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October 28, 2010 12:41:22 AM

Hello, I'm new at builds and was looking for some advice on gaming.
What I don't need is a case, dvd drives, and hard drives. Pretty much looking for a quad core, 6gb ddr3/8gb ddr3, power supply, mobo, and a graphics card that can play decently on 1920 x 1080 25" monitor that is below the $600 range excluding tax and shipping.
I use newegg and tigerdirect
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October 28, 2010 3:32:05 AM

Altair154 said:
Hello, I'm new at builds and was looking for some advice on gaming.
What I don't need is a case, dvd drives, and hard drives. Pretty much looking for a quad core, 6gb ddr3/8gb ddr3, power supply, mobo, and a graphics card that can play decently on 1920 x 1080 25" monitor that is below the $600 range excluding tax and shipping.
I use newegg and tigerdirect

You are going to have a tough time getting all of that, along with a 25 inch monitor for $600. I recommend you consider 4GB of memory and using the on-board GPU intially. The combo below includes an HDD, but you should get the idea.

You could go with the following for $600.98:

(monitor) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(PSU) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
(combo deal) http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboBundleDetails.aspx?I...

You can always add more memory and a GPU when you have the $$$. Good luck!
October 28, 2010 3:38:24 AM

Thanks for the reply, I meant I have a 25" along with a case, dvd drive and hdd. My mistake!
I am in need a graphics card that can play at least up to 60 frames in games such as: CoD Modern Warfare 2, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead 2, World of Wacraft, and Starcraft II without AA. If possible, would the 5830 help me in anyway?

Another question: Whats the difference between 128 bit and 256 memory bit interfaces?
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October 28, 2010 3:45:44 AM

Altair154 said:
Thanks for the reply, I meant I have a 25" along with a case, dvd drive and hdd. My mistake!
I am in need a graphics card that can play at least up to 60 frames in games such as: CoD Modern Warfare 2, Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead 2, World of Wacraft, and Starcraft II without AA. If possible, would the 5830 help me in anyway?

Another question: Whats the difference between 128 bit and 256 memory bit interfaces?

Drop the monitor and add this GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The difference in the "width" of the interface deals in how much bandwidth you have between the GPU processor and the GPU memory. In your questions (128 vs 256) it is kind of like comparing how many cars can move on a 2 lane vs. 4 lane road. Most of the time both roads will serve your needs, but when there is lots of traffic (heavy GPU loading) the 4 lane (256) road is capable of moving more traffic in the same period of time.

Skip the 5830 and go to a 5850, or higher, or the 6000 series like the example above.
October 28, 2010 4:21:24 AM

You can easliy get what you want under $600, but you're going to have to skimp on some parts.... which could possibly lead to a bottleneck....

You could get a quad core Athlon II x4 instead of a Phenom II x4
You could go with a cheap motherboard, instead of a performance motherboard like a mATX board over an ATX board...
You could also get a cheaper PSU. I usually tend to get corsair PSU's because I know that they're good PSU's, but they are a bit on the expensive side.... If you research enough, you could be able to find a cheap and reliable PSU...
With RAM, I'd just go with the cheapest because they don't make much of a difference in my opinion...
As far as GPU's go, I'd go with 5770 or higher... I would recommend the 5850 though.

So the question is, what do you want to skimp on achieve that price tag of $600?
October 28, 2010 4:22:40 AM

COLGeek said:
Drop the monitor and add this GPU:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The difference in the "width" of the interface deals in how much bandwidth you have between the GPU processor and the GPU memory. In your questions (128 vs 256) it is kind of like comparing how many cars can move on a 2 lane vs. 4 lane road. Most of the time both roads will serve your needs, but when there is lots of traffic (heavy GPU loading) the 4 lane (256) road is capable of moving more traffic in the same period of time.

Skip the 5830 and go to a 5850, or higher, or the 6000 series like the example above.

Since i'm on a 600 dollar strict budget, I don't think It would be a good idea to add a high price graphics card to my list, didn't the 6000 series come out recently?


Nesto1000 said:
You can easliy get what you want under $600, but you're going to have to skimp on some parts.... which could possibly lead to a bottleneck....

You could get a quad core Athlon II x4 instead of a Phenom II x4
You could go with a cheap motherboard, instead of a performance motherboard like a mATX board over an ATX board...
You could also get a cheaper PSU. I usually tend to get corsair PSU's because I know that they're good PSU's, but they are a bit on the expensive side.... If you research enough, you could be able to find a cheap and reliable PSU...
With RAM, I'd just go with the cheapest because they don't make much of a difference in my opinion...
As far as GPU's go, I'd go with 5770 or higher... I would recommend the 5850 though.

So the question is, what do you want to skimp on achieve that price tag of $600?


I really don't need an Athlon II x4. Doubting its capability for 1080p gameplay. It would surely become a bottleneck. In the future I may buy two more monitors for eyefinity. I guess i'll stay with buying the 5830 for now?

According to ColGeek: He already linked me a motherboard, 4gb of ram, psu, and graphics card. However, It may be pushing it with the graphics card. Not sure.
October 28, 2010 4:44:48 AM

Altair154 said:
Since i'm on a 600 dollar strict budget, I don't think It would be a good idea to add a high price graphics card to my list, didn't the 6000 series come out recently?



I really don't need an Athlon II x4. Doubting its capability for 1080p gameplay. It would surely become a bottleneck. In the future I may buy two more monitors for eyefinity. I guess i'll stay with buying the 5830 for now?


They just came out, but they're cheap... well at least for now. The prices are going to go up in 2 - 3 weeks...

You could also get a Phenom II x4 at a low clock sped if you want to... also to play games on 1080p, a 5770 will do the job on mid to high settings, if the 5770 doesn't sound appealing to you, get a 5850, not a 5830 unless you really can't go that much higher. If you think that you're not going to upgrade the computer much the 5770 GPU would be great because it only needs at least a 400 watt PSU. You could also get a mATX board with integrated graphics (cheaper) that has only one PCI express 2.0 x16 slot. 4 gigs of ram is enough for you to game... 6 to 8 gigs is really only needed for the multimedia people...

Currently I have an Athlon II x3, 5770, mATX board, 4 gigs of RAM, and a 400 watt PSU. I can play most games on High and Ultra High settings with my setup at 1366x768 resolution (a bit higher than 720p). My setup cost me about $750 with the case, hdd, and dvd drive...

FYI, look for rebates on newegg... they always have some that will shave off quite a bit of money that might allow you to buy higher end products.
October 28, 2010 5:58:40 AM

How about a gtx470 if a 6850 is too much GPU?

GIGABYTE GV-N470D5-13I-B GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$20 MIR

SeaSonic S12II 620 Bronze 620W ATX12V V2.3 / EPS 12V V2.91 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR XMS3 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMX4GX3M2A1600C9
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$15 MIR, $10 promo code: EMCZYNT36

ASUS M4A87TD/USB3 AM3 AMD 870 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 AMD Motherboard
and
AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Total with MIR and promo code: $598.24

The x4 955 is the best AMD processor for gaming, gtx 470 is a great card for 1080p and should easily max all those games, the PSU is highly rated by jonnyGURU and has more than enough power for the 470, the ram is corsair, cheap, and ddr3 1600. Motherboard is ASUS, sata6 and usb3.

A bigger videocard is always better for gaming, the 5830 is going to be about 3/5 of the speed of the gtx470. Also, no other components had to be sacrificed to fit the 470 in, making it an easy choice.
October 28, 2010 1:46:40 PM

Thanks, I read somewhere that AMD Cant use DDR3 1600 without OC? Is that true?

Duk3, is it possible to find some combo deals for memory and the psu together?
October 28, 2010 4:04:19 PM

Altair154 said:
Duk3, is it possible to find some combo deals for memory and the psu together?

Memory & PSU Combos
According to the specs page on motherboard Duk3 posted, you don't need to OC the memory.

Also duk3's config looks good... but you could also get this Radeon HD 5850 for about $30 cheaper instead of buying that fermi card if you're looking to save a bit more...
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October 28, 2010 4:55:23 PM

duk3 said:
How about a gtx470 if a 6850 is too much GPU?


You're suggesting a $270+ GTX 470 when the OP objected to a $170 6850? Have you not checked the prices recently? :) 

The config looks good, though. As long as a copy of Win 7 doesn't need to be included in the budget as well.
October 28, 2010 5:19:51 PM

Altair154 said:
Thanks, I read somewhere that AMD Cant use DDR3 1600 without OC? Is that true?

Duk3, is it possible to find some combo deals for memory and the psu together?


AM3 processors can indeed use 1600 MHz RAM without overclocking the processor. Some motherboards just require you to set the memory speed manually which is pretty easy. I'm running some G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 MHz with a AMD Phenom X4 955 at stock speeds perfectly fine. I just had to go into the BIOS and set the speed. My memory voltage also needed to be increased to 1.65 V because that's that the memory was designed for.

As for the graphics card, if you're thinking about eyefinity and 1080p gaming, and if you want a little future proofing, the Phenom X4 is a great choice and the 6000 series did just come out. The 6850 is just slightly higher performance than the 5830 and the 6870 is slightly better than the 6870. The 6000 Series adds 3D support and slightly better DX11 performance.
October 28, 2010 7:22:22 PM

axipher said:
As for the graphics card, if you're thinking about eyefinity and 1080p gaming, and if you want a little future proofing, the Phenom X4 is a great choice and the 6000 series did just come out. The 6850 is just slightly higher performance than the 5830 and the 6870 is slightly better than the 6870. The 6000 Series adds 3D support and slightly better DX11 performance.

That is wrong! The 6870 is the 5770 equivalent... AMD messed with their naming scheme a bit, but it's not that hard to figure out what is what...
6870 = 5770
6850 = 5750
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October 28, 2010 7:41:20 PM

Nesto1000 said:
That is wrong! The 6870 is the 5770 equivalent... AMD messed with their naming scheme a bit, but it's not that hard to figure out what is what...
6870 = 5770
6850 = 5750

Absolutely WRONG. The 68xx cards are NOT equivalent to the 57xx, they are far superior. On this example chart: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-rade... the HD5770 isn't even listed.
That said, a HD5770 is quite capable of playing most games with "decent" settings at 1920x1080. If money is tight, that's not a bad choice. A 1GB GTX460 or HD6850 would each be a little stronger, for not too much more money.
Any of those will run quite well with a 550W PSU, with plenty of head room; a HD5770 will run on a good 450W PSU.
Do not buy a cheap Chokemax PSU. Select a model with full range active PFC (no little voltage switch) and some level of 80+ certification. Antec, Seasonic, Corsair, Enermax, and XFX are among the better brands.
October 28, 2010 9:26:47 PM

I went from two 5750's in crossfire both overclocked to 870 MHz on the core and 1300 MHz on the memory and my one 6870n at stock speeds is slightly faster in everything.
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