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October 27, 2010 7:53:49 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Mid-December at the latest; willing to purchase components anytime between now and then in order to get the best deal

Soft Budget Constraint: $1000 (after rebates)
Hid Budget Constraint: $1200 (after rebates)

System Usage from Most to Least Important:
- Architectural & 3D rendering software (i.e. 3ds Max, AutoCAD 2011, Revit 2011, Rhino3D, etc.)*
- Gaming (new games such as Fable III, Fallout: New Vegas, Star Wars: Force Unleashed II, etc.)
- Adobe CS5 (mainly Photoshop, some Premiere)*, Audition
- Internet browser & music player*
- Statistical packages (SAS, STATA, LIMDEP, etc.)
- Visual Studio 2011
*Note: Many of these programs will often be running simultaneously

Parts Not Required: Keyboard, mouse, speakers, printer, OS, maybe monitor

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: No preference… getting a good deal matters most; willing to buy different parts from 2 or 3 sites. I do get free 2 day shipping from Amazon, however.

Parts Preferences: No specific preferences here, aside from an i7 processor (thinking 860 or 920). I am hoping to build a super-fast, multitasking desktop. All emphasis for this machine should be on performance; I am more than happy to spend more on a processor and get the ugliest, cheapest case.

Overclocking: No

SLI or Crossfire: Maybe… If not now, I would like to have the option at a later time.

Monitor Resolution: 1920x1200 (I would enjoy using my current monitor for dual monitors.)

Disk space: 500GB+, fast drive preferred

Additional Comments: As stated above, I would really like to build a super-fast, multitasking PC. I am really all over the map as far as computer usage goes, so I need a computer that is just as versatile. It would be fantastic if this computer has a couple slots open for future upgrades, as it will have to last me for a couple of years. I would really like a new monitor, but I am willing stick with the current if the money is better spent elsewhere. Above I gave a hard budget constraint of $1200, but I might be able to scrounge up about $200 more if absolutely necessary.

I would really appreciate responses with multiple configurations: $1000 w/o monitor, $1000 w/ monitor, & $1200-1400 w/ monitor.

Thank you for your help! I really appreciate your time.
Christopher
October 28, 2010 11:07:39 AM

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System Usage from Most to Least Important:
- Architectural & 3D rendering software (i.e. 3ds Max, AutoCAD 2011, Revit 2011, Rhino3D, etc.)*
- Gaming (new games such as Fable III, Fallout: New Vegas, Star Wars: Force Unleashed II, etc.)
- Adobe CS5 (mainly Photoshop, some Premiere)*, Audition
- Internet browser & music player*
- Statistical packages (SAS, STATA, LIMDEP, etc.)
- Visual Studio 2011
*Note: Many of these programs will often be running simultaneously


Actually for peeps with somewhat similar needs i'd slap on Thuban + GTX 460 in a snap but not sure how determined u are on i7 LOL

$654AR


Optional Items

CM GeminiIIS cooler $33
http://www.superbiiz.com/detail.php?name=FAN-PBU1&title...

60GB Sandforce based SSD $115AR Free Ship
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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October 28, 2010 2:42:04 PM

Hello batuchka, thank you for the reply!

The build looks great (especially at $654), but I have a couple of questions.

Since I have a bit more money to spend, I'm wondering if I could go with the 1090T Black Edition [125W] instead of the 1055T [95W] (+$60, according to Amazon... Newegg has been timing out for me ever since yesterday morning :fou:  ). If i did this, I could stick with the TA880GB+ mobo, correct?

Also, since I have some room in my budget, if I got the 1090T AND a second GTX 460 (+160W) for SLI would I need to get the 700W or 750W PSU or would this be overkill?

I am not too set on the i7, just so long as I can be convinced to go with AMD. The only reason I was pushing for the i7 is because I read that it would be faster in CAD applications, which are the primary application of this build. Of course I couldn't afford a top of the line i7, but I've seen some builds with 860s and 920s that come in around $800-$1000. Would an 860 or 920 i7 still blow the 1055T or 1090T out of the water?

Thank you for your help and putting up with my n00b questions. This is my first build, so I really had no idea on where to start.


Thanks again!
Christopher
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October 28, 2010 2:52:01 PM

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Since I have a bit more money to spend, I'm wondering if I could go with the 1090T Black Edition [125W] instead of the 1055T [95W] (+$60, according to Amazon... Newegg has been timing out for me ever since yesterday morning :fou:  ). If i did this, I could stick with the TA880GB+ mobo, correct?
you could if you wanted, if you have the dough get a better cpu....

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Also, since I have some room in my budget, if I got the 1090T AND a second GTX 460 (+160W) for SLI would I need to get the 700W or 750W PSU or would this be overkill?
If you are OCIng you are about using most of it. Edit: IMHO I always like a 100-150 watt buffer, but that is me, I like getting a long time from my computers, hey I still have a P4 when they first came out XD.....

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I am not too set on the i7, just so long as I can be convinced to go with AMD. The only reason I was pushing for the i7 is because I read that it would be faster in CAD applications, which are the primary application of this build. Of course I couldn't afford a top of the line i7, but I've seen some builds with 860s and 920s that come in around $800-$1000. Would an 860 or 920 i7 still blow the 1055T or 1090T out of the water?
You'd be looking at a 950, it is like 20$ between 920-950 XD..... IMHO you'd want the i7 above the AMD.... Read this review, and make your conclusion! http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-phenom-ii-x6-10...

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Thank you for your help and putting up with my n00b questions. This is my first build, so I really had no idea on where to start.
That's why we have no life =D

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October 29, 2010 12:34:59 AM

okay, so i have taken some of the suggestions from you guys (thanks again!) and tried to piece a PC together myself.

there are 2 builds:

+ AMD Phenom II 1090T - $1110.90 after mail-in rebates
https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/chweaver/Filemanager_Public_Files/PII_1090T.gif


+ Intel i7 950 - $1200.90 after mail-in rebates
https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/chweaver/Filemanager_Public_Files/i7_950.gif

***EDIT: sorry for the hyperlink... i can't seem to get the images to display here.***

here come the questions:
which build? i see that the i7 950 comes out ahead most of the time as far as benchmarking goes, but could the 1090T pull ahead once software begins to tap into those 6 cores a little more... hmmmm.

will the 700W PSU be sufficient? overkill? just right?

will the video cards work together in SLI, even though they are made by different manufacturers? (both gtx 640s but one made by gigabyte and the other by zotac)

will the 120mm fan on the case be sufficient, or do i need to get some pci slot fans or something fancier?

will these builds even work? did i forget anything? will everything play nicely together?

suggestions? comments?


thank you all for your help!
christopher
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October 29, 2010 2:50:49 AM

chweaver said:
okay, so i have taken some of the suggestions from you guys (thanks again!) and tried to piece a PC together myself.

there are 2 builds:

+ AMD Phenom II 1090T - $1110.90 after mail-in rebates
https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/chweaver/Filemanager_Public_Files/PII_1090T.gif


+ Intel i7 950 - $1200.90 after mail-in rebates
https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/chweaver/Filemanager_Public_Files/i7_950.gif

***EDIT: sorry for the hyperlink... i can't seem to get the images to display here.***

here come the questions:
which build? i see that the i7 950 comes out ahead most of the time as far as benchmarking goes, but could the 1090T pull ahead once software begins to tap into those 6 cores a little more... hmmmm.

will the 700W PSU be sufficient? overkill? just right?

will the video cards work together in SLI, even though they are made by different manufacturers? (both gtx 640s but one made by gigabyte and the other by zotac)

will the 120mm fan on the case be sufficient, or do i need to get some pci slot fans or something fancier?

will these builds even work? did i forget anything? will everything play nicely together?

suggestions? comments?


thank you all for your help!
christopher

I would've separated the post and told you everythinng, but I've been up for 3 days now, and don't have the energy.

1. 700 watt PSU is a little small for SLIing 460's.... you CAN do two different GPUs, but it is recommended the same, if diffeerent size then they operate at the same size, ssame with speed. so you'll lose a little bit on size of the GPUs....

i7 system is pretty good, eventually you probably need more fans, but Core i7's operate on "triple channels", basically channeling makes several ram sticks work together, so they go up, in i7's case, by 3s.... so 8 gigs make it work in single channel and it sacrifices performance.

Maybe a lower response time on the monitor, such as 2MS....

Pretty good all around =D other then that!
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October 29, 2010 8:39:37 PM

okay, so i've revised the builds using your suggestions. i was actually able to get a cpu fan, a much better power supply, and 2 matching gpus and still save a couple cents.

+ AMD Phenom II 1090T [revised] - $1110.38 after mail-in rebates and psu15vp coupon code (ends 10/31)
https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/chweaver/Filemanager_Public_Files/PII_1090T_revised_.jpg

+ Intel i7 950 - $1199.38 after mail-in rebates and psu15vp coupon code (ends 10/31)
https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/chweaver/Filemanager_Public_Files/i7_950_revised_.jpg

how do these look?

as for the lower response time on the monitor, they have a 2ms for cheaper, but it has a cheap looking "ring stand" that i don't think i would be able to tolerate. besides, my current monitor has a whopping 12ms response time :sleep:  , so even 5ms would be a great improvement.

thank you again for your help!
christopher
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October 29, 2010 10:04:57 PM

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+ AMD Phenom II 1090T [revised] - $1110.38 after mail-in rebates and psu15vp coupon code (ends 10/31)
https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/chweaver/Filemanager_Public_Files/PII_1090T_revised_.jpg
Bad CPU fans, don't get anything rosewill, it is the junky Newegg unbrand... try this cooler http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... Maybe a 1gig GPU.... edit: a good, cheap Antec case

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+ Intel i7 950 - $1199.38 after mail-in rebates and psu15vp coupon code (ends 10/31)
https://oncourse.iu.edu/access/content/user/chweaver/Filemanager_Public_Files/i7_950_revised_.jpg
ditto for this.... except you have 4 gigs ram, you need to have triple channel ram. so 3, 6, 12, 24.



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as for the lower response time on the monitor, they have a 2ms for cheaper, but it has a cheap looking "ring stand" that i don't think i would be able to tolerate. besides, my current monitor has a whopping 12ms response time :sleep:  , so even 5ms would be a great improvement.
XD try http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


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October 29, 2010 10:20:25 PM

I think you need some additional help. Neither of those builds are well-suited for productivity apps/multitasking.

The 1090T is a much worse proposition compared with the 1055t. The 1055t is 33% cheaper, but only 13% slower. You go AMD for value.
You need more ram. 6GB is the minumum I would be looking at, and I would really say more would really be better. With simple blender and PS projects up I regularly use 10GB of ram, and larger projects in Maya can use 12+. An SSD would also be nice to avoid slowdowns when multitasking.

You should be getting a smaller, better quality PSU like an XFX black edition 750 if that. And that 768 GTX 460 is overpriced. A 6850 or 5850 (or two) for ~170/200 (*2)would be much better values.

You NEED an IPS monitor for everything you have listed. IPS don't come in response times lower than 8MS, and are expensive. You seriously cannot run CAD/Photoshop on a TN panel and get good results. A Dell U series is probably your best bet for ~300.

If you really need to save money, an old CRT monitor could probably be had for cheap and would be fine for CAD/Photoshop.

https://secure.newegg.com/WishList/MySavedWishDetail.as... Almost 80$ in MIR/codes.
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