Everquest with a Pentium 4 and an old FX5500, LOL :D 
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January 17, 2011 2:48:01 AM

And for your first build... I can give you these tips! Do not rush anything. Always stay calm, even if something doesn't work right the first time. Read the manual carefully, and keep another PC online to ask questions here if something has you stuck. Rushing or not asking the proper question while building can be a game killer. You can fry something, or mess up the plugs on stuff.

Building PCs is not really that difficult, but cleanly laying out all the wiring, cooling and so on is an art form. Route all your cables carefully and tie off anything you don't need. Be extra careful when handling the CPU, don't touch the contacts or anything with bare fingers. And lastly, make sure the CPU cooler is firmly mounted and flush.

And everything else is simple enough, if you have ever upgraded a PC before, then plugging in hard drives and stuff shouldn't be a chore. Just always keep the cable management in mind, not only does it make the build look better, but it increases efficient cooling too! :kaola: 
January 17, 2011 5:15:56 PM

as ohio says be calm and read up when building it. i learnt pretty much all i know about pc's and building them through goole and the hands on approach but when i naffed that cpu i learned not to rush it.

also one GTX 580 will out do one 470. but two 470's will beat the 580 and with nvidia control panel you can set game profiles up so you can tell it to not use sli while playing eq2 and its simple to do. and one 470 should be enough for eq2 most mmo's rely more on cpu than gpu as far as i know. also if you like a bit of overkill you can attach 3 monitors to two 470's :p 

as for your raid question. i've never used a raid config myself, ive never really seen the point in it personally just seems a bit overkill. so you will have to ask someone else about that one i'm afraid

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January 17, 2011 6:20:04 PM

PSU, the one Phsyco said or either of these, Corsair has 7yr warranty Seasonic is Gold rated.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I'd save a bit of money on ram with these
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or lower timings
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And I'd get a different case but cases are personal pref so just my opinion, even though the RV02 is awesome.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU cooler Thermalright Venomous X Black with a couple of these or some Enermax Cluster white LED.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
January 17, 2011 8:00:53 PM

Ok, first thing I wanna say is THANKS EVERYBODY for your input..Ok on the PSU, do I not need a 1000w? Will this 850w do for this setup? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And now that someone's said that this is a overkill for eq2 Im having second thoughts on what I should get. I basically just wanna be able to play eq2 on highest settings without any problems. I know i want the lantec air lanboy case and I know I want the i7 2600k so I can overclock it. The other thing is I wanna be able to do is watch 3d movies on this rig. If I can make a setup cheaper but still be able to play eq2 on max and watch 3d movies please give me a setup:D  The other thing Im not sure about is the cpu cooler.. The case has 5 120mm fans and I planned on addng 2 more on the top. Will I need a cpu cooler for the i7 being overclocked? If so, what mobo and what cpu cooler should I get for the i7 2600k cpu. Thanks for all you help guys.. btw my budget is $2000, so If I can make a rig for $1500 and spend the other $500 on a 3d monitor and new key/mice set that would be perfect:D  But if I have to wait on the accesories for a month or so thats fine too. Oooh one thing I forgot to mention is..the rig I have now is a HP m9340f. I wanna take the TV tuner and whatever else I can out of it and put in my new rig to save money on parts. Thanks again everyone!!

P.S. Mobo I was thinking is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... with getting 2 hd's do I need to buy raid?(not familiar with that at all) or does this mobo have that built in it?
January 17, 2011 8:23:20 PM

well if it is solely for eq2 and 3d films and not 3d gaming you could probably build something a bit cheaper. i can't really help with pricing i live in the uk and know sweet feck all about $ i'm afraid.

from my experiences with WoW mmo's can be very picky about what they like and are usually very cpu dependent.

but it's always nice to futureproof your self for a couple of years. as you neve rknow what games you might wan't to play at somepoint and who knows they may make an eq 3
January 17, 2011 9:00:13 PM

Yep, thats why I didnt mind spending 2k on it..I figured Id be good for 2 years hehe.. Im gonna post the links to everything Im getting..If you guys could just tell me if everythings compatible with everything which im almost 100% it is..and also what cpu cooler I need for this setup..and if I need to buy a raid for my hd's. Thanks guys!!!
January 17, 2011 9:11:52 PM

i personally think raid is overkill but there are people out there who will swear by it. i haven't researched it enough to give a definate opinion but not going raid could save you a bit of money to use elsewere.

if you get it right a 2k computer could last you around 4 years. i buit my old machine for about £400-£500 around $800 considering most parts in the uk are dearer. and it's lasted me two years and still gives me good performance in games like bad company 2 ive only just recently started updating it. (got a new cpu, mobo and ram. just need a case, gpu and maybe a new psu now :)  )
if you know how to bargain hunt and get it right and are not bothered about getting 2 billion FPS (the human eye can apprently only see around 30fps but this is widely debated and i can certainly tell the difference between a game at 30fps and a game a 60fps but over 60 i can't notice any difference) you will be fine :) 
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January 17, 2011 9:22:15 PM

The PSU you listed is fine but non modular, cables disrupt airflow but if that doesn't bother you.

850w would be enough power to run your setup and add another card.

If you have no intention of adding a 2nd card then a decent 650w psu would do you.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Don't know about games, don't play em but I would get this mobo as it has a better power design for OC and comes with a front usb box.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Yes I'd rec an aftermarket cooler if you are OC, as before the Ven X Black.

RAID is a function built into the mobo, you need the RAID drivers from the Asus website and need to choose a RAID setup in the bios but you don't need to buy anything additional, always use it myself RAID 0, only downside is if you have a drive failure you lose the data from both drives, you can't just plug a RAID array drive into a sata port and extrat info. My Samsungs have been in RAID for years with no issues.
January 17, 2011 9:28:35 PM

ok well here it is...
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Ram: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
HD: 2x http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
BDVD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Fans: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


There it is!!! With that said, will I need a seperate RAID for the HD's or will that mobo have the RAID built in it? Is everything I posted compatible with everything? The case comes with 5 120mm fans, and Im adding two more 120mm on top of the case. With my cpu being overclocked do I need a cpu cooler even though I have 7 fans? If so, can someone please recommend what cooler I should get that will work with my mobo and my cpu? Thanks :D 
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January 17, 2011 9:35:09 PM

Try reading my post again it answers your questions.
January 17, 2011 9:37:41 PM

as far as i can see that's all compatible, i didn't even know XFX did psu's :p 

don't go overboard on fans having to many can ruin your airflow and cause the adverse affect , if your oc'ing you will need a good cpu fan , if you have money to burn get a coolermaster v8 :)  http://www.scan.co.uk/products/coolermaster-v8-cpu-cool...
they look badass and are one of the best aircoolers you can get and not that expensive ,sorry for the uk site.
someone else will have to answer your raid question.
January 17, 2011 9:37:54 PM

Yes it does, I posted right as you did:)  So the cpu cooler should be this.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and that is compatible with the mobo im getting and the i7 right? And my last question is everything that ive bought is compatible correct? sorry guys like I said Im new to this:( 
January 17, 2011 9:40:26 PM

Awesome!! ty so much!! last thing is, and Im just quadripple checking.. the vengeance and the collermaster cpu coolers are both compatible with the i7 2600k and the asus mobo im getting right lol?
January 17, 2011 9:42:58 PM

actually dunno if that v8 supports your cpu os look into it before you buy it if you do :p 
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January 17, 2011 9:44:52 PM

Noobz said:
Yes it does, I posted right as you did:)  So the cpu cooler should be this.. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
and that is compatible with the mobo im getting and the i7 right? And my last question is everything that ive bought is compatible correct? sorry guys like I said Im new to this:( 


http://www.frozencpu.com/products/11399/cpu-tri-75/Ther...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
January 17, 2011 9:45:04 PM

oh it does nevermind :p  can't seem to edit my posts :( 
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January 17, 2011 9:45:44 PM

Quote:
V8 cooler is garbage


^+1 compared to others
January 17, 2011 10:05:50 PM

Ok for some reason Im being picky right now SORRY!!! The case Im getting is blue and has plexi glass on one side. SO i wanna go with a blue led look on the inside. This is the last thing I ask I promise!! Can someone post a CPU cooler with a blue led on it that will do the job.

Last thing untill I get all my parts at least heheh
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January 17, 2011 10:08:08 PM

Just buy a blue led 120mm fan and put it on the 212.

Which board are you getting?
January 17, 2011 10:09:00 PM

beanoslim said:
^+1 compared to others


ahh ive never used one only know from the reviews iv.e read saying it was good but im guessing those reviews are rather old by now and there is far better out there . my mistake :) 
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January 17, 2011 10:10:33 PM


Quote:
I saw one in person the other day and its FREAKIN HUGE


No doubt they are king coolers but just a rank colour IMO.
Others say swith the fans but then it makes it a very expensive cooler.

I just got the Ven X Black, with a couple of white led fans. :sol: 
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January 17, 2011 10:12:13 PM

kinth said:
ahh ive never used one only know from the reviews iv.e read saying it was good but im guessing those reviews are rather old by now and there is far better out there . my mistake :) 


Have a butch at this mate. :D 
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm
January 17, 2011 10:19:50 PM

Quote:
get this ram

Mushkin 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3 1333MHz CAS 9 1.5v
http://bit.ly/by8Gam

unless you OC with ram cooling your not going to get performance thats better out of them

I notice the 2x WD. Are you going to use them in Raid? Western Digital Caviar Green/Blue and Black Series are not meant to be used in a RAID array. You’ll want to look into their RAID series, with the RE3 or RE4 prefix. Or you can simply pick drives from Samsung, which have no problem with RAID.




Yes for RAID.. no clue what raid is or does but I know its needed..could you post me a link for the drives I need for RAID? the mobo is http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 17, 2011 10:22:48 PM

Noobz said:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... thats the mobo..so I can just buy a 120 mm blue led fan and put it on the CPU cooler and use the fan off the cooler and put it on my case..correct?


Did you read my bit about the boards, have a look at this also, does the Antec case have front usb3 ports?
http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1500/1/

Yes you can but I'd just get another blue Antec so they all match.
Just thinking as well that the Corsair has blue writing and will look better in your case than the XFX, see I know how picky you are so I thought I'd mention it. :D 
January 17, 2011 10:26:19 PM

The link for that mobo is not working..ok corsair it is lol thanks!! So i should get those 2 samsung 1tb and I can Raid with just my mobo? dont need to buy a RAID ..
January 17, 2011 10:27:48 PM

EQ2 doesnt support sli..but I wanna get a rig so down the road if I need it, Ill just have to buy the gpu
January 17, 2011 10:30:44 PM

Quote:
Have you considered going with a pair of 470's over a single 580? Pair of 470's will be cheaper and perform a hell of a lot better


suggested this a few times. it's a great way to go.

as for eq 2 not using sli you can turn one off while you play eq2 using control panel preofiles and one 470 should be enough for eq2 and then leaves better performance for other newer games :) 
January 17, 2011 10:31:17 PM

Yes it has one usb 3.0..what will I be using that for? lol sry
January 17, 2011 10:33:21 PM

Ok you guys know better let me take a look at those 2 470's..which you said I can watch 3d movies on them:p 
January 17, 2011 10:37:12 PM

Noobz said:
Ok you guys know better let me take a look at those 2 470's..which you said I can watch 3d movies on them:p 


http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_470_us...

" Total Immersion
Breakthrough the boundaries of your screen. Games, movies and photos enter a new dimension with NVIDIA® 3D Vision™ technology. Thrill seeker? Use two GeForce GTX 470 cards in NVIDIA® SLI® configuration to project across three displays with NVIDIA 3D Vision Surround1 technology. *Warning: May cause screen envy."

obviously its your choice and what ever you feel comfortable with. were just here to help and offer advice on what we think would be best for your money but in the end it is your money.
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January 17, 2011 10:37:50 PM

Noobz said:
Yes it has one usb 3.0..what will I be using that for? lol sry


Not all cases support usb3 just usb2.

Your mobo supports usb3 but unless you have it on your case you need an add on usb3 box that the Deluxe supplies.

You might as well save $20 and get the PRO as your case supports it.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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January 17, 2011 10:44:10 PM

Noobz said:
I was getting this mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
which is better than pro correct?


Unless you go Deluxe its not worth it, only difference is an extra ethernet port that you'll never use.
The Deluxe has a 16+2 power design and usb3 box that you don't need, get the PRO.
January 17, 2011 10:49:25 PM

Ok switching to pro..
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January 17, 2011 10:53:02 PM

MoBo - The Asus P8P67 WS Revolution is a good choice for the 580, I'd lean to x16 x 16 at 570's and above. For $30 over the deluxe .... that's 1.5% increase in system price . From a 470 on down, you wouldn't see more than a 2-3% increase in performance w/ x16 x16 over x8 x8.

CPU - Nuthin need be said, it's the best 1155 CPU and it's affordable.

GFX - With the Asus MoBo, I'd suggest an Asus GFX card, if nothing else, it will make that call to tech support easier when the MoBo tech tries to blame the GFX card vendor :)  However, the Asus voltage tweak technology will give ya a boost on OC'ing. Consider the 570 which offers far more bang for the buck and ya can power two of them with an 850 watter.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD's - The WD Black, Spinpoint F3 or Seagate 7200.12 whichever is cheaper .... but in the 1 TB (500 GB / platter) size

Drop anything with the Rosewill name on it .... might as well buy Walmart brand.

PSU - The XFX Black Edition 850 ($110) or CP-850* would be my choice with twin 570's in that Lanboy case .... one now and add another come XMas time. Upgrade to a Corsair HX1000 or Antec CP-1000* if ya thinking of a 580 and another one pf those later on.

* CP-1000 and CP-850 require Antec compatible case (DF-85, 1200, P193, P183)

Save $17 and possibly some tech support issues with this Blue Ray reader $59)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

No need for a sound card w/ the quality of today's on board sound.

No need for RAID multile RAID capability on board.

A $2k build deserves a SSD ($195) Vertex 2 120GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Guru3D got to 4.6 GHz w/ the stock cooler so no ya obviously don't **need** one. Cooler is better tho, and why not go higher .....

http://www.guru3d.com/article/asus-sabertooth-p67-tuf-r...

If ya wanna evaluate coolers, benchmarkreviews.com has been keeping a running database for a number of years on cooler performance. Each quarter they test a dozen or so new ones and then compare the results to all the previous tests and re-rank all the coolers. Here's the Top Performers (1st tier)and "Highly Recommended" (2nd tier). I have underlined the top 3

Top Performers

* Prolimatech Megahalems (159mm)
* Thermalright Venomous-X RT (160mm)
* Scythe Mugen 2 SCMG-2100 (159mm)

* ProlimaTech Super Mega (159mm)
* Cogage Arrow (160mm)
* ProlimaTech Armageddon (160mm)
* Thermalright Ultra-120 eXtreme (161mm)
* Cogage TRUE Spirit (164mm)
* Xigmatek Balder SD1283 (160mm)
* SilenX Effizio EFZ-120HA4 (153mm)
* Titan FENRIR TTC-NK85TZ (156mm)

Highly Recommended

* Noctua NH-D14 (158mm)
* Zalman CNPS10X-Performa (152mm)
* Coolink Corator-DS Heatsink (155mm)
* CoolAge CA-X120TF Wind Tunnel (155mm)
* Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme (151mm)
* Thermolab BARAM (160mm)
* Xigmatek Thor's Hammer S126384 (160mm)
* Scythe Yasya SCYS-1000 Cooler (159mm)
* Noctua NH-U12P (158mm)
* Cooler Master V6 GT Heatsink (165mm)
* Thermaltake Contac-29 CLP0568 (160mm)
* Zalman CNPS10X-Quiet (160mm)

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

Beware of some sites that, for compatibility with older tests, are still using the LGA 775 CPUs in their test bench. The heat signature of 1366, 1156, 1155 is totally different and good performance on a 775 does not equate to good performance on the 1366/1155/1156 setups. In fact, just changing from a 920 to a 950 switched the top 3 rankings on benchmarkreviews test.

http://www.frostytech.com/testmethod_mk2.cfm

For a 1st time builder, I'd recommend the Megahalems for its easy install procedure, fool proof mounting and top notch performance..... On a price / performance basis the Mugen 2 well outshines the Hyper 212, the former champ in this category.

The 1st place TIM in benchmarkreviews 80 way test was Shin Etsu
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
January 17, 2011 10:55:28 PM

Trying to build a gaming PC for under $2000 is about as challenging as trying to find a nice car for under $100,000.

If you have that much cash to commit just purchase the latest and greatest of everything.

Just remember that once you drive it off the lot, it's yesterday's technology. (just like a car)
January 17, 2011 11:06:12 PM

i think weve all gone a bit mad and are confusing the hell out of the poor bugger. while we want to build the best machine we could it's all down to personal preference. and let's remember this machine is mainly for eq2 and not getting the best scores ever on tests. can we try and compile a definate list of parts we would all reccomend for the guy ? :) 
January 17, 2011 11:10:07 PM

okay the 6870's seem to be fairly similar in performance to the 470's but ive heard ati's version if 3d isn't widely supported is this true and is it the same for nvidia? as he wants to watch 3d movies on this aswell.
January 17, 2011 11:12:51 PM

Yes please guys..I did get lost lol..One things for sure its for eq2 and 3d movies.. Im for sure getting a i7 2600k, the lantec lanboy air case, and i would like to stick with nvidia. Is it better to get two 470's now or get a 580 than get another 580 down the road?
January 17, 2011 11:17:27 PM

well if your sure you will be able to afford another 580 down the road the 580 would be the better option but , that's spending a grand on gpu's alone. if your not bothered about massive fps in newer games you would probably be fine with a 580. but for the the same amount of money you will get better performance from two 470's. getting another 580 down the road would prob be more futureproof though. im split ewual on the two tbh :p 
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