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November 6, 2010 11:58:46 PM

New member here. Is CyberPower the favored online builder of this community? Is that why there is a CyberPower sub-forum here? Or is it simply because they are sponsoring it as an advertiser?

Here is my issue: I wish I had the wherewithal to build my own machines, but I don't. I ain't a whippersnapper like you youngun's here. :> Actually, it isn't my age but my health that constrains me from being able to build PCs myself.

So... if I want to get the best quality and value for individual components that I can, plus have someone else build for me, where do I go? CyberPower? Digital Storm Online? Wal-Mart? </snark>

Any advice appreciated.

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November 7, 2010 12:22:33 AM

Welcome to Toms

Cyberpower is a Sponsor, which is why they have a sub-forum. As for on-line builders, I would go with them or Digital Storm for your "custom build" feel for your PC. Other options is seek someone to build it for you. A local PC shop is a good starting point or check places like Craig's List or your Classifieds. You can find many listings were people are willing to build PC's for reasonable price. There are members here within the Tom's community wiling to build PC's for members, as well.
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November 7, 2010 12:46:10 AM

Thanks, tecmo34. I appreciate your input.
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November 7, 2010 12:55:29 AM

If you're in Phoenix AZ I'll build it for you free of charge and teach you how as well.
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November 7, 2010 12:58:42 AM

Also Ibuypower is another Company like Cyberpower.....
What is your budget?
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November 7, 2010 1:15:14 AM

^+1 to cmcghee358 I am in Atlanta, and make the same offer.
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November 7, 2010 1:18:06 AM

lol I'm in the UK (manchester) but, +1 to cmcghee said =D and make the same offer tooo!
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November 7, 2010 1:49:54 AM

I swear this is the best forum ever...
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November 7, 2010 1:52:12 AM

Oh me too! ...if your from Alberta, Canada! :p 
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November 7, 2010 1:53:39 AM

lol yes it is... Best one I've been on.
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November 7, 2010 1:55:00 AM

Eventually someone from the right town will make the offer!
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November 7, 2010 8:01:05 AM

I can helpout in the South-West Ohio area...
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November 7, 2010 9:21:40 AM

Nottingham Uk :) 
(notice how We're all offering to build it for you rather than let you go to cybershower? :p )
Moto
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November 7, 2010 10:50:47 AM

I'm in FOB Sharana, Afghan and I make the same offer =P.
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November 7, 2010 12:30:49 PM

You guys are absolutely wonderful--and hilarious! :D 

I'm in the Orlando, Florida, USA, area. I truly appreciate the offers of assistance. You guys are amazing.

And I take it from the comments that you don't think it's wise to buy from an online commercial builder? Is that because of the extra cost? Or because of some implied lack of quality control? Or given our sponsor here, are those comments something better left unsaid?

Thanks again for all the offers!!

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November 7, 2010 12:37:49 PM

Commercial builders have a tendency to skimp in areas to help drive down cost... PSU, Memory, Hard Drive... Etc. They give you a name brand CPU, GPU & MOBO and skimp every where else... IMO.

Building is the best option but on the flip side, I do know many people that love their Cyberpower PC's and haven't had issuses with them... Meaning, it is an option. :) 
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November 7, 2010 3:24:47 PM

My work buys from just about everyone online (somehow they get them to ship to the UK....). I've never had problems with them.... my boss doesn't want me building them =/.
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November 7, 2010 3:50:02 PM

Thanks, guys, for your comments.

OK, here's what I am looking for...

I need two machines. My budget is $3-5K for the two.

The first is for me. I am a futures trader. I need a high performance machine with the following qualities:

- Extremely stable and reliable; IOW, you could run it for a year and it would never present you with a BSOD.
- Extremely fast CPU.
- The faster a machine can process a strategy's signal and send an order to the exchange, the more likely I am to minimize slippage (slippage is essentially the difference between the price that you think you should get and the price you DO get).
- The faster the machine is, the quicker I can do extensive backtesting and optimization runs.
- Windows 7 Professional (or Ultimate?) 64-bit OS.
- 64 bit much faster for running long optimizations.
- Graphics. I need decent, but not necessarily top of the line capability. I will not be playing games on this machine, so I don't require tons of high-powered graphics processing. But I will be looking at futures charts, so I do need decent graphics.
- UPS. The machine needs to be able to run for a couple of minutes--at the least--on UPS battery power. We have a lot of lightning storms here in Florida and power can be iffy at best.
- RAM. I'm not sure about this but I would imagine that it would be helpful to have 12-16GB of RAM to help with backtesting/optimization processing.
- Cooling. I would prefer to avoid liquid cooling as it sounds like a pain in the neck. Unless it becomes mandatory with my configuration.
- Hard drives. I would prefer to have the OS and apps reside on a solid state drive. For the data drives I like a LOT of space.

The 2nd PC is for my wife. She is a multi-tasker to the extreme and is constantly complaining about the slowness of her current machine. I want to get her a high performance machine that will totally satisfy her impatience. The only game she ever plays is Spider Solitaire. But she collects data like you wouldn't believe. Her directory structure is the biggest I have ever seen anywhere. She saves EVERYTHING. She loves to make directories. She's done that in Thunderbird to the point where it takes several minutes just to load all of her emails! And she likes to backup in triplicate. So she needs a LOT of space in addition to processing power.

So where I do go from here? Suggestions?
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November 7, 2010 4:33:12 PM

http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1CT0WU ($2678) for the first one, and http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1CT0WY ($1512)

That is 4190$ for both.... =o

On the second system, I put a smaller SSD, because it sounds like she needs a little speed, she'll have to put only vital stuff on their because it is smaller.. I put a 2 TB HDD on both... SATA-3 and USB 3.0 for longeivity....

You have to choose the UPS, I don't want to recommend one and it turn out junk....
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November 7, 2010 5:25:34 PM

Atotalnoob said:
http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1CT0WU ($2678) for the first one, and http://www.cyberpowerpc.com/saved/1CT0WY ($1512)

That is 4190$ for both.... =o

On the second system, I put a smaller SSD, because it sounds like she needs a little speed, she'll have to put only vital stuff on their because it is smaller.. I put a 2 TB HDD on both... SATA-3 and USB 3.0 for longeivity....

You have to choose the UPS, I don't want to recommend one and it turn out junk....


Thanks for the suggestions! Something went a bit haywire with the first one, I think, because when I click through to it the price only shows as $2408, not $2678. What is missing from the configuration?

BASE_PRICE: [+835]
BLUETOOTH: None
BUNDLE: None
CAS: NZXT M59 Gaming Mid-Tower Case with See-Thru Window
CASUPGRADE: None
CD: 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive (BLACK COLOR)
CD2: None
CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-980X Extreme Edition 3.33 GHz 12M Intel Smart Cache LGA1366 [+774]
CS_FAN: Default case fans
FA_HDD: None
FAN: CoolerMaster V6 CPU Cooler (Copper Base Double-V Heatpipe) [+6]
FLASHMEDIA: None
FLOPPY: None
GLASSES: None
HDD: * 64 GB Corsair Nova Series V64 Gaming MLC Solid State Disk [+84] (Single Hard Drive)
HDD2: 2TB (2TBx1) SATA-III 6.0Gb/s 64MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+229] (Single Hard Drive)
IEEE_CARD: None
KEYBOARD: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
LANSURGE: None
MB_ADDON: None
MEMORY: 12GB (2GBx6) DDR3/1600MHz Triple Channel Memory Module [+144] (Corsair or Major Brand)
MONITOR: None
MONITOR2: None
MONITOR3: None
MOTHERBOARD: * (3-Way SLI Support) GigaByte GA-X58A-UD3R Intel X58 Chipset SLI/CrossFireX Ultra Durable™3 Triple-Channel DDR3/1600 ATX Mainboard w/ 7.1 Dolby Audio, eSATA, GbLAN, USB3.0, 2 x SATA-III RAID, IEEE1394a, 4 Gen2 PCIe, 2 PCIe X1 & 1 PCI [+42]
MOUSE: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
MULTIVIEW: Non-SLI/Non-CrossFireX Mode Supports Multiple Monitors
NETWORK: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
OS: None - FORMAT HARD DRIVE ONLY
OVERCLOCK: No Overclocking
POWERSUPPLY: * 750 Watts - Corsair CMPSU-750TX 80 Plus Power Supply - Quad SLI Ready [+109]
PRINTER: None
PRINTER_CABLE: None
RUSH: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS
SERVICE: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
SOUND: HIGH DEFINITION ON-BOARD 7.1 AUDIO
SPEAKERS: None
TEMP: None
TVRC: None
USB: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
USBFLASH: None
USBHD: None
USBX: None
VC_PHYSX: None
VIDEO: AMD Radeon HD 6870 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card [+185] (Major Brand Powered by AMD)
VIDEO2: None
VIDEO3: None
WNC: None
PRICE: (+2408)

<END>
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November 7, 2010 6:57:39 PM

Most traders need multiple monitors? Do you need output to multiple monitors?
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November 7, 2010 7:39:11 PM

cmcghee358 said:
Most traders need multiple monitors? Do you need output to multiple monitors?

Good question! I am a systematic trader--my strategies are programmed and automated. I am not like the discretionary traders who are making quick decisions all the time and need access to a lot of information. I'm essentially just keeping an eye on things, making sure everything is functioning properly. I can do that with one good-sized monitor.
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November 7, 2010 8:04:45 PM

Well even if you need 2, any modern graphics card allows for 2 monitors. I know some of those other traders use 4-5 monitors so I was just checking to make sure :) 
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November 7, 2010 8:06:38 PM

If you want to save money, drop to a 5450 Graphics Card(Or something in the 55xx series).

Since you're not gaming these will be more than enough, because the CPU is doing the brunt of the system work(calculations/predictions)

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November 7, 2010 9:08:19 PM

cmcghee358 said:
If you want to save money, drop to a 5450 Graphics Card(Or something in the 55xx series).

Since you're not gaming these will be more than enough, because the CPU is doing the brunt of the system work(calculations/predictions)

Thanks Mr. McGhee! I appreciate your input. So do you agree with Mr. Atotalnoob's choices? Anything else you would do different besides the graphics card? And would you pick CyberPower over, say, Digital Storm?

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November 7, 2010 9:22:40 PM

The only personal experience I've had with a custom computer company is iBuypower.

From what Ive read/seen CyberpowerPC is on the same level as iBuypower. Which imo, is sub-standard. Using the process of elimination, that leaves Digital Storm.

Then again, have you considered building it yourself?
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November 7, 2010 10:37:56 PM

Digital storm I hate, personally, Ibuypower and Cyberpower are basically clones ^^....

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Then again, have you considered building it yourself?
read above....



I added another GPU for several monitors like Ghee said.... but other then that nothing should be different... He is right about having 55xx or so...
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November 7, 2010 11:01:30 PM

Again, thanks for the input.

I bought a PC from an online custom builder back in '07 and wasn't very pleased with the experience. Really crappy communication; wouldn't answer emails much. The site was AeonCraft.com. Appears they may be out of business now--the site won't come up for me.

Have you guys ever heard of NCIX.com? http://pc.ncix.com/ncixpc/

Saw them mentioned on another forum.

I haven't had the time this weekend to look closely at what you recommended; basically I just glanced at it. I will go through it more closely tomorrow and give you my thoughts.

Thanks for all the assistance, I do appreciate it.

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November 7, 2010 11:07:02 PM

It looks like that http://pc.ncix.com/ncixpc/ site has an excellent PC configurator. It appears to allow you to select from a much larger pool of parts than does CyberPowerPC. Check it out and let me know what you think.
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November 8, 2010 12:19:49 AM

They are Canadian....
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November 8, 2010 5:16:28 PM

Hey Pluto.

I can certainly vouch for NCIX, and I know a lot of other people would. They are a Canadian company, but do have a US site which is along the same lines.

I have had nothing but pleasent experiences with NCIX, as I have ordered parts for half a dozen different computers over the years.

I know someone who has built a ~2000$ computer from them and they installed everything and fully configured it, with no problems. They do charge an extra $50 to install and configure your machine, but obviously on a +2000 computer this is pennies.

However, don't just get stuck on their PC configurator. You can build a shopping card with all of the necessary parts, and as I mentioned above they will assemble it and install all drivers and configure it just for $50. They will then ship it to your address. They also have a great price match program, that I have never had a problem with.

Not using the PC configurator allows you to essentially pay the same price you would for building a computer yourself, but only for $50 extra.
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November 8, 2010 6:08:09 PM

Very nice tip there JordoR!!
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November 8, 2010 6:13:12 PM

Thats pretty damn good actually.
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November 8, 2010 6:13:38 PM

The most important part is if you do it through the shopping cart, you are literally picking every components, ensuring quality.
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November 8, 2010 6:32:46 PM

Hey, JordoR, thanks. I appreciate that. I didn't realize you could assemble the parts in the cart and then have them build it.

One point, though: I think you pay the $50 either way, whether you go through the PC configurator or not. The reason I say this is I configured a machine through the Configurator and at the end it has the following:



So it appears that all the configurator is doing for you is streamlining the process.



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November 8, 2010 8:38:45 PM

I'd just pay them to put it together, you said above you ddn't want to...
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November 8, 2010 10:19:59 PM

Agreed. $50 is peanuts for me compared to having to do it myself...
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November 8, 2010 11:09:11 PM

Since you are mist likely going with NCIX, I would build your PC around the Phenom X6 1055T & your wife's around the Athlon II X4 640. These two CPU's will provide a solid foundation for both of your needs.
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November 9, 2010 12:07:52 AM

Can I ask why you prefer the AMD chips to Intel's? I have always gone with Intel in the past.
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November 9, 2010 12:20:31 AM

Okay... I reviewed you needs and felt the AMD Hex-Core (actually the X6 1090T is the better option) would meet your speed / multi-tasking needs at a lower price. Granted, if you need (& you know better than I do) the fastest system for your needs, I say the i7 980X can't be currently matched by any CPU (outside of Xeon's). Another option is getting a dual-CPU Xeon based PC for faster speeds :)  .

As for your wife's PC, there is really no better value than the Athlon II X4 640 for a "standard" multi-tasking PC. I just don't see the need to spend the extra $'s on an Intel build... IMO.
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November 9, 2010 12:56:07 AM

Agreed, except for the 980X, he can afford it, and it is enough of a step forward that he could use it....
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November 9, 2010 9:04:47 PM

Are there any forum members who do custom builds in New York? I am a new member of the is forum but have been (I guess) lurking for years...
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November 10, 2010 5:13:58 AM

Man if I could do a custom build a week(for free of course) I'd be a happy camper!
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November 10, 2010 1:15:32 PM

cmcghee358 said:
Man if I could do a custom build a week(for free of course) I'd be a happy camper!

Ever considered making a business out of it? You know the saying--"Do what you love, the money will follow..."
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November 10, 2010 4:17:09 PM

yeah.... I am tooo busy with my job, I am hardly ever home anymore...
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November 10, 2010 5:37:39 PM

Pluto1618 said:
Ever considered making a business out of it? You know the saying--"Do what you love, the money will follow..."


I full fledged business isn't practical. I've looked into it. So whatever I can manage on the side through word of mouth suits me fine.

I'm also considering doing Geek Squad part time. I know Geek Squad is lame, but that's only because Toms Hardware people don't work for them ;) 
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November 10, 2010 6:09:21 PM

Quote:
I'm also considering doing Geek Squad part time. I know Geek Squad is lame, but that's only because Toms Hardware people don't work for them
lol yeah
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