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September 12, 2010 9:49:18 PM

Hey'a there, I am very naive about computer's and system requirements and I would really appreciate someone who knows what they are talking about to help me.

I am moving my computer into another case, so I can get a better graphics card. The cards a GeForce GTX 460 and it requires 450 watts of power, how large of a power supply should I get? also, how fast does my PCI express need to be for the card and how can I find out how fast it is? and lastly I have a Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2200 2.20 GHz processor how will that do with the card I am trying to get? thanks I would be appreciative any help.

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a b U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 9:54:16 PM

Whats everything you have right now (CPU/Mobo/Case/PSU/GPU/Monitor) and your budget for the upgrade?

A quality 400W like the CX430/Neo Eco 400W will run a GTX460 fine, but your CPU now is going to hold it back big time.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 9:54:31 PM

you have a lot of questions and possible issues.

what windows operating system are you running?
what is your current video card?
your current power supply?
your monitor's native resolution?
your budget for upgrades? are in the USA , England, or Canada?
can you over clock your CPU? most DELL, Gateway, HP, etc., will not let you do it.
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September 12, 2010 11:11:41 PM

ct1615 said:
you have a lot of questions and possible issues.

what windows operating system are you running?
what is your current video card?
your current power supply?
your monitor's native resolution?
your budget for upgrades? are in the USA , England, or Canada?
can you over clock your CPU? most DELL, Gateway, HP, etc., will not let you do it.


Hey'a, thanks for responding!


I am operating on Windows Vista as a operating system.


I've got a ATI Radeon HD 3450 at the moment.


my current power supply is about 250 watts max.


1440 by 900 pixels.


about... $400 max and I am in the United States


I have no idea what "clocking" is sorry! you would have too let me in on that.


Thank's, I hope this helps your question.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 11:17:08 PM

well you need to upgrade in 3 (maybe 4 areas) and I'll list them in order.

1) a new PSU. a good 450-500w unit will let you upgrade to just about any single video card. timop mentioned a few. my personal choice

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2) video card. The GTX 460 is a great card but an ATI 5770 ver 2.0 is more then enough for your resolution. If you want to go with Nvidia, get the GTS 450. Both offer similar performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the GTS 450 launches monday or tuesday
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

3) a new CPU and/or motherboard. what motherboard do you currently have? you can then look at CPU that are supported by the BIOS.

4) 3-4GB of RAM for Vista (forgot to ask you how much you have)

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September 12, 2010 11:20:25 PM

Timop said:
Whats everything you have right now (CPU/Mobo/Case/PSU/GPU/Monitor) and your budget for the upgrade?

A quality 400W like the CX430/Neo Eco 400W will run a GTX460 fine, but your CPU now is going to hold it back big time.

To answer your questions!


My processor's a Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2200 2.20GHz 2.20GHZ


The Motherboard is a Foxconn G33m02 mATX.


The Case is a Cooler Master RC-922M-KKN1-GP It's much bigger then my current model.


how do I find the graphic processing units? I have not the slightest idea.


I have a 250 Watt power supply.


and my monitor is a Generic PnP Monitor I think it's about 19-22 inches?


thanks so much for responding.
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September 12, 2010 11:24:44 PM

ct1615 said:
well you need to upgrade in 3 (maybe 4 areas) and I'll list them in order.

1) a new PSU. a good 450-500w unit will let you upgrade to just about any single video card. timop mentioned a few. my personal choice

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2) video card. The GTX 460 is a great card but an ATI 5770 ver 2.0 is more then enough for your resolution. If you want to go with Nvidia, get the GTS 450. Both offer similar performance.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the GTS 450 launches monday or tuesday
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=E...

3) a new CPU and/or motherboard. what motherboard do you currently have? you can then look at CPU that are supported by the BIOS.

4) 3-4GB of RAM for Vista (forgot to ask you how much you have)


I have 4 Gigs of ram for Vista, and I have a Foxconn G33m02 mATX as my Motherboard, Yeah I could settle for the 450 as well It's probably less Watts right? also.. do you recommend getting a better processor? and also how much will the 450 cost? if you know at all, thank you very much.
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September 12, 2010 11:44:36 PM

ct1615 said:
here is your CPU support list

http://www.foxconnsupport.com/cpusupportlist.aspx?type=...


oh wow, thanks I've been trying to find this out, addict what kind of processor do you recommend to compliment the type of graphics card I am going for? I see a list.. but as naive about computers as I am, I cannot really say what would work and what wouldn't you know?
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a c 236 U Graphics card
September 12, 2010 11:47:01 PM

Akuma20 said:
I have 4 Gigs of ram for Vista, and I have a Foxconn G33m02 mATX as my Motherboard, Yeah I could settle for the 450 as well It's probably less Watts right? also.. do you recommend getting a better processor? and also how much will the 450 cost? if you know at all, thank you very much.



this E5400 would be a nice upgrade for the price, especially if you over clock it

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or if you find a used e7200, 7400,7500 or E8200, 8400, 8500. new they are rather expensive for an old CPU. they start at $130 on newegg

the GTS 450 should be at $150.
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September 12, 2010 11:54:35 PM

hmm.. I have no idea what "overclocking" is, and or how to even do it. I've heard bad things about it though such as it "ruins" your computer, so that choice for processor is much better then the one I have right now I take it?
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a c 236 U Graphics card
September 13, 2010 12:08:08 AM

Akuma20 said:
hmm.. I have no idea what "overclocking" is, and or how to even do it. I've heard bad things about it though such as it "ruins" your computer, so that choice for processor is much better then the one I have right now I take it?


it does not ruin your CPU at all. Tom's has a forum dedicated to overclocking with plenty of helpful people to show you how its done. It lets you get the most for your dollar. as far as the two CPUs at stock levels, i linked some benchmarks with the E5300 (they did not have the e5400)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/98?vs=67
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September 13, 2010 12:14:42 AM

ct1615 said:
it does not ruin your CPU at all. Tom's has a forum dedicated to overclocking with plenty of helpful people to show you how its done. It lets you get the most for your dollar. as far as the two CPUs at stock levels, i linked some benchmarks with the E5300 (they did not have the e5400)

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/98?vs=67


Very awesome, how many Watts is the 450 graphics card do you know? also, are there any better processor's then what you linked me? I could spend a bit more on a processor, just need to make sure I have the Watts too support everything, you've been a tremendous help in this entire situation!
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September 13, 2010 12:24:32 AM

Hey, my friends dad also told me that I need to find out how fast my PSI express is in order for some processors to work is that true? something along those lines and if it is how can I find out the specifics?
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September 13, 2010 12:50:07 AM

Also, it seems like there's a bit of a problem here that processor's 65 Watts, and the 460 graphics card that I was looking at was 450 Watts, you recommended the 520 Watt power supply however if you add both of those together that's 515 Watts, Will I have enough power to power my computer? that seems like I am pushing it. How much extra power do I really need?
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a c 236 U Graphics card
September 13, 2010 12:52:23 AM

Akuma20 said:
Very awesome, how many Watts is the 450 graphics card do you know? also, are there any better processor's then what you linked me? I could spend a bit more on a processor, just need to make sure I have the Watts too support everything, you've been a tremendous help in this entire situation!


benchmarks will come out this week but it should be around 10-11 amps on the 12v
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a c 236 U Graphics card
September 13, 2010 12:54:25 AM

Akuma20 said:
Hey, my friends dad also told me that I need to find out how fast my PSI express is in order for some processors to work is that true? something along those lines and if it is how can I find out the specifics?


no clue what he is talking about there. any PCI-E 2.0 card will work in a PCI-E 1.0 x16 slot.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
September 13, 2010 12:56:36 AM

Akuma20 said:
Also, it seems like there's a bit of a problem here that processor's 65 Watts, and the 460 graphics card that I was looking at was 450 Watts, you recommended the 520 Watt power supply however if you add both of those together that's 515 Watts, Will I have enough power to power my computer? that seems like I am pushing it. How much extra power do I really need?


the recommendation is for total system power including your CPU and everything else in the PC. it's also for a generic power supply (most can't reach their stated watts), the seasonic is a top tier power supply (it can easily exceed 520w at peak).
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a c 236 U Graphics card
September 13, 2010 1:08:12 AM

Akuma20 said:
so, to get this graphics card and run my computer with the new processor as well what power supply would you recommend? so I have enough Watts for everything.

I did find this, tell me what you think

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


the one I linked above is more then enough and has 40a on its 12v rail. nvidia recommends 25a on the 12v for a GTX 460 system.
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September 13, 2010 1:26:49 AM

ct1615 said:
the one I linked above is more then enough and has 40a on its 12v rail. nvidia recommends 25a on the 12v for a GTX 460 system.


Hmm.. I am not questioning you, I am just wondering how? The graphics card is about 450 watts, and the processor's 65 watts that's 515 watts, isn't there other things that need power in the computer? I dont know what "40a" or "12v rail" or any of that mean's. I am learning about all of this now.
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a b U Graphics card
September 13, 2010 1:29:27 AM

The graphics card isnt 450W, thats the recommended power consumption for the whole system. The 460 alone uses about 150W and the 450 maybe around 100W on full load.

Wattage=Voltage*Amperage, and the 12v rail is used to power almost everything on a computer now, 40a on its 12v rail means the power supply can output 12*40=480W.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
September 13, 2010 1:35:35 AM

Akuma20 said:
Hmm.. I am not questioning you, I am just wondering how? The graphics card is about 450 watts, and the processor's 65 watts that's 515 watts, isn't there other things that need power in the computer? I dont know what "40a" or "12v rail" or any of that mean's. I am learning about all of this now.


what timop said. also at worst with a 125w CPU, a GTX 460 system (all the parts not just the GTX 460) won't break 350w. see the link. the recommendations of 450w is for Nvidia to cover themselves against the knuckleheads who buy 500w PSU off ebay for $20 and then wonder why they blow up.

http://www.techspot.com/review/299-palit-inno3d-geforce...
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September 13, 2010 1:40:17 AM

Timop said:
The graphics card isnt 450W, thats the recommended power consumption for the whole system. The 460 alone uses about 150W and the 450 maybe around 100W on full load.

Wattage=Voltage*Amperage, and the 12v rail is used to power almost everything on a computer now, 40a on its 12v rail means the power supply can output 12*40=480W.


ahh?.. so, with 520 Watts, my computer will run just fine then? sounds great.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
September 13, 2010 2:13:19 AM

Akuma20 said:
ahh?.. so, with 520 Watts, my computer will run just fine then? sounds great.


you could stick a GTX 470 in there with the seasonic 520w, although it would be over kill and I still think the ATI 5770/ Nvidia GTS 450 is plenty powerful for you.
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September 13, 2010 3:00:46 AM

Alright! so, in conclusion this is what I think that I'll do too upgrade my computer and I really am very thankful for everyone's insight. I have a Foxconn G33m02 mATX for a motherboard so just for clarification on my selection I can take all of these components with my computer now, and move them into a new case and it should work right? This is my overall idea about getting this together, please if any of you feel this wont work for whatever reason please feel free too speak your mind!

-Upgrading a 250 Watt PSU, to a 520 Watt PSU.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Upgrading a Intel Pentium Dual CPU E2200 2.20GHz 2.20GHZ too a Intel Pentium Dual-Core E5400 Wolfdale 2.7GHz 2MB L2 Cache LGA 775 65W Dual-Core Desktop Processor.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Changing cases from a slim Inspiron too.. a COOLER MASTER HAF 922 RC-922M-KKN1-GP Black Steel + Plastic and Mesh Bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

-Lastly, Upgrading my graphics card from a ATI 3,450 series to a Ge-force 460 series.
http://www.buy.com/prod/evga-768-p3-1362-ar-geforce-gtx...

With all of these components should I see an absolute dramatic change in high end gaming. Would I be able to play game's like Modern Warfare II or Dawn of War II on full settings, and such?
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