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Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2010 6:13:16 AM

Hey!

My awesome 8800gt gpu has died. It is showing white dots all over the screen in boot, and when windows fires up the drivers I get a BSOD. I have cleaned it, reinserted it, so I am pretty sure that my card is six feet under.

Anyway, I have got to get a new GPU some time now. (Actually not untill march (DA2 :na:  ), but never mind that)

Since my rig is not a really strong one, I am looking for a card around 100€.
Meh rig:
c2d e4300
ddr2 2x2 900
pci-e 1.0 8x
500w w/ pci-e connector

Now, I have been looking at some reviews, and I am stunned to find, that my sweetheart could pwn many NEW cards on the market. I cannot believe that that is possible. After 2 years and such agressive advance cards, in the same price range have not gotten any better? Infact, they are WORSE?!?! How is that even possible?

I have double checked on many places, and just about everyone says that cards in this price range preform similar to 9600 (same as 8800) GT. Even more! Many say that in games new cards will perform WORSE as my old g92 512 card!

So, if that is true, am I better of buying an old 8800gt again?

Oh, and another thing, what are the chances I get my beauty repaired?

Cheers!
-iZ

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a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2010 7:12:24 AM

Out of the list you mentioned at the top.... I would say HD5670.
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a c 189 U Graphics card
September 15, 2010 7:57:35 AM

HD5670 DDR3 2.0 version...
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
September 15, 2010 6:23:36 PM

But, as said before, i will not notice any improvement? It might even be worse? Do you recommend any other cards over these?


And there was another thing I remembered today: what could have caused the sudden death of my card? I have an Lc power PSU, with 550w. It was priced approximatelly around 50€. Could that have slowly degraded the health of my card? I have also heard some conspiracy theories that card suppliers make chips to bust after the garrancy is gone.
The card worked perfectly untill one morning. I even have watched a movie. But than I started up a game (l4d2) and the card locked up twice (after 1 reboot) without blue screen. It demanded a plug out-plug in reset. (5s poiwer on button probably would have worked)
Than after second lockup the white dots started appearing.

a c 236 U Graphics card
September 15, 2010 6:35:44 PM

the 8800GT/9800GT is the better card of the three you listed. I would purchase it over the other two cards.
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2010 8:03:10 AM

Since your budget is 100 euros, you can stretch it a little further and get a HD5770. That would be a decent one. For ATI, i consider anything below the HD57xx series is only good for HTPC and light gaming.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2010 2:29:22 PM

Okay. I have read reviews, and concluded that 5770 rapes 5670. And the added price of 50€ it's not a bad bargain.

But, now heres my last question:

8800gt worked. Will 5770 as well? (PCI-e 8x) (1x 6-pin psi-e power supply)

I describet my PSU before, and expressed my concerns about it. Could they be true? Could that also happen to 5770?
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2010 2:33:20 PM

Oh, and I forgot also:
Should I waint until october for the 6xxx series? Will the prices drop?

Is there a difference between producers?
Sapphire, Powercolor etc.' The price varies for about 10-20€
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2010 2:45:19 PM

Quote:
Oh, and I forgot also:
Should I waint until october for the 6xxx series? Will the prices drop?

Is there a difference between producers?
Sapphire, Powercolor etc.' The price varies for about 10-20€

The prices are definitely gonna drop after the the release of the 6xxx cards. But the 6xxx cards, being new would be a bit pricey initially. They are said to have a better version of Eyefinity as well.
a c 173 U Graphics card
September 16, 2010 2:47:02 PM

I agree with you that the G92 was the best bang for buck gpu is many years and nothing from ATI has thus far have held up for so long. Nothing else from nvidia has come close to this and for most it is two years tops before something else comes along that really does the job. The only thing that was and still is a great value is the 48x0 series. If you can find another 8800/9800gt or better for your budget then land it since most 57x0 are still to overpriced. As for the rest of you you can't spend more than you actually got so before RMA costs are are walways a factor.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
September 16, 2010 6:28:52 PM

Okey, so it's safe to assume that cheap PSU ruined my gpu. (Is that nice enoguh for you, mod?)

I need to buy a new psu. Will this one do?
PWS COOLER MASTER EXTREME POWER PLUS 500W RS500

I am afraid my poor PSU is a bottleneck, so overdoing on the graphics card has no meaning. I can get a 9800gt for 100€, while 5770 costs me 150.

If you can recommend a differend card for me, please do.....
a c 273 U Graphics card
September 16, 2010 6:43:16 PM

Quote:
Okey, so it's safe to assume that cheap PSU ruined my gpu. (Is that nice enoguh for you, mod?)

I need to buy a new psu. Will this one do?
PWS COOLER MASTER EXTREME POWER PLUS 500W RS500

I am afraid my poor PSU is a bottleneck, so overdoing on the graphics card has no meaning. I can get a 9800gt for 100€, while 5770 costs me 150.

If you can recommend a differend card for me, please do.....

It does look a lot better without the racist comments and vulgar language.
a c 173 U Graphics card
September 16, 2010 7:36:02 PM

Quote:
Okey, so it's safe to assume that cheap PSU ruined my gpu. (Is that nice enoguh for you, mod?)

I need to buy a new psu. Will this one do?
PWS COOLER MASTER EXTREME POWER PLUS 500W RS500

I am afraid my poor PSU is a bottleneck, so overdoing on the graphics card has no meaning. I can get a 9800gt for 100€, while 5770 costs me 150.

If you can recommend a differend card for me, please do.....


The psu is good enough for your needs with room to grow. As for the card get what is best suited to your budget and if 100 euros is your budget and the best cards for your budget 5670/9800gt then that is all you can settle for.
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 7:33:55 AM

Mousemonkey said:
It does look a lot better without the racist comments and vulgar language.

The does not have any such comments! Or was it edited? :) 

I would say no to the CM PSU you have set your eyes on. Its better to have the Corsair VX550W.

You can always overclock your card to match your GPU. I am not sure if the 5770 would be bottlenecked by the E4300. It should work fine.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 11:45:48 AM

how about: enermax ATX 350W AL - 018N EG365AX
Would it suffice for one gpu? Like 9800 or 5770

The cheaper Enermax ATX 460W AL - 019R EG465AX - provides 110w more, but is cheaper.
I could not find the psu you have suggested.

a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 11:58:10 AM

Quote:
how about: enermax ATX 350W AL - 018N EG365AX
Would it suffice for one gpu? Like 9800 or 5770

The cheaper Enermax ATX 460W AL - 019R EG465AX - provides 110w more, but is cheaper.
I could not find the psu you have suggested.


Definitely not!

I recommend one of the following.

500w PSU $59.99, 39.99 after rebate(USD)

550w PSU (Modular) 64.99, 44.99 after rebate(USD)

750w PSU (Modular) 99.99, 79.99 after rebate (USD)

I skipped the 650w's because the truepower was priced at the exact same cost as the OCZ 750w.

I cannot state enough how important PSU is, If you get a cheap one and then it blow's it could take all your other components with it; I suggest the 550w for you seeing as it's only $5 USD more expensive than the 500w model and includes modularity.

I realize your in the UK/EU however I don't know any sites for UK/Europe. I'm from New Zealand and as I usually price for US OP's I have newegg data and US pricing.
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 12:01:41 PM

What's wrong with Corsair, Antec???

Why you are sticking substandard PSU's???
September 17, 2010 12:05:17 PM

hell_storm2004 said:
The does not have any such comments! Or was it edited? :) 

I would say no to the CM PSU you have set your eyes on. Its better to have the Corsair VX550W.

You can always overclock your card to match your GPU. I am not sure if the 5770 would be bottlenecked by the E4300. It should work fine.

How could bad language even be in a comment like that???

I wish I could have seen the original version.....



Anyway. NEVER SKIMP OUT ON A POWER SUPPLY.
I'll come back to you when your mobo's fried.
September 17, 2010 12:06:26 PM

hell_storm2004 said:
What's wrong with Corsair, Antec???

Why you are sticking substandard PSU's???

^You beat me to that comment.
I would have said an Antec myself.
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 12:12:11 PM

hell_storm2004 said:
What's wrong with Corsair, Antec???

Why you are sticking substandard PSU's???


I wouldn't call them substandard, The cheapest 650w was actually a Antec Truepower, However when the come in at the price of a 750w modular model its hard to justify buying one unless you hate OCZ or are a hard Antec fan. Im going for value for money. If it was 'find me a card with the best quality even if it costs 9321648973% of a good quality one which only costs $80 after rebate' sure I'd go for them

Maybe that was a bit harsh, I like Corsair and Antec also, but you pay more for them and OCZ isn't exactly a bad brand...

EDIT: oh and if you only want to meet the requirements for the card, heres a 400w PSU... Anyone who complains about that gets a iPunch to the face, I have the 500w version :na: 
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 12:38:38 PM

^^That was not meant for you!!!! :p 

It was to the OP's selection of Enermax! You posted ahead of me!
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 12:45:28 PM

Oh, I wondered why you were going on. I was like WTF OCZ's not that bad.

On a side note, Are any of the upper ranges(such as the lightning series) from rosewill decent, They come in cheaper than the other brands, And although there cases are decent/ok I haven't heard anything good about there PSU's... and very little bad about them.
a c 173 U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 1:21:17 PM

What is all the hate on Enermax? I had a 5 year old noisetaker run a 8800gtx with out dipping on the 12v rail and the unit was only a 480w psu. It was an awfully heavy unit though.
a c 236 U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 1:49:39 PM

I see the PSU noobs are out again

1. enermax is actually fine PSU brand. They have a better reputation out int he Europe then in the states because they don't advertise as much and it seems most of you believe "more advertising = better PSU". Clearly a perfect method fro rating PSU.

2. the enermax 350w is a very good PSU. OC3D had it running at stable at 450w. It will have no issue running the 9800GT. KitGuru has also been a fan in their reviews of various Enermax PSU. Unlike most companies such as corsair, antec, etc., Enermax actually do make PSU not just stick a label on them.
http://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/power_supply/enermax...

3. Rosewill is newegg's in-house brand. Since Rosewill does not ship to Europe, they are not available out there. There quality control is often hit or miss since they use so many different OEM PSU. You really have to do some research before you purchase one of their PSU.
a c 236 U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 1:51:15 PM

nforce4max said:
What is all the hate on Enermax? I had a 5 year old noisetaker run a 8800gtx with out dipping on the 12v rail and the unit was only a 480w psu. It was an awfully heavy unit though.


no clue, they make some very good PSU. It's far from a good method of rating a PSU but a heavy PSU is often better then a light one (often the sign of junk parts)
a c 173 U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 2:11:58 PM

ct1615 said:
no clue, they make some very good PSU. It's far from a good method of rating a PSU but a heavy PSU is often better then a light one (often the sign of junk parts)


Agreed and I regret selling the one that I had. Metal sleeve on the mainboard and 4pin cables, adjustable rear fan that remained on for a short time after power down. High quality cooling and metal shell. Even the paint was better than what is on most cars and had a clear coat. The mosfets and coils were very well cooled so over all its good enough for a small server and a high usage one at that.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 3:26:30 PM

I could not find the enermax eco+ you have praised. The one I have listed is a different one...

But I did find a GIGABYTE PSU: GIGABYTE 550W GE-P450P-C2
I'ts for about 50€.
And a corsair: ATX Corsair CX400W
For about the same. (~50€)

Now, while every advice is much appreciated (lol, I've come from choosing between gpus to choosing between psu's) I really would need you to tell me which one of the ones I have listed I should take.

Enermax eco+ 350w got mad reviews, but I am not sure the one I found is the same
http://www.sestavi.si/index.php/item/display/1005


Cheers!
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 3:28:51 PM

Oh, yeah, about my banned post, it was:

Mother(sexual-intercourse)! The (sexual intercourse)-ing (slur for the great people of china) ruined my (sexual-intercourse) card.
a c 236 U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 3:37:48 PM

i'm not even sure the one you linked is an enermax......I've never seen an enermax look like that. I also can't read the language on the web site.

the corsair 400w is an excellent PSU for the money. It has a good amount of amps on the 12v and peaks close to 480w. more then enough juice for most of today's mid range cards.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 3:52:47 PM

Okay!

I have almost decided.
I am gonna get a HD4870, with the Corsair PSU I listed before.

My mobo supported a 8800gt, thus it should also the hd4870, right?

I have found a 4870 for 120€. I believe it is the same as this one:

http://www.amazon.com/Powercolor-Radeon-512MB-PCI-Expre...

(From the site I am gonna buy from: http://www.bolha.com/oglas383678810/powercolor-graficna...)

The 512mb isn't a real big problem, because the 1gb version is only 20€ costlier.
a c 236 U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 3:56:25 PM

go for the ATI 4850. with your CPU, you would not see much a difference between the 4850 and 4870. Also, the 4870 would really be pushing the corsair 400w.
Anonymous
a b U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 6:09:32 PM

Okay. Cool. 4850 it is.

This one more:
What is the difference between different makes on the card? Some have 2 slots, some a hdmi exit, some a bigger cooling.... The price varies for about 10€. Does that really matter, can I just grab the cheapest?

Which one should be better? (srry, not english site, but you should get what I mean)
sapphire
http://www.bolha.com/oglas383278173/sapphire-radeon-hd-...

v

asus
http://www.bolha.com/oglas383677258/vga-asus-ati-4850-g...

v

Gigabyte
http://www.bolha.com/oglas1272086349/gigabyte-radeon-hd...
a c 236 U Graphics card
September 17, 2010 6:12:49 PM

well you just listed all the differences yourself so I don't need to :D 

sapphire, asus, and gigabyte are all very good companies so get the card you like the best with the features you like the best
September 17, 2010 7:33:16 PM

ct1615 said:
well you just listed all the differences yourself so I don't need to :D 

sapphire, asus, and gigabyte are all very good companies so get the card you like the best with the features you like the best


^ I would have said MSI...... :sol: 
Good choices though.
a b U Graphics card
September 18, 2010 3:21:02 AM

Quote:
Okay. Cool. 4850 it is.

This one more:
What is the difference between different makes on the card? Some have 2 slots, some a hdmi exit, some a bigger cooling.... The price varies for about 10€. Does that really matter, can I just grab the cheapest?

Which one should be better? (srry, not english site, but you should get what I mean)
sapphire
http://www.bolha.com/oglas383278173/sapphire-radeon-hd-...

v

asus
http://www.bolha.com/oglas383677258/vga-asus-ati-4850-g...

v

Gigabyte
http://www.bolha.com/oglas1272086349/gigabyte-radeon-hd...


Asus hands down for quality plus I think its OC'd

That gigabyte PSU seems decent, I'd go for it, even if it's 'maximum power' is 550w it'll still pull 450w continuous easily sfaik.
!