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October 29, 2010 2:07:08 PM

First time poster, long time fan- mostly I just find some other poor schmuck like me with the exact same problem and I just piggyback on the topic but I wanted something more specific this time (That, and I also wanted to get involved more). If I posted inefficiently or didn’t post enough info, tell me and I’ll make corrections.

This will be the first computer that I put together with parts out of box. My general idea is to pair up a i7-930 CPU, with 2x GTX 470s in SLI
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Approximate Purchase Date: By the end of the year, maybe sooner.


Budget Range: $1000-$4000 (I don't want to spend money unnecessarily just for the cutting edge though)


System Usage: Gaming, Movies, Internet Surfing


Parts Not Required: Monitor, Mouse, Speakers

Corsair TX 750W Power Supply (I’m guessing 2 GTX 470s will have this thing begging for mercy so I probably have to upgrade)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Preferred Website(s) for Parts: www.Newegg.com


Country of Origin: United States


Parts Preferences: Most of what I've already picked out is centered around Intel chipsets but I have no particular preference.


Overclocking: Maybe


SLI or Crossfire: Yes, SLI (2 GTX 470s)


Monitor Resolution: 1920x1080


Additional Comments: A cooling friendly system is important to me, my main build right now has had heating problems in the past (Due to a Radeon 4870 x2) and I had to get VERY creative to make it behave.

Because of the heating implications of having 2 470s in SLI together, I’ve been unable to decide on a motherboard. Video card slots could be a problem if they’re located on top of each other (as that will build up heat); also is it better to have a motherboard that is PhysX ready? Or does it matter?
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This is what she looks like so far. Replacements, additions and criticisms appreciated.


Case: Cooler Master HAF 932 (I like the design, the room available and the conveniently placed usb slots)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Processor: i7-930 Quad 2.8GHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Aftermarket Processor Cooler: CORSAIR H50 (Because of the problems I see everyone having with stock cooling)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Thermal Paste: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


Graphics card: 2x EVGA GeForce GTX 470s
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


OS: Windows 7 Home Premium Full (Strongly leaning towards x64)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


This hits at about 1,028.93 which leaves quite a bit of legroom for the Motherboard and Power Supply and things like Sound Cards, DVD/Blueray drives, Hard Drives and Additional Cooling.

I’m not crazy about Overclocking, but I’m open to anything as long as I can keep everything cool and long lasting. No disintegration!

Advice? :??: 

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October 29, 2010 2:26:22 PM

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October 29, 2010 2:29:29 PM

For less than half of you budget:

x 58 chipset
i7 950
gtx 480
ssd for boot drive
1tb of storage
blue ray burner
h70 liquid cooling
6gb of memory
windows 7 home premium

This setup has all of the latest tech and room to expand down the road. It also has enough power to keep you going for several years without an upgrade.
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October 29, 2010 2:45:55 PM

cjp3212006 said:
For less than half of you budget:

x 58 chipset
i7 950
gtx 480
ssd for boot drive
1tb of storage
blue ray burner
h70 liquid cooling
6gb of memory
windows 7 home premium

This setup has all of the latest tech and room to expand down the road. It also has enough power to keep you going for several years without an upgrade.


Everyone I know who's tried SSD have had tremendous issues with them regarding them failing, especially as boot drives. How does it work out for you? Any problems?

I'm not a big fan of using water cooling all across the board, accidents happen, especially with luck like mine.

I hear that using SLI with two GTX 460s is enough to overtake the 480. That said, I had picked out the 470 line because not only because of the added power and efficient gains, but also because I think SLIing together two 480s would bottleneck the cpu. Unless you mean to just use the one 480.
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October 29, 2010 3:01:02 PM

I have never had a problem with an ssd. They greatly increase boot and load time.

The H70 is a self contained system. I suppose accidents could happen. If you are not comfortable with it, you could try one of these alternatives:

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler
$60

COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible Hyper N 520 RR-920-N520-GP 92mm Sleeve CPU Cooler
$40

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler
$30

As far as the video card goes, most people believe that it is always a better idea to purchase the best single card you can afford as opposed to two lower cards in SLI.
The only reason i suggested the 480 was so you would have room to expand down the road.

2 gtx 450's will match a gtx 470
2 gtx 460's will match a single gtx480
2 gtx 470's will kill a single gtx 480
and 2 gtx 480's will obliterate any thing you throw at it.

another option for the video card would to purchase a lower level card such as the gtx 460 and then upgrade to the new 500 series cards that are coming out next year.
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October 29, 2010 3:03:14 PM

gtx 580 will be out by the end of this year.
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October 29, 2010 3:09:22 PM

Cool, I'll try out SSD then; What size/model do you recommend as a boot and app device?
I may end up using two 480s instead of 470s depending on how I how build the rest of the computer.

Can you recommend a good Motherboard model for this? I can't seem to find one with adequate spacing, but then, I'm no expert either. This also brings up questions about the most efficient memory to use and such.

But, that's why I'm here.
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October 29, 2010 3:24:02 PM

If you use a lot of applications on you pc then i would suggest at least an 80GB ssd.
Cost about $200

If not then you could get away with a 40 or 50 GB ssd.
cost a little over a $100

Remember that Windows 7 64-bit will take 20GB of space on your ssd.
As far as model i like intel or OCZ. They are both reliable brands.

It really all depended on what you plan to put on your pc.

For the mother board what do you mean by adequate spacing. Are you talking about the PCI slots being to close together. When you use two Gtx 400 cards they will sit very very close to each other. Usually with less than an 1/8 of an inch between them. This is normal. The top card will general run hotter than the bottom. That is why it is important to have a case with good circulation. The CM690 II advanced that i recommended has space for 11 fans or 8 fans and two radiators for liquid cooling.
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October 29, 2010 3:33:14 PM

As far as the memory goes, The Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 6GB that i posted above is an excellent choice. Another good choice would be:

CORSAIR DOMINATOR 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Triple Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model TR3X6G1600C8D
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October 29, 2010 4:56:03 PM

With the current pricing you could get 3x GTX470 for less than 2x GTX480 I believe. And 3x GTX470 would perform much better.

GTX470's are starting at $260 on Newegg currently, while GTX480's are around $450. So you have 3x GTX470's for ~$100 less than 2x GTX480's.

Yes you will probably have to spend roughly $50 extra to make the former work, but the performance will be much better.

The GTX480 is charging you a huge top end tax atm, to the tune of $150 over what it should run compared to the GTX470 price/performance.
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October 29, 2010 11:29:30 PM

Yargnit said:
With the current pricing you could get 3x GTX470 for less than 2x GTX480 I believe. And 3x GTX470 would perform much better.

GTX470's are starting at $260 on Newegg currently, while GTX480's are around $450. So you have 3x GTX470's for ~$100 less than 2x GTX480's.

Yes you will probably have to spend roughly $50 extra to make the former work, but the performance will be much better.

The GTX480 is charging you a huge top end tax atm, to the tune of $150 over what it should run compared to the GTX470 price/performance.



Is it really worth it to SLI three 470's? I've done some more research, and it doesn't look like any processor will perform adequately with 2 480's. I still think 2 470's is the best choice. It'll still bottleneck on lower resolutions but on the one I have listed I believe it will outperform 2 460s at a reasonable level.

So the HAF 932 isn't a good choice for the setup I have?
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October 30, 2010 12:03:13 AM

The best case is Silverstone Raven 2, it has amazing airflow due to the motherboard rotation.
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October 30, 2010 10:43:59 AM

Thanks for the input. I'll check it out.
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October 30, 2010 8:11:09 PM

^ sounds good, in the case, the hot air naturally goes up and out of the case, and with the help of 3 massive fans ( all with filters i might add).
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October 31, 2010 2:46:05 AM

2 470s is overkill for you resolution. I have a single 5870 at 1920x1080 and the only graphical compromises I have had to make was turning off anti-aliasing in Crysis.
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October 31, 2010 11:49:02 AM

wortwortwort said:
2 470s is overkill for you resolution. I have a single 5870 at 1920x1080 and the only graphical compromises I have had to make was turning off anti-aliasing in Crysis.


Most benchmarks I've seen show almost a double in fps in mid high resolutions like the 1900x1200 area. That's overkill justified.

I have a dual GPU video card (HD Radeon 4870 X2) right now and it works great on everything. It's kind of outdated but I'd probably stick with it for another year if not for the extreme cooling problems. The two of these won't be in a self contained unit so I bet cooling will be much easier.
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October 31, 2010 12:31:09 PM

wortwortwort said:
2 470s is overkill for you resolution. I have a single 5870 at 1920x1080 and the only graphical compromises I have had to make was turning off anti-aliasing in Crysis.


Would he have to do that with 2 GTX 470? Nope, and he will end up having way more fps when playing anygame. If he can afford it why would you want him to get an older card. If he was gunna go with the red team then I would tell him to wait because they have just been releasing new 6000's cards.

If he asks me I think that 2 GTX 470 is just right for him, if it becomes to pricey when you go to checkout just go with two GTX 460 1GB
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