Rate my RIG .Please

[8Vidia]

hi guys , after many reseraches i found the rig that wished for & matches with the Money that i have .
Take a look & rate THEM out from 10 or say something about that .

CPU: Core i5-760 Quad 2.8GHz
MOBO: GA P55A UD3
VGA: ATI 5850 HD 1GB
RAM: KingMax 2x2GB DDR3 1333MHZ
PSU: GREEN - GP885B

If some parts are not suitable please suggest other brand or model , but not more expensive model !

 

[Wolygon]

Hello it depends what your doing with your PC. If its a gaming PC I would suggest getting the Phenom II 955 instead.

Also the 6870 is better then the 5850 and often cheaper. Also that board does not support x8/x8 crossfire which means it is not good for crossfire, you should consider this.

I would prefer better branded RAM (unless thats Kingston) like Corsair, Mushkin, G.SKill, etc.

I would also prefer a good PSU. I'm not sure if that is a good PSU but if its brand name is "Green" then it likely is not as I've never heard of it. Get a quality PSU like Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, etc.

Assuming this is a gaming PC
In its current state: 5
With new PSU, RAM, 6870: 8
Replace CPU: 9

Hope this helps.

 

[8Vidia]

Ya it helped , now listen , i dont wanna SLI or CF or even oc any part , just wanna run single 5850 or 6870 at 16X with that mobo & u think that Kingmax is bad RAM ?
& Phenom II 955 is lower than i5 760 in benchmarks . i heard that 6870 is lower than 5850 in performance & speed . i am using 1440 rez

 

[Wolygon]

Of course the 955 is lower then the i5 in benchmarks, but not gaming benchmarks unless your talking about 5870 crossfire. Its like saying that the 980X gets better benchmark results so I'm going to buy that for my gaming PC which has a single 5870.

I'm not saying Kingmax is bad RAM but why buy it when its not name brand and thus could be of questionable quality.

If you are not only gaming then the i5 may be justified. Though I could counter this by saying that you should get the 1055T instead.

6870 being lower then 5850 is a lie. Heres some benchmarks, it also scales way better in XFire.
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/ATI/Radeon_HD_6870_CrossFire/23.html

With 1440x900 resolution a 5850 or 6870 will be pretty overkill. Maybe you should be looking at getting a new monitor or may be a 6850 would be more suiting.

If your an intel fanboy an i3 530 will do your 5850 fine as well.

 

[8Vidia]

oh i3 530 ? its low for me , & then T1055 is lower than i5 760 at GAMES ! i saw in benchmarks i swear !

 

[8Vidia]

Is 6870 Cheaper than 5850 ? if it is then i will go for that . & then i compared many AMD with intel i5 760 , i5 is realy good . it beats even T1099 ( correct me , i mean last T1000 series from AMD ) for Being about 10 % higer in works & 30 % higher in games Whereas T1099 is 6 cores , but it sucks ! now what

 

[Wolygon]

With normal prices the 6870 is cheaper $240 compared to around $255 though with a rebate you can get the 5850 for $200:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127500&cm_re=5850-_-14-127-500-_-Product
This would probably be the best deal at the moment, I would recommend this option.

Yes the i5 is better at gaming then any other CPU (on par with i7 9XX). The thing is your not running 5870 XFire so you don't need that much CPU performance. If you were running 5870 XFire you would want the i5 as the performance loss is high when dropping to the Phenom. Though with just running a single 5850 the Phenom can keep up and thus the graphics card becomes the bottleneck.

Its like saying your going to see more performance from your HD4830 when you upgrade from a C2Q to an i7. The gaming performance doesn't exist so it can't magically be made by the extra power from the CPU. This is what we call a GPU bottleneck.

Here is some benchmarks, note that this is with a HD5870:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/radeon-hd5870-cpu-scaling_4.html

Heres a part taken from the conclusion:
"Now, I’ll try to sum everything up. First of all, the single Radeon HD 5870 does not depend as much on the CPU as it is supposed to. According to my tests (the left part of the diagrams), the Radeon HD 5870 is quite satisfied with an overclocked dual-core CPU manufactured two years ago. And you can even leave the CPU at its default frequency at the high-quality settings and 1920x1200. The only exceptions are Left 4 Dead and Warhammer 40000: Dawn of War II. The former game is not a problem for modern top-end Radeons while the latter, on the contrary, calls for a quad-core CPU, preferably from Intel."

Its the 1090T by the way and it will beat the i5 in CPU intensive workloads.

 

[8Vidia]

2 thing:
1.u think that i5 760 that is to much high for 5850 will bottleneck 5850 instead of provide him ?
2.& about 6870 i read from other site that every thing of 6870 is reduced of 5850 like MHZ , transistors & every other thing ... so how it can be higher !

 

[dave0305]

Wolygon has got it all right,if you only gaming then AMD 955/965 is the way to go.
Wolygon why don't you just show him a full build with AMD 955, 6870 and CF capable mobo? Here is one:
ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product $139.99
( you can crossfire in a future if you need to with this mobo.)

HIS H687F1G2M Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] PCI$239.99 ( new very good performance and very low power combustion.)

CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-620HX 620W ATX12V v2.2 and EPS12V 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] %20andWas: $169.99 Now: $99.99 ( i choosed this PSU because it's a HX not a TX and it's really cheap but very good PSU.)


AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ955FBGMBOX
and
2. COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.374228 Combo Price: $164.98
( plenty enough for gaming, easy for overclocking)

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231303&cm_re=G.SKILL_Ripjaws_Series_4GB_%282_x_2GB%29_240-Pin_DDR3-_-20-231-303-_-Product $89.99 ( this is a good quality ram due to it's Cas Latency 7 and it's price. The lower the cas latency the better.)

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] k=f3%201TB $69.99 (highly recommended)

LG DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model GH24NS50 - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136177&Tpk=LG%20DVD%20Burner%20-%20Bulk%20Black%20SATA%20Model%20GH24NS50 $17

Sub total: $821.93

 

[Wolygon]

1. Yes the 5850 is a large bottleneck and thus the i5 will be wasted. Therefore getting a less powerful CPU won't impact on gaming performance.
2. I don't care what the specs say the benchmarks are all that matter. Besides clockspeed is up a ton. Read this if you want to know more:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-hd-6870-radeon-hd-6850-barts,2776-2.html

@dave
I didn't because he was not convinced and I didn't see how a build would help.

 

[dave0305]

2 thing:
1.u think that i5 760 that is to much high for 5850 will bottleneck 5850 instead of provide him ?
2.& about 6870 i read from other site that every thing of 6870 is reduced of 5850 like MHZ , transistors & every other thing ... so how it can be higher !

What do you mean?

Look at this benchmark and stop complaining, you asked for help, so we are helping you by telling you the facts.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=628&Itemid=72&limit=1&limitstart=9

You can see that the 6870 is slightly better then the 5850, 6870 also has some new features so it is way better. It also scales better in CF.

 

[8Vidia]

i mean : he said that i5 760 is too high for 5850 , it means that 5850 gonna take his 100% power from CPu & large amount of CPU speed will be wasted because there is no use of them ? or 5850 gonna take performance hit ( because i5 is too hihg for it ) ?

Any way if i get i5 760 with 5850 i will get performance hit ? or many unused Performance that gona be waste ( like we have 100% but only 40 % is usable , like that ? )

 

[dave0305]

i mean : he said that i5 760 is too high for 5850 , it means that 5850 gonna take his 100% power from CPu & large amount of CPU speed will be wasted because there is no use of them ? or 5850 gonna take performance hit ( because i5 is too hihg for it ) ?

Any way if i get i5 760 with 5850 i will get performance hit ? or many unused Performance that gona be waste ( like we have 100% but only 40 % is usable , like that ? )

if you get the i5 that will not mean you will get unused performance or somethink like that you will just have the space for another 5850 to go into CF. But if you not willing to crossfire and one card is enough for you then go for i3 or the AMD 955 ( i recommend and many other people would) thats great for gaming.

 

[8Vidia]

why i should get lower CPU when higher is available for suitable price & canprovide me for next 2 or 3 years ? even it is good for CF if i wanna CF in future ( just image ) ? why do u want me to get lower CPU ( specialy amd )

 

[dave0305]

I sed get it only if you not willing to CF. Also the AMD will provide you for 2-3 years as well and is also capable of CF, also if you spend only $130 on the AMD you can spend a bit more on the GPU. So think.

 

[8Vidia]

When 6870 will be published in all around the world ? just like 5850 ? & those Prices ( which were cheaper than 5850 ) will be Fixed ? or they will higher the price for better selling ?

 

[8Vidia]

So that AMD suggestion was only for not CFing plan , ok , so if i get i5 760 i will have no PROBLEM . no ?

 

[dave0305]

When 6870 will be published in all around the world ? just like 5850 ? & those Prices ( which were cheaper than 5850 ) will be Fixed ? or they will higher the price for better selling ?

Don't know about that, and onlisly, no one knows about that you can only guess. But for now the 6870 is quiet cheap for the performance and new features that it provides.

 

[8Vidia]

But its not Published Yet ! Ok please answer my next question .

 

[dave0305]

But its not Published Yet ! Ok please answer my next question .

what hasn't been published? and what's your next question?

 

[Wolygon]

Yes the AMD option was ideally for non crossfire. Though I mentioned that you should get a x8/x8 board if you want to XFire and you said you were not interested.

If you think now that there is a chance you will crossfire but it is not large then still go with a difference CPU. The point to getting a different CPU is so you can save money on a CPU you won't use.

"why do u want me to get lower CPU ( specialy amd ) "
Sounding like an intel fanboy here.

More proof of i5 being overkill for 5850 is here with the i3 and Phenom II. Note that there is not i5 but the i7 850 is exactly the same in gaming.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i3-gaming,2588.html

 

[8Vidia]

Ok thanks , i didnt understand only one thing : P55A UD3 will run Single 5850 at 16X , but that mobo is not good for Crossfire because it will run at 8x or 4x .
is P55A UD3 Suitable for 5850 ? ( will 5850 run at 16X )

second thing : i am not Intel fan boy , i prefer better things , i have worked with intel for many years , when i found i5 760 that were much higher than Q9650 ( which is so expensive than i5 760 ) i understaood that its the thing that i realy wanted , but it is just feeling , I looking for RIG that i wont upgrade it for atleast 2-4 years !

 

[Wolygon]

I don't get you as you listed the same two motherboards. Heres a guide on it:
http://www.hardware-revolution.com/p55-motherboards-crossfire-sli-performance-problem/

 

[8Vidia]

What do u mean ? i listed GA P55A UD3 & ASUS P7P55A e , different brands
how cant u get it ? oh i think i can buy this too GA P55A UD3P , what do u think about it ? but first please rate those mobos first then Compare all 3 with together

 

[Wolygon]

"P55A UD3 will run Single 5850 at 16X , but that mobo is not good for Crossfire because it will run at 8x or 4x .
is P55A UD3 Suitable for 5850 ? ( will 5850 run at 16X ) "

Eh?

Just look at that guide and pick one from the recommended list.