460 SLI build for review / recommendation

cognitoo · Nov 5, 2010

Hello All,

Would you guys/gals please let me know if my choices below are good ones and that there are no compatibility issues? I've had them in the past with a previous build and ASUS confirmed that their mobo was "glitchy" with windows 7 Pro and SLI ... so this time I would like to be free of "Glithcy" issues and would rather not write to all the manufacturers prior....

I have spent a lot of time on a list of components but I'm wondering if I should wait another week or so as Newegg's "Black November" sale trickels in or if I should just get it all now while it is in stock... I know, my call on that one

Core Components Only are:

ASUS Rampage III mobo:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131666

Corsair Dominator 6gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224

i7 950
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211

Arctic Freezer pro 7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835186134

Corsair Pro Series AX850, 850W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139015

2 X EVGA gtx 460 @ 850MHz
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130575

Windows 7 Home

My choice of the 850mhz 460 card has been on again off again for many reasons as has the 850W PSU. As for the GPU, 850mhz pre-clocked cards are appeliing but I'm not sure I will see a big difference from lesser clocked cards.... is it worth $30 more/card? Will a card with an 850mhz clock burn out faster??

As for the PSU I thought the 850W AX model was best??... Well it has phenominal reviews and while I know 750W is plenty of juice for 2, 460's I figured it wouldn 't hurt to have extra and possibly be slightly more future proof. I was going to go with watercooling but the Corsair Freezer seems to work just fine for 1700+ reviewers many with Overclocked i7 950's...

Would someone please let me know if it is necessary to run 2 Velociraptors in RAID 0 to see the benefits of a 10,000 RPM hard drive? Would ONE Velociraptor be a dramatic improvement over a 7200RPM card? Seems to me I have read dissagrement on this

One more question, How seriously should one take the reviews on Newegg? If they are to be taken seriously, is it safe to assume that 40 - 70% of all merchandise is defecive? I am always shocked to see such abominal reviews of products yet the company stays in business. Also it seems that some reviewers copy and paste a review and use it more than one product ... maybe I'm imagining things, maybe I'm too sceptical, but your opinions would be appreciated. When let's say an item like a motherboard has a review with 3 out of the 5 stars ... Does it really mean that there's 40% chance the board will arrive DOA, or explode in 3 weeks time? :non:

I am basically looking for parts that are Very solid, require the least amount of tweeking and TLC, and that will last a good long time... i.e until an Intel hexacore processor is more justifiable.

Thanks! .... Jack

vibhas · Nov 5, 2010

Seriously, no need for 850W corsair.
Heck, a 650W Corsair could pull it, no need to chuck together a system that good if its not gonna last you 3¬ years unless you are a pro gamer =)

Personally I'm looking at dual 460's too, but prices in my country are higher cause our populations around 4 million (New Zealand) so I'm restricted in getting an AMD pii processor.

Can't help from the compatibility area, but with that Mobo (almost 300USD) I think actually, go for whatever you want cause seems liike you got the dough! Goodluck!

cognitoo · Nov 5, 2010

I've never heard 650W could safely handle 2, 460's... From what I knew 700W was "probably ok" and that 750W was the recommendation... especially for overclocking purposes.

welshmousepk · Nov 5, 2010

A good 650w like a corsair would handle it, but i'd go with a 750 anyway just for the extra headroom and efficiency.

I'd still go with a hex core like the 1055t, since you want the rig to last. And if making the switch to AMD go with 6850's instead of 460's.

Just seems like a better choice in the long run IMO.

P.S@ Vibhas: i too am form NZ

BeCoolBro · Nov 5, 2010

Also change the artic cooler freezer 7 pro with a hyper 212 plus which is similarly priced and performs better.I wouldn't go with dominators too as their heatsinks can block some large cpu coolers and I found that out after I build my pc :pfff:

Your motherboard is a personal choice but I think it's overkill so I would recommend this instead.

vibhas · Nov 5, 2010

welshmousepk :

Ha, the irony, I say we have a small 4 million population and then you pop up in this thread and post =)

I'm looking @ 2x 460's in a 955/965BE and am a little confused (Antec Earthwatts 650W).

Wolygon · Nov 5, 2010

Hello Jack.

What are you looking to do with this PC? Just game?

If your just gaming then the i7 is not required. The i5 is basically the same CPU but without HT which is not used in games and sometimes decreases performance so you'll probably find your self disabling it.

X58 is really only for gamers when they are running more then 2 cards as the board has more lanes so that they won't be bottlenecked. The 980X will never really be viable and will continue with an unrealistic price for years to come. Sandy Bridge will make it so it is cheaper to replace the board and CPU then to get the overprices 6 core. Therefore I don't see much advantages to the X58 over P55/AM3.

As to i5 vs AMD I think I will have to go with the i5. If you don't want to upgrade the CPU and board in the future when you upgrade the graphics the i5 will be the best choice. A Phenom II X4 955 already has a pretty large bottleneck with 2 5870s so it doesn't really give you much room to upgrade graphics.

Though if your not looking to upgrade the graphics without the rest of the system in the future I would go for the Phenom II X4 955 as it will save you some money over the i5.

For the raptors I don't believe RAID 0 benefits much. I don't believe RAID benefits much else other then benchmarks, for real world performance it isn't worth the price. Do you already have the raptors? If not then just get a nice SSD.

I disagree with wleshmousepk's recommendation to get a 1055T if this is a gaming build. This would hinder any graphics upgrade from a CPU bottleneck and would offer nothing over the 955.

I also wouldn't trust newegg reviews. If the brand is good I don't think much can go wrong. Though I don't know an over supply about newegg.

Also if your still convinced on the i7 950 (say so and I'll try to talk you out of it). Microcentre has it for $230 and they offer pickup.

Hope that helps.

coldsleep · Nov 5, 2010

Wolygon :

Can you provide a reference for that?

Agree on the i5 vs. i7, but I have never seen any articles that indicate that the Phenom II X4s have problems with CrossFire setups. I've seen reviews that indicate i5/i7 offer better performance with 5870CF, but not that the Phenom II X4 + 2x5870 is hitting some sort of fps limit on the graphics cards.

In other words, everything I have seen indicates that the performance difference between a Phenom II X4 + one 5870 vs. an i5/i7 with one 5870 is about the same as the difference between either setup when you add another 5870. If you have evidence that the Phenom II setup has a increased performance gap when you add the 2nd 5870, I'd like to see that info.

Also agree on SSD over Velocraptors.

cognitoo · Nov 5, 2010

Point taken Wolygon ... although I hear / read a lot of people saying that the P55 is a dead end [?] ...is that right? or am I hallucinating again...... Yes the computer is primarily for gaming.

I actually have an i5 set up variation tht I am considering ... and it is of course cheaper:

MSI P55 Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130238

i5 750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115215

4 Gigs RAM [should I do 8 gigs?]
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409

XFX 750W PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207003

2 X Lower-Clocked gtx 460's
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814133326

and 'BeCoolBro' thanks for the advice on the 212 ... I think at some point I meant to change the cooler to the 212

Do I need to buy a little motherboard speaker to hear "Beep" ??

boiler1990 · Nov 5, 2010

Motherboards should have the onboard speakers.

That XFX BE PSU is great; it will be more than capable for dual 460s OCed (as you can I see, I'm proof that 650W is enough

).

You can get a better 460 for the price; Check out the EVGA's cards. This one has a lifetime warranty, is slightly OCed (they don't have a stock card at EVGA anymore hahaha), qualifies for the Step Up Program with EVGA, and is a much better brand than PNY:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130568&cm_re=gtx_460_evga-_-14-130-568-_-Product
I have the stock version of that card and it's awesome. I'm actually using the Step Up program to trade up to GTX 470s. I'll need a new PSU though.

You'll be fine with 4GB of RAM; I haven't seen a reason to get more than my 6GB for gaming (computational programs like Matlab eat it up though), and even then it's far too much. My GPUs limit performance before my memory does.

boiler1990 · Nov 5, 2010

vibhas :

I have exactly that power supply, and it has plenty of power. The Earthwatts provide 650W continuous power; a 650W max power PSU would be risky.
Also, I don't know if AMD's chipsets will support SLI; they've had issues with some of the newer cards and people have been recommending against it. I'm not too familiar with AMD's chips, so I would look into that.

Wolygon · Nov 6, 2010

coldsleep :

I never said that they have a "problem" with crossfire setups. I was just saying that X4s have a bit of a bottleneck to 2 5870s, not in a crossfire link but as a CPU based bottleneck. But maybe this is not the case...you say that i5s offer more performance over a "single" 5870? Why would this be? The bottleneck from two 5870s is only smallish so I would think that the bottleneck would be completely gone when you half the graphics power. Is this not true?

The stuff I was quoting is from legion hardwares 5870 CPU scaling. Here:
http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/radeon_hd_5870_crossfire_cpu_scaling_performance_part_2,1.html

My main point was that since the bottleneck from the Phenom II is already noticeable from 2 5870s then bigger and bigger graphics cards are going to make it worse...

@OP
Good work on the build. As said 4GB of memory will be fine.

On the 1156 deadness. Yes it will not be getting anymore CPUs.

Though 1366 "may" be similar. It was thought that it would not receive any CPUs also. But then it seemed like they actually might, waiting on intel to say something. So I'm not sure and I can't find anything on whether it is or not. Though there is probably a pretty good chance that it will not receive any new CPUs.

HansVonOhain · Nov 6, 2010

Go with 6850, it gives its run for its money compared to GTX460.

cognitoo · Nov 6, 2010

You guys are GREAT ...

I have to admit, Dearest Wolygon, that my thinking has gone back to the 950 with the hope that the processor might last me at least 5 years at which point hyperthreading might acutally be being used in some games. As for the motherboard, while the Rampage III might be overkill for the time being it could be useful should an ass-kicker card come out to rival the 460's in the next couple of years ... at which point the option of tri-SLI of said card could launch me into orbit

I'm now wondering about a Drive for the OS and game installs ... Any suggestions?

Cog [I mean jack .. HA] ---------->> Finger hovering over the purchase button. I doubt waiting for Black Friday sales will be worth all that much.. Or is it.

Wolygon · Nov 6, 2010

Though I don't think that 950 is a good idea I see your point and I don't think you will be convinced otherwise. The positives are: HT which you may use in the future though I doubt, 3 way Xfire/SLI, possible upgrade to Sandy bridge CPUs or gulftown.

Though I don't see any point to the Rampage III. Unless your looking to REALLY overclock I don't think it will be worth it. All X58 boards can so 3 way SLI fine and thus that isn't a positive. Also I'm pretty sure GTX460s are limited to 2 way SLI and cannot do 3 way. Maybe this will change your decision on them....

Are you looking for an SSD? If so the following 120GB should be good for $230:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227551&cm_re=ocz_vertex_2_120gb-_-20-227-551-_-Product

If you can't afford it you could go for a 64GB one for $130:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148358&cm_re=Crucial_RealSSD_C300-_-20-148-358-_-Product

Note that I do not know an over amount on SSDs so if anyone contests it they're probably right.

I don't know anything about "Black Friday" so I can't help you there.

Do what you think is right Jack.

cognitoo · Nov 6, 2010

OK ok OK ok OK ok

You sold me on the i5 750. I just googled many many benchies as examples and you are right. I even recall now, after seeing these results, that my intent many many months ago, when I was young and pretty, was a 750.........................................

Yes gtx 460's are only capable of 2 way sli ... Plenty O'toole apparently, but I was trying, perhaps futily, to build with at least some futureproofing, but I think this build will indeed be enough to grow with newer cards as time goes by. The review I re-read, after reading your posts simply states in a conclusion and I quote Tom from this site:

"Thus, the conclusion here is pretty simple. When gaming is your top priority, buy “just enough” CPU and reallocate the rest of your budget toward graphics."

the full article is here: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/core-i5-gaming,2403-11.html

So, the Motherboard and RAM I picked for this build are good to go?

MSI board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130238

4gigs of A-DATA ram
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211409

Wolygon · Nov 6, 2010

Ha so your going with i5 now aye?

Plenty O'toole? Eh? So you don't really want to go future proof route anymore?

That board will be alright if your not looking at upgrading your SLI setup. Though if your looking to upgrade to 3 cards the following will be as good as X58 with 3 way SLI or 4 way Crossfire. Here it is:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131594&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-na-_-na-_-na&AID=10440897&PID=3067296&SID=

If your not really worried about 3 way config then the following board is a bit cheaper then your MSI for the same thing.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131400&cm_re=P7P55D_Deluxe-_-13-131-400-_-Product

Though I'm not sure on A-DATAs quality they seem to be good. Though I would prefer Ripjaws for the same price:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231277&cm_re=ripjaw_1600_4gb-_-20-231-277-_-Product

Also if your not looking to upgrade the GPUs in the future any more then the AMD Phenom II X4 is a good idea. The reason I suggested against it previously is that if you were going to upgrade your GPUs the Phenom could start to bottleneck a nice GPU setup.

cognitoo · Nov 6, 2010

Wolly World, in the description of the MSI mobo I had listed it has the following:

"Expansion Slots

PCI Express 2.0 x16
3

PCI Express x1
2

PCI Slots
2 "

Where do you see it only supports 2 way SLI?

PS you don't get the dual Plenty O'toole reference? HA

Wolygon · Nov 6, 2010

"Wolly World" Having fun there?

For P55 boards it is common not to support 3 way SLI even if they have 3 PCIe slots. Generally 3 way crossfire is all that is supported. Quoting the MSI page for the board:
"3-way SLI N/A"
http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=prodmbspec&maincat_no=1&cat2_no=&cat3_no=&prod_no=1844
Also this is not the main thing I was talking about. The board I showed includes a "NF200" chip which allows for more PCIe lanes.

The problem with P55 and 3 way setups is that the PCIe speeds go like this x8/x8 (2 GPUs) x8/x8/x4 (3 GPUs). The x4 is a bottleneck for cards and thus the performance is not as good as it could be. On X58 there are more lanes and thus with 3 way there are no cards running with less then x8.

With NF200 a P55 board can have enough lanes to run a 3 card setup at x8/x8/x8. Therefore being as good as X58. If you look at results for SLI/CF scaling with P55, from 1 to 2 it is good but then up to 3 the performance actually drops right down to the performance of 1 card. This is why you cannot run a 3 card setup on P55 even if it supports it, but with NF200 it is as good as X58.

Did you get that?

I searched up "Plenty O'toole" just then. James Bond aye?

cognitoo · Nov 6, 2010

OK ... but we digress ... I doubt I will really actually ever use a 3-way [HA] anyway :non:

In fact I only recently even decided I would go 2-way sli and it was because of the 460's performance. The Plenty O'Toole ... Yes James Bond ... but also a reference to the 460 beiing 'plenty of tool' for gaming.

SO that being said I guess the MSI board is ok afterall ... and you know what? for 90 bucks more that Rampage III is looking good again ... probably should stick with my first impressions. I think when I first started this thread I was mostly asking if the parts I had were compatible .. ie do I have the correct RAM, has anyone had other problems with those parts etc.

There was this one board that I came across that seemed to have everything that was possibly imaginable... it did like 9 way SLI and 32 way Crossfire or something really Extreme like that..[HA]... I think it was called the "Fat Bastard" or "The Tsunami" or something along those lines ... let me look again....... OH I was close ... "The Big Bang". It can use Nvidia and AMD cards at the same time but apparently it shuts off physx [I think].

Woly ... Just TELL ME what to do. Does that MSI board pose any real problems for me with 2 way SLI? Is the lack of USB 3.0 a super huge deal? [I don't think it had 3.0] ... No just 7, 2.0's but 3.0 is Backward compatible correct? And I don't really see myself running anything crucial that requires super fast speed via USB. Will I?

I don't mean to sound impatient ... I'm just afraid that someone is going to close this thread

AND the more I think about it I am wonderiing if I should even be trying to do my own build. Seems there is a Lot I do not know

Wolygon · Nov 6, 2010

Ok so you don't want to go 3 way SLI, though this board is very cheap especially with the rebate only $170. So why not go for it? Why go for the more expensive standard MSI board? If instead you went for the standardASUS board I suggested you would be saving $20 which is somewhat substantial. Why do you seem "addicted" to the MSI one? The Asus board is below:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131400&cm_re=P7P55D_Deluxe-_-13-131-400-_-Product

Yes the Big Bang is pretty crazy. Don't expect to use any PCI slots though, there all PCIe and it makes it look very sexy I think

. By the sounds of it you don't know what "Physx" is.....

Generally all parts are compatible, though any weird ones (like your "apparent" previous build problem) will never be shown by others. Since if it has happened before it is likely that it has only happened to a few people with the came combination.

NO THE MSI BOARD HAS NO PROBLEM WITH 2 WAY SLI (like my caps?). I don't think that the lack of USB 3 is a bad problem, maybe if you were looking to get a USB 3 external drive but other than that I don't think it will matter.

Though SATA 6Gb/s is more of what you should worry about, I'm not sure on how much it matters at the moment though it will matter more and more in the future. I do think that current SSDs do get more performance from SATA 3. In the future you might want a faster SSD and you could be bottlenecked by SATA 2. The only reason not to get SATA 3 is if you won't ever be running an SSD.

If your getting SATA 3 the following should be good:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131621&cm_re=ASUS_P7P55D-_-13-131-621-_-Product

Why is the Rampage 3 looking good? It should be looking like an overpriced, overfeatured board that you don't need. $90 is a lot for 0 performance gain.

cognitoo · Nov 6, 2010

Addicted? No but I might be vesting too much intrest/credit into the newegg reviews ... when I see that 40% of an items reviews say **danger danger will robinson do not buy** I tend to think that it is not a good idea to buy it [?]

The previous build I had was built for me by an e-tailer. The thing spent more time crossing the counrty in a UPS truck than I care to admit. The motherboard in that machine was the ASUS P7P55D-E Pro ... I will NEVER NEVER NEVER .. Ever go near that board again. [how 'bout Those caps huh??] In the end, I was told that the board and Windows 7 Prof. and SLI did NOT like each other in combination. I had more BSOD's and RSOD's than I thought was ever even nightmarishly possible. Seriously it was out of control. Just when I thought I had the BSOD's under control [after ~14 reinstalls of windows] the RSOD's began ... In even greater numbers / frequency. fyi if you are unsure: RSOD is Red Screen Of Death [although it seems like there is not much you do not know...]

I do know what Physx is ... all I was saying is that the 'Big Bastard' board dissables it when both Nvidia and AMD cards are used in conjunction with one another.

The MSI board that I *seem* to be addicted to just has solid [for the most part] reviews and the layout "looks" good. [it's also rather pretty]

the ASUS P7P55D Deluxe board you list above is one that is actually appealing... However it's close cousin: the " -E PRO" gives me chills even thinking bout it.

Can you verse me in RAM voltages? The addictive MSI board stated that it "Supports four unbuffered DIMM of 1.5 Volt DDR3" How does this relate /equate / translate to 1.65v RAM? Or does it.

As far as SSD's go I am not sure about them right now. The prices are falling Very Rapidly and I am thinking to wait another year. What does SATA 3 have to do with USB 3.0?

I did not realize I needed SATA 3 for SSD. Doesn't SATA 3 mean 6gigs bit somethings / sec? And what does that have to do with USB 3.0?

See? there is A Lot I do not know. All I know is that I want to make every possible choice correct so I do not repeat the DISASTER of the last build I had. Those specs are still in my profile if you care to take a gander.

Yeah guess you're right on the Rampage ... It just seems like it does everything for you automatically .. Didn't it say that it even screws itself to the case?

What about this Motherboaord?? Looks like you need to buy extra cables .. what do you think I would need?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130296&cm_re=MSI_P55A_Fuzion_LGA-_-13-130-296-_-Product

Nevermind ... NO SLI support ...Why Not! Rediculous how some of these boards are one-sided

boiler1990 · Nov 7, 2010

Ok, for an SSD, you do NOT need SATA III. It will be faster if you get a SATA III SSD and have SATA III on your board, but even then it's more than necessary (my WD SSD is "slow" and it boots W7 in 30 secs).

What you have to be careful with concerning the P55 chipsets is the number of pathways. X58 has enough bandwidth to support 4-way SLI, but P55 really can only support 2-way (that's why that board with 3 PCI-E x16 slots only supported 2-way).

Where you run into problems is when you're trying to get SATA 3/USB 3.0 AND SLI; they all use the same pathways, so obviously something gets compromised somewhere. I'd recommend sticking with something that supports SLI well, and skipping on SATA 3/USB 3; it's still going to take a year or two to get enough devices out there to make it worth your money.

Wolygon · Nov 7, 2010

@ boiler
The OP wants to keep this build for a while (5 years maybe) and thus SSDs will get faster and cheaper. SATA 6Gb/s already seeing improvments in speeds of current SSDs. This is only going to get bigger in the future.

Plenty of P55 boards support 3 way SLI. Whether you should run it is a different story.

The board I have suggested includes a PLX chip. This is supposed to free up the PCIe lanes and allow you to run USB 3 and SATA 6Gb/s while using all your PCIe lanes. Unless you have evidence of this not working your argument is not valid.

@ OP
I don't see where you see that "40%" of people have problems. All I see is a rating of eggs with most of the boards we're looking at being 4/5.

I'm not saying that I don't believe you but I don't see how ASUS would let and know about a problem with SLI, the board and windows 7. Probably around 5-10% of people buying that board would be running SLI and Windows 7. I think you should run some threads here and other places talking about your problem and see if anyone else knows about it.

What did you end up doing with that PC? Why not just buy a new board?

That 1.5v figure is rather confusing, it seems to be the voltage that the board can run the specified frequency at. Manny boards say this but its really just a minium, 1.65v is fine.

SATA 3 is often on USB 3 boards though they are not similar. SATA is what connects the HDD/SSD to the PC, SATA 3 just increases the max transfer speed.

As said you do not NEED SATA 6Gb/s for SSDs. At the moment you could see a bit of a performance increase with SATA 6Gb/s though it is not substantial. In the future though many SSDs will have very fast speeds where SATA 2 will limit them.

I really don't think it "screws" itself into the case...thats sounds cool as but I've never heard of it.

The funny thing is that I have already recommended your "favorite" board. Yeap thats right I recommended the "-E PRO", its the board I recommended for SATA 6Gb/s. Looks like you didn't click the link aye?

I'm guessing theres not way your getting that board so I guess you'll have to go without SATA 6GB/s. Gigabyte doesn't have a PLX enables board it seems so thats really the best board available for SATA 6GB/s.

I guess you can just get your nice MSI board as you must hate ASUS by now. It will do you well and hopefully you won't have any problems.

cognitoo · Nov 7, 2010

That board, Windows 7 Professional, in conjunction with an SLI setup was an absolute no go. I am not the only one who has experienced this. Other people on this site have also experienced it .. Unless they lied to me. An ASUS rep admitted to having encountered this issue with me on the phone. I don't think there was wide spread co-conspired sympathy to make me believe that I was not alone in this particular situation.

HOWEVER, the issue may have been resolved with a change of OS from Professional to 7 Home. Seems to me one person said that fixed the BSOD issue for them ... although I don;t remember them saying anything about the RSOD's I was plagued with.

Yes I know you had recommended the "E-PRO". I wonder if I should swallow my dignity and give the "-E PRO" a chance with 7 Home. Or if I should go with it's cousin the "D-Delux" Or if I should remain "*addicted*" to that MSI board ... My mind was so much clearer when I had the Rampage III and the 950 in my 'shopping cart'

As for that particular PC, I packed it up one last time and sent it back for good and got a refund. I never wanted to see it again..

460 SLI build for review / recommendation

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