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October 28, 2010 9:28:17 PM

Right, from the help from the forum ive managed to finally build the rig together, it's all set and ive one more thing to buy to complete it. Now i currently have a GTX275 and have been told to upgrade it because it doesn't support Direct X11, Eyeinfinity the new shader model etc. Also it consumes more power then most of the later cards.

Im not sure what card would go well with this Rig i really don't want an overkill. Something that could max out at 1920x1080 some AA would be nice at a playable framerate.

My Rig:
Intel Core i7 870 2.93Ghz
4GB Corsair Dominator GT 2133Mhz
Coolermaster Hyper 212+
Gigabyte GA-P55-UD5
750w Corsair Power Supply

Is there any sort of bottleneck in this rig from stopping me hitting a good 40+fps on 1920x1080 max on 90% of games.

Thanks in advance
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a b U Graphics card
October 28, 2010 9:31:13 PM

Your video card is very good, if you want DX11 you should wait a few weeks for the new AMD 69xx series. HD 6970 or something.
October 28, 2010 9:37:51 PM

mosox said:
Your video card is very good, if you want DX11 you should wait a few weeks for the new AMD 69xx series. HD 6970 or something.

Thanks, do you know the equivalent of a HD6970? for example a GTX275 is more an less a 4890/5830.
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October 28, 2010 10:10:06 PM

cards are already DX11, did I miss something? 5870/5850/6870/6850/480/470 all of those card both from ati and nvidia are dx11.

the 5870 is a bit slower then the 480 gtx but nothing you would notice and not in every game, the 6970 will beat the 480 gtx, again depending on the game we could be talking 4 fps difference. That is ofcourse till the 580 gtx comes out which is suppose to beat the 6970. again few fps depending on the game.

Now what card to you need to play at max settings of the game at 1920x1080 ? 480/5870.

both are DX11 cards.

However if you want to throw in AA then we need to know what game and how much AA. For example 4x aa on crysis is totally different then 4x aa on starcraft 2, and games like crysis you can't max out at that res no matter what you got.
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October 28, 2010 10:35:18 PM

The 69xx will be better and the current 5870/GTX470 are not appealing anymore. I don't recommend a HD 58XX now that the 6xxx are already here or around the corner.

You can get now a HD 6870 or wait for the HD 6950/6970.
October 28, 2010 10:47:10 PM

Well there is always something new around the corner tho, when the 6970 comes out, the 580 gtx will be around the corner, but I guess he is the one buying, he needs to decide what he wants to do.

I don't see why the 5870 or 480 would not be appealing, the difference is not gonna be that big of a difference from a 480 gtx, and in many games all three cards 480/6970/5870 will give the user 60fps (smooth gaming), so for example in starcraft 2 when you get what you need from a 5870/480, what do the few fps difference from a 6970 do? they won't even be noticed.

once thing that might be good is that when the 6970 comes out, the prices of the 5870 should be lower, at that time you can decide what you want.
October 28, 2010 10:54:24 PM

Tom Kamkari said:
Well there is always something new around the corner tho, when the 6970 comes out, the 580 gtx will be around the corner, but I guess he is the one buying, he needs to decide what he wants to do.

I don't see why the 5870 or 480 would not be appealing, the difference is not gonna be that big of a difference from a 480 gtx, and in many games all three cards 480/6970/5870 will give the user 60fps (smooth gaming), so for example in starcraft 2 when you get what you need from a 5870/480, what do the few fps difference from a 6970 do? they won't even be noticed.

once thing that might be good is that when the 6970 comes out, the prices of the 5870 should be lower, at that time you can decide what you want.

Thanks Tom, What about an SLI solution or a Crossfire solution. Right now i can get a EVGA GTX460 768Mb SLI for the same price as a HD5870. Or HD5850 Crossfire for a little over the 5870 price.

What do you think?
October 28, 2010 11:13:04 PM

My pleasure, well rule number in gpu is always go with a single core solution, in short if a 5870 gives you what you need then stay away from 5970, 2 x 5870 or 2 x 5850.

reason one is that when you get in to sli/crossfire, you get into the sli/crossfire bugs and driver issues, why bother if you don't need to.

in the case of the dual gpu cards like the 295/4870x2/5970, when go to add a second card, you will be in quad sli/crossfire, which is not as good as tri sli/crossfire scaling, so then you want to stay away from that.

in short single card solution is always the best option if it gives you what you need, without AA, a 480/5870 will give you all you need to play almost all games at highest settings, once you crank up the AA then gpu power needs change, some games like gta need more ram so the 480 with 1.5GB of ram will due better.

what games you plaining on playing, that will help tell you which card is better for you and/or if you need sli or not, if you want to play crysis at your res you will 2 x 480/5870 to get decent fps at highest settings, so what games you play is very important.
October 28, 2010 11:18:12 PM

Power hungry as in 80 -$100 extra a year like the 480 gtx?

not sure what your link is suppose to show.

Lets not forget for those of us how use cuda for lets say folding, ATI can't come close still, wish they did tho.
October 29, 2010 8:31:23 AM

Tom Kamkari said:
My pleasure, well rule number in gpu is always go with a single core solution, in short if a 5870 gives you what you need then stay away from 5970, 2 x 5870 or 2 x 5850.

reason one is that when you get in to sli/crossfire, you get into the sli/crossfire bugs and driver issues, why bother if you don't need to.

in the case of the dual gpu cards like the 295/4870x2/5970, when go to add a second card, you will be in quad sli/crossfire, which is not as good as tri sli/crossfire scaling, so then you want to stay away from that.

in short single card solution is always the best option if it gives you what you need, without AA, a 480/5870 will give you all you need to play almost all games at highest settings, once you crank up the AA then gpu power needs change, some games like gta need more ram so the 480 with 1.5GB of ram will due better.

what games you plaining on playing, that will help tell you which card is better for you and/or if you need sli or not, if you want to play crysis at your res you will 2 x 480/5870 to get decent fps at highest settings, so what games you play is very important.

mmmmm, i'd be looking to play GTA IV on at least 1920x1080 at Very High with everything maxed. My pentium Dual Core E6300 @ 4.4Ghz couldn't play GTA at a decent frame rate(19-30) on medium settings at 1920x1080. And that was paired with a GTX275 896MB. But now ive bought a fairly strong processor for the job, just need a graphics card to achieve at least the bare minimum of 40FPS average. I have yet to see a benchmark of the 6850 Crossfire performing bad, or the GTX460 SLI. And ill probably never be able to afford a 5870 in crossfire. The most i could get is a GTX480.
October 29, 2010 9:30:21 AM

480 or a 5870 will give you 50 to 60 fps in most games including gta 4





you are not going to see crossfire or sli perform bad, I'm saying they have bugs and quad sli vs tri sli, tri sli wins due to better scalling.

you also don't need crossfire or sli at your res. also 2 x 6850 cost more then a 5870 and 2 x 460 cost the same as a 5870. All of their performance is around the same.



October 29, 2010 10:03:01 AM

Tom Kamkari said:
480 or a 5870 will give you 50 to 60 fps in most games including gta 4


http://img109.imageshack.us/img109/1272/75520294.png


you are not going to see crossfire or sli perform bad, I'm saying they have bugs and quad sli vs tri sli, tri sli wins due to better scalling.

you also don't need crossfire or sli at your res. also 2 x 6850 cost more then a 5870 and 2 x 460 cost the same as a 5870. All of their performance is around the same.

Thank you very much for that graph as it is tested on a similar pc to mine.
I7 870 @ 4.0Ghz
P55

That actually shows what i would get with them cards for my setup...so its more and less accurate apart from it uses 1600Mhz ram and i use 2133Mhz probably a 1-2fps increase. Looking at the graph a 5870 won't be a big enough upgrade for GTA IV i had a 275 AMP edition and then i OCed it more then it's factory clocks which pushed it passed the performance of a GTX285 which is right under the 5870. It looks like the game is more Nvidia Biased....ill probably be getting a GTX480.
October 29, 2010 10:04:41 AM

True in all fairness that test was done with the 1Gb version of the 58702, maybe the 2GB version would have done better.
October 29, 2010 10:11:08 AM

GTA IV is one of the games id be wanting to max out for a very long time...i had a Core 2 Quad Q9300 @ 3.6Ghz + GTX 275 AMP and 30fps on 1920x1080 it couldn't be possible even on a fast quad core..which makes me think the 896MB is the bottleneck. Got any GTX460 SLI GTA IV benchmarks id love to see what fps they would get thanks :D 
October 29, 2010 8:00:26 PM

GTA needs good a mount of vram, so to max it you need vram, 460 has only 1GB of ram and will not give you good fps if you have good aa., You will need a card with prefebly 1.5GB of vram to max out.

keep in mind above chart has only 1x aa, to get 4x aa or 8x aa you gonna need lot more vram.
October 30, 2010 10:28:01 AM

Tom Kamkari said:
GTA needs good a mount of vram, so to max it you need vram, 460 has only 1GB of ram and will not give you good fps if you have good aa., You will need a card with prefebly 1.5GB of vram to max out.

keep in mind above chart has only 1x aa, to get 4x aa or 8x aa you gonna need lot more vram.

Right but 2 460's will be same performance as 1 460 in gta iv? because they have 1gb each but out of that 2gb only 1gb can be used right?
October 30, 2010 6:28:27 PM

Yes also in sli/crossfire vram does not get combined, which is another problem with dual cards like the 5970/295, for example 5970 says its a 2GB card but its really 1GB per gpu so you are working with 1GB of vram, just like if you stuck 2 x 460, as you said its still 1GB of vram.
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