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September 8, 2010 12:47:53 AM

So I really don't have any idea what route to go with, im thinking either two 460's or two 465's. According to everything I can find the 460's seem to outperform the 465's until you SLI then it seems that the 465's have an advantage in both FPS and the fact that 3 way SLI is capable with 465's. I have basically ruled out a 480 because one just isn't worth the price, and im still considering a single 470 now with sli in the future, but it too seems to be totally lacking in performance to price of the 460/465's.

Amongst others I have been using these reviews to help make my decision.

http://www.legitreviews.com/article/1317/10/

http://www.overclock.net/nvidia/800329-gtx460-1gb-vs-gt...

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/geforce-gtx-460-sli-gefor...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-465-sli-revie...

http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-n465gtx-twin-frozr-ii...

It seems that Dirt 2 is the best to compare with because all the tests use it.

If all this wasn't confusing enough it also seems that after rebates you can get a MSI twin frozer 465 for less than a MSI Cyclone 460. Please let me know if im missing something with the 465's aside from a little more power use and space.

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a c 153 U Graphics card
September 8, 2010 1:02:33 AM

I'd SLI the 470s if you think SLI 460s isn't enough for you.
a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2010 1:09:28 AM

Helltech said:
I'd SLI the 470s if you think SLI 460s isn't enough for you.

Good answer.
The 465 is cut down to the point where it performs about the same as the 460. You need to o/c both models to get gtx 470 speed. The 465 is going to do that but it runs hotter, which may effect your o/c ability in sli ? Those cards might hit 90c, the 460's won't.
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a c 172 U Graphics card
September 8, 2010 1:13:37 AM

The 465 just isn't worth it unless you can get one for about $180 which is rare and they don't perform very well compared to the 470 and the cheaper 460. The 460 uses much less power and has clock advantage. The 470 is an ok purchase if 3way sli is in mind or just for single gpu use (one good card). Personally I would only go for the 460 or the 470 since they are the best of Fermi price wise.
a c 189 U Graphics card
September 8, 2010 4:55:17 AM

^+3
If you can, go with dual GTX470.
If that's too expensive then go with dual GTX460.
Skip that dual GTX465 plan... :) 
September 8, 2010 5:36:58 AM

I would LOVE to run SLI 470's but I just cant swing the $600 for them. $400 is my GPU budget so its going to either be one 470, one 480, or 460/65 in SLI.

I understand that the gtx465 is a mostly useless card, but in SLI it seems to edge out the 460's and with either the MSI Cyclone 460 or MSI Frozer 465 I doubt im going to have cooling issues with either stock or OC.

I just think that for what is basically the same cost (less for 465's) the 465's look better in SLI than the 460's with the exception of power use.

Im 90% settled on the 460 plan but would love if someone can explain to me why they will better than 2x465 and possibly 3x465 down the road. So talk me out of 465's, lol.

Thanks!
a c 153 U Graphics card
September 8, 2010 5:41:47 AM

How about 1 GTX 470, and another down the road?

What resolution do you play at? It might be entirely possible that a single GTX 470 is enough.

Also what PSU do you have?
September 8, 2010 5:55:07 AM

Well my current display is 1680 x 1050 but dont see this monitor lasting much longer, so im planning for higher resolutions on a new one.

my current setup

i7-950, Soon to OC to 4.0
Win 7
MSI big bang Xpower
6gb OCZ 2000
WD 1TB Cav Black
Corsair TX950 PSU
Water Cooled (XSPC Rasa,240 rad, CPU only loop)
CM 690 Advanced
September 8, 2010 11:28:25 PM

Ok, well unless anyone can convince me to just get one gtx470 im going to go with the MSI Cyclone 460's.
September 8, 2010 11:53:39 PM

Oh, I know, but I just cant really determine what the difference between that and the 460 is. This GPU thing is the hardest part about putting together this new system.
a b U Graphics card
September 8, 2010 11:56:44 PM

Even if you upgrade to 1920x1200(1080) a single GTX 470 does very well. :)  I can attest to that myself.

Now, GTX 460 SLI 1GB cards will be as much as 20% faster than a single GTX 480 in some benchmarks I've seen. So that's a spectacular option. And they scale VERY well in SLI.

As stated by others, honestly I'd forget about the GTX 465 entirely. It wasn't very impressive when it was released, and the GTX 460 IS so impressive, it sort of overshadows the GTX 465 anyhow. I've seen some cases where a single GTX 460 outperforms a GTX 465 in certain title reviews. Plus it runs cooler and consumes less power.
a c 539 U Graphics card
September 9, 2010 12:16:07 AM

MSI GTX460 Cyclone:
Load Temp - 64c
Load Noise - 43db
Full Power - 318w
BFBC2 - 34 fps
Crysis Warhead - 38 fps
DIRT2 - 60
Core O.C. +18% (885 mhz)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-geforce-gtx-460-cyclo...

MSI GTX465 Twin Frozr 2:
Load Temp - 70c
Load Noise - 37db (the fan runs at 40% regardless of idle or load)
Full Power - 339w
BFBC2 - 34 fps
Crysis Warhead - 33 fps
DIRT2 - 50 fps
Core O.C. +28% (839 mhz)
http://www.guru3d.com/article/msi-n465gtx-twin-frozr-ii...
a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2010 1:05:18 AM

I have a Palit GTX 465 that I am very happy with but I only got it because it was 182.49 after mail in rebate. If the price is the same I would go for the 460's. There's nothing wrong with the 465's though for the price there at now so if you really think you want to try 3 way sli they might be a better choice but if your only going with 2 cards get the 460s.

September 9, 2010 1:24:10 AM

The 465 is a poor choice, the same way the 5830 was a poor choice at launch.

And buying a Palit card is a very very bad idea, just like to point that out.

(Gtx 460 is 160$ free ship, free sc2 game!!!!!)
a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2010 4:17:20 AM

^That's a trial coupon not the game, and even the 768 mb version isn't 160 anywhere.
a c 172 U Graphics card
September 9, 2010 12:59:18 PM

builderbobftw said:
The 465 is a poor choice, the same way the 5830 was a poor choice at launch.

And buying a Palit card is a very very bad idea, just like to point that out.

(Gtx 460 is 160$ free ship, free sc2 game!!!!!)


So I take it that you have seen their cards with an infra red camera? They run Hot and are kamikaze at best in the hands of most users.
September 9, 2010 9:11:23 PM

^ Yeh, but he seemed like an nv fan boy, so an nv card seemed in order.
September 10, 2010 6:58:28 AM

Ok, getting 2 gtx465's because in all the testing I can find the MSI twin frozer OC 465 beats the MSI Cyclone 460 OC, as well as the 470 at stock clock. So the way I see it, a little more power for 465's and less money than 460's rite now on new egg I cant go wrong with them.
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 6:31:42 PM

So just out of curiousity Bob, why do you say that buying a Palit card is a "very very bad idea?" I see your sig, but palit says the warranty is 2 years. Have you had a bad experience with palit in the past? And I'm not sure if you are calling me a fan boy or someone else but I've had ATI cards for like 15 years and the one nvidia card I've ever owned I just got 2 weeks ago so I doubt I qualify for that.
a c 271 U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 7:26:41 PM

@builderbobftw, So how many Palit cards have you actually had then?
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 7:39:43 PM

The only reason I could think of to stay away from a Palit GPU, is specific cards that did not include cooling sinks on the VRAM. That was a controversial issue when the cards first came out since sample versions of the cards sent to Reviewers had heat sinks.

Aside from that one issue, what's wrong with Palit?
a c 172 U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 8:04:23 PM

A very hot VRM and a crummy stock cooler. At least my gigabyte gtx460 was shipped with a vrm cooler and had silent fans. I will have to mod for fram cooling but all I need to do is strip down a crappy geforce4 or something that is just right that fits in the space between the heatsink and the vram.
a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 8:56:45 PM

nforce4max said:
A very hot VRM and a crummy stock cooler. At least my gigabyte gtx460 was shipped with a vrm cooler and had silent fans. I will have to mod for fram cooling but all I need to do is strip down a crappy geforce4 or something that is just right that fits in the space between the heatsink and the vram.


I think there's a guy on these forums that might have a GeForce 4 available... what was his screen name again.... dang... :lol: 
a c 172 U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 9:20:11 PM

jerreece said:
I think there's a guy on these forums that might have a GeForce 4 available... what was his screen name again.... dang... :lol: 


:whistle: 

Hops on bus and goes to goodwill.

nvm I found these in one of my junk boxes. Each ramsink covers two vram chips and they are very low profile so they will do. :sol: 

September 19, 2010 10:58:24 PM

Mousemonkey said:
@builderbobftw, So how many Palit cards have you actually had then?


Delete my post?

Cenorship ftw!

(But its better than a ban)
a c 271 U Graphics card
September 19, 2010 11:02:25 PM

builderbobftw said:
Delete my post?

Cenorship ftw!

(But its better than a ban)

I couldn't be bothered to edit it. So how many Palit cards have you had then?
September 19, 2010 11:08:06 PM

1...

It was an old as *** card in an old as *** machine I found at the dump though......

TO be honest, It never gave me any problems, but I never used that PC for anything other than internet use. It was my first PC.

The only reason i knew it was even palit was cuase the POS bestech psu blew out and took the machine with it. I think it was a passively cooled early ( I think mx2 ish?) geforce card.
a c 271 U Graphics card
September 19, 2010 11:12:56 PM

builderbobftw said:
1...

It was an old as *** card in an old as *** machine I found at the dump though......

TO be honest, It never gave me any problems, but I never used that PC for anything other than internet use. It was my first PC.

The only reason i knew it was even palit was cuase the POS bestech psu blew out and took the machine with it. I think it was a passively cooled early ( I think mx2 ish?) geforce card.

So as I've had several ATi cards and most of them gave me problems of one sort or another I'm well within my rights to take a similar stance toward all things ATi as you have towards Palit?
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