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November 1, 2010 8:53:06 PM

Approximate Purchase Date: Sometime this month.


Budget Range: 1000-1500


System Usage from Most to Least Important: Gaming and normal office usage


Parts Not Required: Keyboard, mouse, speakers, headset, OS.


Preferred Website(s) for Parts: Newegg.com


Country of Origin: US


Parts Preferences: by brand or type AMD CPU, any reliable brand.


Overclocking: Maybe


SLI or Crossfire: Possibly in future


Monitor Resolution: 1900x1080


Additional Comments: Case with window, few heat issues.

Not going to lie I know little of building computers and compatibility issues, hoping to learn though.

Looking at:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: Antec TruePower New TP-750 Blue 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Boot Drive: OCZ Agility 2 OCZSSD2-2AGTE60G 2.5" 60GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Storage Drive: Western Digital Caviar Green WD20EARS 2TB 64MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM I have no idea how much would be needed and how much is too much, Initial idea had me at
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The case I had originally selected a friend said wouldn't have enough airflow for the PSU and CPU.. No idea if I can trust his word though.
LIAN LI PC-8N Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard little idea beyond:
ASUS M4A88TD-V EVO/USB3 AM3 AMD 880G HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also looking for a video card, evga GTX 460 possibly?

Let me know if I'm missing an important component.

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November 2, 2010 6:36:06 PM

@COLGeek; Okay, I do hear Nvidia cards have heat issues which is a concern so I'll look into the 6870.
Again with the heat, the case has enough airflow and fans? A friend recommended the
NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Last question for now is if the RAM is good for gaming and will work on the Motherboard?

Thank you.

~CaptainMal
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November 2, 2010 6:45:22 PM

CaptainMal said:
@COLGeek; Okay, I do hear Nvidia cards have heat issues which is a concern so I'll look into the 6870.
Again with the heat, the case has enough airflow and fans? A friend recommended the
NZXT Phantom PHAN-001BK Black Steel / Plastic ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Last question for now is if the RAM is good for gaming and will work on the Motherboard?

Thank you.

~CaptainMal


I'd go with 2 6850's if it fits in the budget.
or 1 6870 and get a 2nd one later.
the ram works yes, but I'd only get 4GB, 4GB is good for gaming save some money there.
November 2, 2010 6:46:56 PM

The RAM is good to go and should work just fine. I prefer the Lian-Li, but either will work just as well. Up to your style preference.
November 2, 2010 7:01:03 PM

As a minimalist I prefer the Lian-Li but if i put were to put two 6850s in there would it get hot and overheat? Function as well as style :)  Plus the Lian-Li has a window :D  I would like to put an LED cathode in there.

As for the Spinpoint F4 its a 5400RPM Drive does it matter less if its a storage drive?

With the RAM I would prefer to save money on it if 4gigs is fine and maybe buy a second GPU.
Was also thinking about:

Crucial Ballistix 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
November 2, 2010 7:08:00 PM

The WD one you have selected has 95 1 egg reviews because of DOA's. the Spinpoint has 3.
I also believe the Spinpoint is faster.

4gigs is good for gaming. only time you'd need 8 is for video editing, encoding, etc..

I prefer G.skill RAM myself.
November 2, 2010 7:12:20 PM

About the PSU. Its 750watts will that be enough for the possibility of two 6850s and also two monitors?

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And aftermarket CPU cooler/heatsink are they useful or is the stock heatsink for the Phenom II x4 965 good.


Thank You,
Captain Mal
November 2, 2010 7:12:59 PM

Hey Cap'n! welcome to Toms

why dont you get River to take a looksie and see what she builds? :p 
if ofc she can spare the time from pouring soup in peoples hair, always a hoot and no-one gets hurt hehe
Moto
November 2, 2010 7:18:07 PM

Motopsychojdn said:
Hey Cap'n! welcome to Toms

why dont you get River to take a looksie and see what she builds? :p 
if ofc she can spare the time from pouring soup in peoples hair, always a hoot and no-one dies hehe
Moto


Always good to see another Firefly fan :D 
November 2, 2010 7:19:31 PM

CaptainMal said:
About the PSU. Its 750watts will that be enough for the possibility of two 6850s and also two monitors?

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And aftermarket CPU cooler/heatsink are they useful or is the stock heatsink for the Phenom II x4 965 good.


Thank You,
Captain Mal

I suck at Power haha, but I think it is. Thats whats in my plans for my 6850's. (building in Dec).

as for amd cpu stock coolers I'm not sure because I have been reading up on intel since thats what I'm using for my build.

but heres the best bang for the buck aftermarket cooler - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065&cm_re=hyper_212-_-35-103-065-_-Product $30
November 2, 2010 7:22:45 PM

What is a decent brand of CPU? I was going to go with EVGA or XFX for the GTX 460.
November 2, 2010 7:28:50 PM

CaptainMal said:
What is a decent brand of CPU? I was going to go with EVGA or XFX for the GTX 460.


I'm just gonna assume you meant GPU :D .
and EVGA, XFX, Sapphire, HIS, those MSI Cyclone gtx 460's, are all good.. most people just pick the cheapest of those, but one thing to watch for is maybe pick the one with the longest warranty if its not to much extra.
and the looks of the card if that matters to you.
November 2, 2010 7:32:16 PM

vindictive said:
I'm just gonna assume you meant GPU :D .
and EVGA, XFX, Sapphire, HIS, those MSI Cyclone gtx 460's, are all good.. most people just pick the cheapest of those, but one thing to watch for is maybe pick the one with the longest warranty if its not to much extra.


Last post was badly worded :D 
I did mean GPU and i should have specified that I was probably going with the ATI 6850s and I was looking when I was looking at the GTX 460 earlier this week I was looking at evga. So for the 6850s is Sapphire good?
November 2, 2010 7:33:32 PM

Sapphire is great and is my preferred GPU maker. Also, the Lian-Li will handle the heat just fine.
November 2, 2010 7:35:20 PM

CaptainMal said:
Last post was badly worded :D 
I did mean GPU and i should have specified that I was probably going with the ATI 6850s and I was looking when I was looking at the GTX 460 earlier this week I was looking at evga. So for the 6850s is Sapphire good?


yes, + sapphire comes with an HDMI cable. (once again I'm using Sapphire 6850's on my build). and for those it was between Sapphire or HIS for me. Picked Sapphire because its often in bundles with other products (unlike HIS) and comes with the HDMI cable.
November 2, 2010 7:37:19 PM

vindictive said:
yes, + sapphire comes with an HDMI cable. (once again I'm using Sapphire 6850's on my build). and for those it was between Sapphire or HIS for me. Picked Sapphire because its often in bundles with other products (unlike HIS) and comes with the HDMI cable.


Okay, thank you, COLGeek & Vindictive sapphire it is :D 
November 2, 2010 7:42:00 PM

CaptainMal said:
Okay, thank you, COLGeek & Vindictive sapphire it is :D 

oh i just realized. you don't want that mobo, it does x16x4 with two GPU's. I'm building your package for you as we speak, I'll post in a sec

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November 2, 2010 8:05:51 PM
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Sapphire Radeon 6850 x 2 = $360 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102908

ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard + AMD Phenom II X4 965 BE = $350 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.526576

Antec TP-750 Blue = $120 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371022

OCZ Agility 2 60GB = $145 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227542

HAF 922 = $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119197 (this case is way better than the lian li case.. the airflow is horrid on that case, way less slots for drives.. + this is cheaper)

G.Skill DDR3 1600 Dual Channel 4GB (2x2GB) = $75 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277

Hyper 212 CPU heatsink+cooler = $30 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

Samsung Spinpoint F4 2TB = $90 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152245

Shin-Etsu TIM = $5 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835150080

(rounded figures above)
Total = $1,264.84
November 2, 2010 8:13:38 PM

Hmm Okay, waiting for links but 2ish things.

First that Case the HAF 922 not wild about the looks, mostly its the red LED in the front. Is that standard? If it is is there a way to disable it?

Second, WTH is the Shin-Etsu TIM?....

Not really a problem, just that Motherboard is somewhat expensive.

Thanks a ton.

~Mal
November 2, 2010 8:19:50 PM

CaptainMal said:
Hmm Okay, waiting for links but 2ish things.

First that Case the HAF 922 not wild about the looks, mostly its the red LED in the front. Is that standard? If it is is there a way to disable it?

Second, WTH is the Shin-Etsu TIM?....

Not really a problem, just that Motherboard is somewhat expensive.

Thanks a ton.

~Mal

the led has an off/on switch. and just substitute whatever case you want. The lian li has only 2 fans and not allot of HDD space + cost more. Haf 922 is a very common case.

Shin-Etsu Thermal compound to mount the CPU Cooler with.

The mobo can run up to three graphics cards, and the sound is actually good on it.
6 Sata 6.0GB/s connections.
2 usb 3.0
+its in a combo with the cpu, would you like me to try and find a diff mobo?
November 2, 2010 8:35:12 PM

vindictive said:
the led has an off/on switch. and just substitute whatever case you want. The lian li has only 2 fans and not allot of HDD space + cost more. Haf 922 is a very common case.

Shin-Etsu Thermal compound to mount the CPU Cooler with.

The mobo can run up to three graphics cards, and the sound is actually good on it.
6 Sata 6.0GB/s connections.
2 usb 3.0
+its in a combo with the cpu, would you like me to try and find a diff mobo?


Well the mobo is awesome, but I guess buy better stuff now and not replace it latter.

Shin-Etsu Thermal compound got it.

I'll have to look at the case, the switch is good -- not wild about red was going to go with blue :) 
November 2, 2010 8:51:13 PM

HAHA, true, you get style points for the debit master card quote.
Will probably go with that since though.
Its all compatible? All of this will come out of the box, will install, and work?

Plus there is a "black november" deal for 5 bucks off shipping for cases, lol.

Edit Free shipping :D 
November 2, 2010 8:58:16 PM

yessir.
like everything?
November 2, 2010 9:00:56 PM

vindictive said:
yessir.
like everything?


Everything as in your making sure I mean the components or are you asking about the free shipping thing?
Its free shipping on cases :)  shoulda specified, november 2nd coupon code they have.
November 2, 2010 9:11:39 PM

no no no do you like everything I picked lol
November 2, 2010 9:14:22 PM

LOL, sorry, yeah all looks amazing.
But will it run crysis :D 
November 2, 2010 9:27:52 PM

Best answer selected by CaptainMal.
November 2, 2010 10:08:50 PM

should be fine at 1900x1080 i saw a benchmark before and it was good. I can't find it now lol.
my internet is sucking ass right now.
November 2, 2010 10:33:14 PM

LOL was a slightly sarcastic question but thats good to know, one question two 6850s or the 6870?

Edit: Also, that heatsink & fan that will fit in the case correct? I'm reading reviews and a few people say its quite large.
November 2, 2010 10:54:00 PM

CaptainMal said:
LOL was a slightly sarcastic question but thats good to know, one question two 6850s or the 6870?

Edit: Also, that heatsink & fan that will fit in the case correct? I'm reading reviews and a few people say its quite large.


two 6850's. You can OC them to the max possible setting that comes with the cards drivers, (AMD overdrive i think its called) full makes them match the 6870 and the temps are just fine :D .

the 212 is around 8.2 inches tall I believe (the mobo will be installed vertically obviously so look at the width of the case.) I checked the width of the case before but I forgot what it said and I my internet sucks to much to check at the moment haha.
November 2, 2010 11:54:32 PM

vindictive said:
two 6850's. You can OC them to the max possible setting that comes with the cards drivers, (AMD overdrive i think its called) full makes them match the 6870 and the temps are just fine :D .

the 212 is around 8.2 inches tall I believe (the mobo will be installed vertically obviously so look at the width of the case.) I checked the width of the case before but I forgot what it said and I my internet sucks to much to check at the moment haha.


I believe it said 10inches wide *cringe* might JUST fit not sure again I'm not a computer genius this is my first build.
And overclocking that high, doesn't it reduce the lifespan dramatically?
November 3, 2010 1:27:43 AM

it will fit. lol. I actually switched my build to use the haf 922 blue edition as well cuz the haf -x cost to much and is too big to carry.

its actually not a high overclock 150MHz i think?
November 3, 2010 2:28:05 AM

Hmm, and would the NZXT phantom be okay? :)  I really like the look of that case it grows on me but I'm not sure about the price *cringe*
And as long as the OC doesn't kill the video cards.
November 3, 2010 12:33:01 PM

Cooling looks good, has a painted interior.

"Maximum Compatibility: Large Heat sinks, Graphics and E-ATX Support"
although its only 8.74" wide so I'm not sure if the hyper 212 will fit.
I went to there website the hyper 212 is 6.240145" tall.
November 3, 2010 4:55:09 PM

Combo on the mobo/CPU is gone :( 
As for the case, okay might spring for it, but the haf 922 looks kinda cool.
November 3, 2010 5:49:06 PM

It's because overnight they upped the price on the CPU $15 :( 
November 3, 2010 6:05:02 PM

CaptainMal said:
It's because overnight they upped the price on the CPU $15 :( 


Oooh, lame.
well if you wanna wait I'm sure it'll go down by the end of the month.
November 3, 2010 8:38:34 PM

Just checked Newegg.com again, they upped it 15 bucks then dropped it 10 O.o
Will probably wait for the daily deal on GPUs, take off some money on those 6850s.
November 3, 2010 9:03:19 PM

if you want check out buy.com or microcenter.com I bought my Nvidia GTX 470 from Buy.com for 205+5 shipping (oh btw it was EVGA) where as on newegg this product was over 250$ (they gave you a free mafia 2 game but I dont really enjoy grandtheft auto open sandbox style.. wait going off on tangent...) Any way just saying some times there are better deals out there just have to look.
November 3, 2010 9:31:06 PM

Although if you buy in bulk the price goes down. So sometimes its better to buy from one place.
Just go to diff sites if you want and add the items to your "cart" and see how much it all adds up and such.
November 4, 2010 2:48:50 AM

vindictive said:
Although if you buy in bulk the price goes down. So sometimes its better to buy from one place.
Just go to diff sites if you want and add the items to your "cart" and see how much it all adds up and such.


Do you mean because of combo deals? or you talking about because your buying every thing they have some kind of loyalty/price bracket coupon? If so then let me know how because I will order all of my parts from them if the savings is significant.
November 4, 2010 2:20:27 PM

Combo's and I believe its cut down a little, I'm not sure though. I think shipping goes down some.
theres a thing on tomshardware that says where to buy from. My internet sucks today so I can't go find a link sorry.
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