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September 9, 2010 5:44:52 PM

Alright, its upgrade time. I posted a thread earlier some months ago when I was aiming for a GTX465, but now the Nvidia Geforce GTX460 has come out and I am going to buy it. I don't really game, just sometimes, but I mostly use a flight simulator, some editing, and CAD (nothing to serious, google sketchup mostly). My 8800GTS 640MB, is still a monster but its starting to well...get outdated and can't handle some of the stuff I do anymore. Its time for it to retire. So my question was, I see two different GTX 460's, the 768MB and the 1GB version. The 1GB version is about $30+ more expensive if not more, so is the 1GB version that much better that its worth the price jump?, and what confuses me is that the 1GB version seemingly has a slower Core/Mem/Shader Clock than the 768MB version. Either way, the jump to the 460 will give me a huge performance jump, its probably three times as powerful and has DX11 which I am looking forward to and 3D. So any ideas as what the point of more memory but less Clocks is? And is the extra 256MB of on board ram justifiable especially for my needs? Thanks for any advice.

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a b U Graphics card
September 9, 2010 5:53:24 PM

Whats your resolution? 1680*1050 or below go for the 768MB, 1080P or above go for 1GB.
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a c 329 U Graphics card
September 9, 2010 6:45:59 PM

If you do not game very much and do not use a 30" display the smaller card is plenty, even at 1920x1200. Just keep the AA settings down and you'll be fine.
Unless you need them, leave the factory overclocked and specially cooled cards alone, the stock coolers do a good job and are quiet with it and you can always tweak the card yourself ;) 
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a c 175 U Graphics card
September 9, 2010 8:17:19 PM

Just get the 1GB version and stick with it for 3 or 4 years till it is in the same place as your 8800gts 640. The 1gb is a better purchase in the long run for when games and apps in the future need more than 768mb can offer.
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September 9, 2010 9:06:08 PM

My resolution is 1080P on a 23'' Monitor. My current 8800GTS 640MB is actually factory overclocked but it doesn't give very good frame rates, I barely need the AA, only in CAD, but my 8800GTS already handles the CAD AA well so the 768MB would only improve. And in games, I just want crank up the texture settings and some other stuff just a bit. So I am leaning towards the 768MB a lot right now. It should be a massive upgrade in performance either way. Plus my main reason is DX11. And I don't plan on upgrading my display, sometimes I connect it to my 50'' plasma but the plasma is 1080i anyway. And I was thinking of the future and maybe buying the 1GB but the thing is, if my 8800GTS 640mb still "almost" suits my needs after 4 years I think after its release, the 768MB 460 should obliterate it. Thanks for the points though.
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September 10, 2010 7:14:00 AM

Get the 1GB version.The extra memory is worth it.Will be better in the long run when DX 11 games start demanding more memory.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 7:57:07 AM

The average performance difference between the two cards is about 5-10%.
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a c 175 U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 1:10:12 PM

jyjjy said:
The average performance difference between the two cards is about 5-10%.


That doesn't matter to the average user who keeps the card long enough till it either fails or becomes minimum requirements. The extra performance is only extra compared to memory.
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a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 2:20:15 PM

nforce4max said:
That doesn't matter to the average user who keeps the card long enough till it either fails or becomes minimum requirements. The extra performance is only extra compared to memory.

For an extra 20$ you get a 1gb version that performs 10% better?
Lasts longer and runs faster for the games that come out within the next 2-3 years would normally catch the average user in my opinion.
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a c 175 U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 2:30:04 PM

dalta centauri said:
For an extra 20$ you get a 1gb version that performs 10% better?
Lasts longer and runs faster for the games that come out within the next 2-3 years would normally catch the average user in my opinion.



You missed what I was saying but the point was buying the 1gb version over the 768mb on memory alone the extra performance is only extra. Go look at one of my recent threads ware I posted a screen shot of me using up a full gb of vram under gpu-z 4.6
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September 10, 2010 5:35:20 PM

1gb GTS450 for $150.

OR

1gb GTX460 for $220.


*I* can't see a reason for a 768mb any longer - reference Monster cards: Sure, the 2mb card would allow for 3dFX + OpenGL, but it'd push 15-30FPS oppose to the 4mb at solid 30+.
The past few years *really* feel like 1996-1998 all over again and stepping up to Pentium2's with Voodoo cards ;) 
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a b U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 6:10:19 PM

i'm getting the 768mb version. because there's almost, more or less than $50 price diff (give or take) from where i'm from.

i'll oc the card the card anyway, and i'm the type that do change gpu's atleast twice a year (just sold my 260-216.

and what ct615 said.
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September 10, 2010 7:27:33 PM

Hythos thats interesting, haven't heard of the GTS 400's series but I took a look and found this article
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/gf106-fermi-gts-gtx-gf...
It says they should be coming out september, I might actually hold off on the 460 if the GTS series is coming out, they will still be tremendoulsy more powerful then my 8800GTS 640mb and should still serve all my needs, I am really thinking about waiting now for the GTS series. I never even knew about that before, thank you hythos.
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a c 175 U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 8:08:19 PM

ct1615 said:
my GTX 460 768mb outperforms 1GB cards at 1680x1050. and for people who think the 1GB will have a longer life span because of the extra ram, at a 5% difference both cards would struggle in similar game or run games at ease. Unless you actually think there is a real world difference between 25 FPS and 28 FPS





I dare to differ
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a c 175 U Graphics card
September 10, 2010 8:47:46 PM

You stare at charts, some stare at goats, I bother not.
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September 11, 2010 1:44:00 AM

nforce4max said:
You stare at charts, some stare at goats, I bother not.

So where do you get your figures? out of your arse?
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a c 175 U Graphics card
September 11, 2010 1:50:14 AM

Homeboy2 said:
So where do you get your figures? out of your arse?


Do you get yours from the stars or from the spirits? Tea leaves perhaps or entrails. Maybe by throwing rune stones instead.
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September 11, 2010 8:03:56 PM

nforce4max said:
Do you get yours from the stars or from the spirits? Tea leaves perhaps or entrails. Maybe by throwing rune stones instead.

I get mine from charts and benchmarks.
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a c 75 U Graphics card
September 11, 2010 8:19:05 PM

I dunno, I'm still a fan of the 1GB GTX 460. With more texture processing ability, it will outperform the 768MB. Yes you can OC the 768MB to match or beat the 1GB. But you can also OC the 1GB to beat out the OC'd 768MB. So who cares? LOL

There are situations where the 1GB of RAM can come in handy, for example if people want to play GTA IV. It loves VRAM if you want to elevate some graphic settings.

I can OC my GTX 470 to GTX 480 speeds if I pack it in dry ice (I wouldn't bother OC'ing with it's current temps). But that makes more sense given the price differential between 470 and 480.

Since the OP is using a 1080P monitor, I'd suggest the 1GB to be safest, plus the 1GB is faster at stock speeds due to better texture processing, etc.

To the OP: So far as 3D is concerned. Don't worry about 3D until your next GPU upgrade. For one it's still in it's infancy, so not many titles support it. Not to mention @ 1080P with DX11 and then 3D added on, the GTX 460 isn't going to be powerful enough to do all that smoothly. By the time 3D has convinced anyone it's legit and here to stay, you'll be due for another upgrade.
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September 12, 2010 2:51:31 AM

GTS 450 was just released on newegg. It is 129.99...which is cheaper then the cheapest GTX460 which is 169.99. So just wondering it GTS450 still going to be a big performance jump from my 8800GTS 640MB...when I mean big then I am talking a very noticeable performance increase in games and stuff.?
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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 3:01:47 AM

Arent many benchmarks out, but at that price, say goodbye 5770 and 5750 :lol: 
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a c 175 U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 3:02:49 AM

blackhawk1928 said:
GTS 450 was just released on newegg. It is 129.99...which is cheaper then the cheapest GTX460 which is 169.99. So just wondering it GTS450 still going to be a big performance jump from my 8800GTS 640MB...when I mean big then I am talking a very noticeable performance increase in games and stuff.?



Yes and it will use less power but not by any significant margin. It will out perform nicely but with current drivers it isn't as rosy as it should be. I was going to buy one my self but decided in one good card vs sli as a option down the road so this card is just right for you. Plus its extra features will be a pay off in the long run with a much lower idle power draw.
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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 3:07:13 AM

ares1214 said:
Arent many benchmarks out, but at that price, say goodbye 5770 and 5750 :lol: 

I agree :) 
A direct CU model at 129.00 right out of the gate. They are going to move some product.
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September 12, 2010 3:08:07 AM

Sounds great, if this card really does outperform my 8800GTS 640mb then I am buying probably tomorrow. It outperforms, is smaller, is more efficient, is cooler...and comes at a nice price tag. BTW any chance I can use my 8800GTS as a physics card or something like that?...if I already have it I might as well put it good use right?
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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 3:27:53 AM

Wow, that's a nice looking little card. Good on power too. Why haven't they got the benches out yet, I'm interested at how it does.
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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 3:32:17 AM

notty22 said:
I agree :) 
A direct CU model at 129.00 right out of the gate. They are going to move some product.


Here comes a pricing war :)  That undercuts or equals most or all 5750, and easily undercuts all 5770, most by atleast $20. It seems like it will completely beat the 5750, and be on par with the 5770. In another 3 years when they release the 455, it seems to be having 240 CUDA cores, and of course bumps in other areas. That should be priced a lot more on par with the 5770 yet beat it fairly well. Only problem i see is possible overlap with GTX 460 768 MB, and the fact that it will take NV a few years to release it :lol:  Today was a great day for budget people, the HAF 912 and GTS 450 will sell like MAD if you ask me. I might even pick up the former.
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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 3:34:12 AM

Cool, thanks. Whatever happened to doing both at the same time, at midnight. It was a lot more fun that way.
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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 3:40:37 AM

Those GTS 450 seem to be in stock now :lol:  Anyway, heres the best benchmark i can come up with, which isnt saying much:

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The GTS 450 competes with HD 5750 and is slightly faster by 8~10%.
- It’s half GF104.
- It has 32 Texture Units and 1 GPC.
- It consumes 31w more power than HD 5750 at load and 6w at idle.
- Temps are 57c at 70% fan , and 72c at default fan (FurMark Burn).
- Even with 1 GPC , it still beats HD 5750 at heaven by 29% @ 1900×1200.
- OC’ed to 1.0GHz core easily , which pumps up Vantages GPU score by 2000 Points.


http://gpudesign.bafree.net/nvidia-gts-450-full-review

This is reference GTS 450, not ASUS TOP. If the power consumption numbers are right, then it seems to be about the same load and idle power consumption as the 5770, maybe 5w higher in both. Those temps are fairly cryptic, but the load furmark seems to be running just a tad cooler than both the 5750 and 5770, but very close. FPS seems right on or barely below 5770. OC'ing seems very good, pushing about 30% clock rate increase. Sorry about the thread blackhawk, maybe this can help you pick a card.
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September 12, 2010 3:47:01 AM

it's will be 'officially' released on monday sept 13.
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September 12, 2010 3:53:51 AM

It seems like I can order it from newegg.com no problem. And I probably will :)  This card is going to be great, it will own my 8800GTS 640mb in everyway possible.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 4:33:06 AM

While the GTS 450 will certainly be a lot better than your 8800 GTS it is nowhere near as good as either version of the GTX 460. Considering your resolution is 1080p I highly recommend sticking with the GTX 460. The GTS 450 will be passable at that resolution for now but the GTX 460 is simply much more appropriate, especially if you want a card that will last you a while.
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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 12:48:43 PM

I agree, depending on the games you play, think of the 450 as a 5770 and the 460 as a 5850. If your a light gamer, you might be able to make it with a "5770". Odds are at that resolution, you need a "5850". BTW, you can sometimes get a 5850 on newegg for $225-250 with MIR, might be something to look into if you go 460 1 gig, which i recommend over the 450 and 460 768.
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September 12, 2010 3:10:49 PM

Thanks jyjjy and ares1214, those are some points to consider, but the thing is, the game I currently play, my card already does a great job with it, one of the games I play the card almost maxes and another it plays well with med/high settings mixed, all on 1080p resolution...so even a card mildly more powerful would probably already be a significant blast of power. But I am ordering today so I'll think a little and tell you which one I order.
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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 3:26:02 PM

Sure thing :)  Although keep in mind, if your current card is doing fine, might be wise to wait a month exactly for 6xxx release date, October 13th. Luckily, they are releasing the 6750 and 6770 first, which should be right in your price range. They seem to be amazing value cards, as my guess is 5850-5870 performance, minus $20-100 and some power consumption.
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September 12, 2010 4:14:08 PM

The people telling you the gtx 460 768mb is as good as the 1gb version are using overclocked 768mb cards and comparing them to stock 1gb cards. The MSI cyclone for example is pretty well oc'd out of the box and benchmarks show it outperforming a standard 1gb 460. But that's misleading because you can overclock your 460.

I think the 1gb is definitely worth the extra $30.
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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 5:32:39 PM

But right now its not 30 dollars its 50. The user might have to tailor is settings in some games at 1080, because of the 768 factor. But a knowledgable tuner will know when he's hit the wall. The fps just go away.
I think the 768 gtx 460 is a better buy for some than the 140 gts 450, but choice is good. :) 
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September 20, 2010 7:40:14 PM

Sorry I forgot to post back. But I ordered the EVGA Nvidia GTX460 768MB. I'll see how bad it beats out my 8800GTS 640MB. Even if I SLI'd an 8800GTS 640MB, would even then it be as powerful as a 460 or no?
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a b U Graphics card
September 20, 2010 9:49:31 PM

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/178?vs=156

In some games, possibly, but for the most part, the 8800GTS can scale over 100%, which is what it would need to do to achieve the fps of the 460. They would be fairly close though, which the 460 likely edging them out, and obviously being cooler, quieter, and consuming less power.
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September 20, 2010 11:06:46 PM

Well I am not a specialist in GPU's so help me out here, but according to what I've heard one the big "factors" in a GPU power is the pixel pipelines...in this case my 8800GTS has 96...and IDK if "Cuda Cores" are the same as pixel pipelines, but the GTX460 has 336. Thats 3.5 times more. Hard to believe that even in a SLI my 8800GTS would even come close to the 460.
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a c 332 U Graphics card
September 20, 2010 11:12:42 PM

blackhawk1928 said:
Well I am not a specialist in GPU's so help me out here, but according to what I've heard one the big "factors" in a GPU power is the pixel pipelines...in this case my 8800GTS has 96...and IDK if "Cuda Cores" are the same as pixel pipelines, but the GTX460 has 336. Thats 3.5 times more. Hard to believe that even in a SLI my 8800GTS would even come close to the 460.

They used to be known as Shader Processors but were renamed CUDA Cores by Nvidia a while back, that's what your card has 96 of.
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October 9, 2010 7:15:29 PM

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a c 332 U Graphics card
October 9, 2010 7:16:34 PM

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