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November 8, 2010 12:30:10 AM

i am building a new computer, ive never done this before but so far i have figured out most of what

i would like to see in it based on my own research. Please let me know what you think as im not

even sure how compatible all these things are with eachother. help me build the monster guys :) 



i need some input from all you experienced builders out there how this would look?



1. Case (antec 900 two)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2. Mother board (MSI Big Bang Fuzion LGA 1156 Intel

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3. Graphics Card (Nvidia GTX 460 SS 1GB evga)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4. Memory RAM ( Corsair XMS3 6GB ddr3 1600) 7 cas

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5. Power supply Corsair AX850 850W

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6. HDD Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black 7200 RPM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

7. drives dont matter to me yet but i may get a blu ray.

8. Processor/CPU Intel Core i7-950 Bloomfield 3.06GHz

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...







Approximate Purchase Date:
(This Month or Next)

Budget Range:
around 1,500 Before / After Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important:

GAMING!! , watching movies, surfing the internet

Parts Not Required: (e.g.: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS) **Include Power Supply Make & Model If Re-using**

um this is seperate in my buget however i am in need of a good monitor looking for LED with high resolution.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
newegg.com, Amazon.com and Frys basically anywhere with best deals)

Country of Origin:
i am in the US

Parts Preferences: by brand or type
i would like to use Intel Corsair and Nvidia based products i am open to Radeon though
And i want to fit everything in a great mid tower case.

Overclocking: Yes / No / Maybe

i dont want to overclock it myself really as i am not experienced but i would buy a pre overclocked graphic card

SLI or Crossfire: Yes / No / Maybe

YES i am particularly interested in SLI of the geforce GTX460

Monitor Resolution:

the more the better, but at least 1080


Additional Comments:

i would like a quite PC and if possible a elegant or cool looking case. this computer has to run crisis on ultra :D 

and i believe that is all maybe i forgot somthing but please let me tell me your opinions and i will consider them. Build me a Monster Guys! :D 

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a b B Homebuilt system
November 8, 2010 1:04:09 AM

HDD? SSD?
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November 8, 2010 1:17:31 AM

oh sorry thats what i forgot. i will be buying a 1TB WD harddrive black caviar
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November 8, 2010 6:27:31 PM

yikes! yeah i tried to say i wrote all that stuff on the spot but i want an i7 not sure which type is best for me though.

I will fill that out though like you said and post it. thanks
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 9, 2010 4:06:38 AM

That i7 isn't even compatible with your motherboard.

No offense but you clearly don't have enough knowledge to be choosing parts.
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November 11, 2010 6:29:27 AM

sorry since this i have made a new thread and am now much more knowledgable. also if i claimed to be full of knowledge on parts i would not have made a thread here asking for help on choosing parts in the first place now would i?

thanks anyways for the input i have decided on an i7 875k
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November 11, 2010 7:25:50 AM

If you would wait, the Sandy Bridge will be released on Jan 2011. It has price as cheap as i5-750/760, with power as great as i7 or even ~980X in some fields.
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November 11, 2010 7:31:06 AM

ive been hearing a lot about this "sandy bridge" but i have no idea what it is. is it an i7 processor?
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November 11, 2010 7:36:26 AM

reading up it seems very interesting. only problem is i already own a new fuzion motherboard and it looks like this chip needs a whole new type of motherboard to work.
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 11, 2010 8:00:14 AM

Have you already bought parts? You may be able to return them if you are really keen on SB.

If you have an alright system now then waiting for SB will be very good, though if you really need a new system then that makes waiting a bit hard.

SB is a new CPU architecture, it looks to be very promising.
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November 11, 2010 8:06:27 AM

well i bought the big bang fuzion motherboard a few months ago for a steal price on ebay new. so i doubt i could return it now. though SB looks great, im not sure if its worth selling this mobo and waiting for the next line of mobos which probably wont be out till later this year im guessing.
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 11, 2010 9:45:53 AM

Yes you probably can't return it.

What are you doing with your PC? If its only gaming then the i5 7XX will be just as or more powerful over the i7s.
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November 11, 2010 4:33:06 PM

Ill be using it primarily for hardcore gaming, however in the future i may be running

engineering programs. and some people told me the i7-875k is the best processor i could get

for my mobo, and that it can be overclocked better than any i5. but correct me if this is wrong.
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 11, 2010 4:55:46 PM

If you bought that motherboard on ebay and it's new and you got it for a really good price you should sell it on ebay. Put a buy it now price on it that, along with shipping, you will get your money back. You can list it for $320, (which is what it's worth new), as buy it now. Then include an auction starting price at what you paid for it, or a little more, and charge shipping (which is around $11.00 flat box rate at USPS), and you will break even or make a small profit. Then you can buy an i7 board, the i7 950 you got your eye on and we'll start fresh and build you a real computer. For around $1,500.00 I think you will do nicely.
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 12, 2010 12:09:12 AM

sutecks idea is not too bad. Even if you still went with P55, you would save a lot of money by getting a board that suits your uses.

Yes the 875K is the best CPU available on 1156. I doubt it will OC better though, for extreme OCing it may but everything practical I doubt.

Engineering programs like CAD? Inventor? These utilise HT well and thus an i7 will be better then an i5. Though if your only gaming it will be no use.
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 12, 2010 1:12:16 AM

If you want to stick with that board you might like this CPU. You can even overclock it just by increasing the multiplyer, & maybe vcore depending on stability, but it is a really easy overclock. If you want to do your own research on compatible CPU's for that board you can follow this link and find the one you like/want/can afford. Also, if your looking at the i7 875k it is also triple channel support so it's overkill for the board and memory you're getting, so, again, you might want to sell the board to get what you really want.
The memory you selected most likely will not work with that motherboard. It is not listed on their Qualified Vendors' List nor does it come up when you use the corsair memory configurator - Excellent tool - and the memory you selected is for triple channel and your board is dual channel. That being the case I wouldn't waste my time and money on it. Here is a list from Corsair for compatible memory and here is a link to the QVL from MSI. Follow either of these and you shouldn't have any trouble on that score. I personally like to stick to the QVL since it lets you know what will work in all four slots.
Looks like the video card is a good choice and the PSU should be adequate to handle that load. Your antec case looks big enough for the job as well with room for nice air flow for temps. so you didn't do all that bad.
After looking at all this it seems like you're probably spending around (low end) $1,300 to $1,500 bucks. (depending on hard drives, cd/DVD/BluRay drives and cpu cooling since the stock coolers (if they come with the CPU) are hardly ever up to the job. At those kinds of prices you might as well work on an i7 9xxx series kit with all the future benefits and likelyhood of not having to upgrade for quite some time. I always figure a little overkill now helps you keep up later.
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November 12, 2010 1:57:05 AM

@ Suteck

Thanks for the input there. thats not a bad idea at all. i didnt really think of it mostly because i wasnt sure if there is even demand for my board now that this new type is coming out.

You are right also about the memory and since i made this thread i have fixed my list so i will post the new build concept here right now..




1. Case (antec 900 two)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

2. Mother board (MSI Big Bang Fuzion LGA 1156 Intel

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

3. Graphics Card (Nvidia GTX 460 SS 1GB evga) I WOULD BUY 2 FOR SLI

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

4. Memory RAM G.skill RipJAW 8GB (2x4GB) 1600 DDR3 EDITED!!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5. Power supply Corsair AX850 850W

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

6. HDD Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black 7200 RPM

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

7. drives dont matter to me yet but i may get a blu ray.

8. Processor/CPU Intel Core i7-875k EDITED!!

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...







Approximate Purchase Date:
(This Month or Next)

Budget Range:
around 1,500 Before / After Rebates

System Usage from Most to Least Important:

GAMING!! , watching movies, surfing the internet

MAYBE ENGINEERING SOFTWARE

Parts Not Required: (e.g.: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS) **Include Power Supply Make & Model If Re-using**

um this is seperate in my buget however i am in need of a good monitor looking for LED with high resolution.

Preferred Website(s) for Parts:
newegg.com, Amazon.com and Frys basically anywhere with best deals)

Country of Origin:
i am in the US

Parts Preferences: by brand or type
i would like to use Intel Corsair and Nvidia based products i am open to Radeon though
And i want to fit everything in a great mid tower case.

Overclocking: Yes / No / Maybe

i dont want to overclock it myself really as i am not experienced but i would buy a pre overclocked graphic card

EDITED: I MAY OVERCLOCK IN THE FUTURE ONCE I LEARN MORE ABOUT IT

SLI or Crossfire: Yes / No / Maybe

YES i am particularly interested in SLI of the geforce GTX460

Monitor Resolution:

the more the better, but at least 1080


Additional Comments:

i would like a quite PC and if possible a elegant or cool looking case. this computer has to run crisis on ultra :D 

and i believe that is all maybe i forgot somthing but please let me tell me your opinions and i will consider them. Build me a Monster Guys! :D 
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November 12, 2010 2:03:23 AM

i think its important that i also ask this question, If i do decide now to sell this board and

start over, when should i expect to to have my computer by at the soonest?

the reason i am asking is that i assume these new MOBO's havent even been designed yet since the processors themselves have yet to be released.

Last question is, if i do wait and we go with the sandybeaches and new MOBO and stuff.

how much of an improvement do you think we would see over the build concept i just listed?

Thanks for your time guys and as always feel free to let me know any opinions, i am

interested in all of your comments.
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 12, 2010 4:52:59 AM

You need to make the decision to wait for SB or not, we can't make it for you. Can you handle not having a new PC for 3 months? The gaming advantages will not be great with current GPU offerings as the current CPUs don't bottleneck GPUs. This may change though as newer GPUs come out though this would take a while I think, especially with OCing.

Where you will see large benefits is with "Engineering Applications". Though you haven't told us what they are... and how serious it will be. Will it just be learning? Or will it be time is money stuff where you don't mind paying for extra CPU power.

If your no super cereal about the engineering applications then I think your best CPU choice would be the i5 750. In games you will see no performance increase by going with the i7 8XX or 9XX yet it will save you money to get a beefier graphics setup which will give you more performance.

Selling that board will save you around $150. That $150 will certainly go a long way towards graphics cards though you decide.

If you decide not to go with SB then I do think it would be wise to wait for the 69XX cards from ATI. They are sceduled for 22nd of Nov as long as they don't get delayed. If you do wait for them I think you should go with around either 2 6950s or 2 6970 depending on price. This will give you a lot of performance over a GTX 460 SLI.

In conclusion I think it would be best to wait till 69XX launch as you don't seem to mind waiting. And I'll put my vote in for an i5 760.

@sutek
The reason that memory is not on the QVL is because its a triple channel kit. The XMS3 1600MHz C7 4GB is on the list. Though I prefer the Ripjaws anyway.

That dual core i5 would be a terrible CPU to get at this point. The unlocked multi means little to non extreme OCers and the OP was already looking at an unlocked i7.

You say the i7 8XX has triple channel memory support and quote this as a bad thing. It is on a platform which only supports dual channel memory so I don't exactly see how you get to that.

The only benefit to the i7 9XX is that they run on X58 which supports 3 way SLI/CF. Though this can be had with a much cheaper NF200 P55 board. Also there are barely any upgrade options, same as P55. Though it is possible for it to receive SB CPUs though this is unconfirmed (last I heard).

The 9XX will not help the OP "not upgrade for quite some time", nor is it a "little overkill". It is the same as an i7 8XX but on X58. All this does is give it the "possibility" of SB.

Sorry to be so negative, don't take it the wrong way.



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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
November 12, 2010 7:21:30 AM

Cough cough, Big Bang fuzion is defiantly not worth the price, your better off getting a MSI Fuzion, not the big bang fuzion. Plus, Cayman and SB as mentioned prior are coming out... soo... it'd be stupid to buy now. Sir you need way more research then you think buddy.
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a c 91 B Homebuilt system
November 12, 2010 7:31:57 AM

Also... I just looked at your build over again, you chosen a decent set of stuff... But lets say you don't wait and you get this build. Your getting a retarded HDD, WD's are overated and overpriced, Samsung F3's are much better and much cheaper, especially the sales on the 1TB now at Newegg, it's a bargain. Next, you have a 1500$ budget, but yet you aren't getting an SSD. What's up with that? I recommend the A-Data S599 mainly because its a bargain at 100 for 64gb, and it's a SF-1220 so it's just as good as the Vertex 2. If you know what those are.

To evaluate on the F3, the F3 is a 500gb platter size the platter size will help in read and write speeds while the WD series only has a 320gb platter size. Granted, yours is the updated Black version, but at 90$ for a 1TB when the F3 1tb is 70$ and performs just as good, it's a save. Don't say "Sata 6" because then I'll know you didn't do research.

Mobo, very bad mobo, it's a good in the sense of OCing and other things, but price point is retarded at 300$. You should look at the MSI Fuzion, it's the mainstream version with all the same cababilties and cheaper too. It's a stupid decision to waste 300$ on a mobo if you don't have a 3000$ budget (which then if you did I'd just call you stupid) -_-.

Anyway, onto your Power supply, sure corsair is a great brand yes its a 80+ gold. You don't need it though, at MOST you probably need only a 750w. And even then it doesn't need to be 80+ Gold cert. I mean you save 30$ going from that Corsair to this XFX of the same wattage, http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

However, will you need it? No imo, I think you should just go with a 750w. But that's just my opinion.

XFX 750: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
A-Data S599: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
F3 1TB: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
MSI Fuzion: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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November 12, 2010 8:06:51 AM

@aznshinobi

i tried to read everything before i commented back on what you said but i after you mentioned my "bad choice" 3 times i have to

just make it clear that if you read this thread properly you may have noticed that i have already bought that MOBO and i bought it

for HALF the retail price on ebay brand new so i got a great deal i would say dont you? dont take it the wrong way, id just prefer

you understand the facts before you judge my decisions here.

Im very confused at your words calling it a horrible MOBO but then suggesting the cheaper version of it. But i see now you feel

that way mainly because of the high price. i suggest you make that clear though in your reasonings because people would not know why you are critiquing the product.

....ok im finished reading now

your not the first who recommended the lower wattage and XFX. i just decided based on preference that i prefer the 850 because i never want to have to buy a new PSU in the future just because i buy some new power hungry graphic card. i want to make my pc future proof and upgrade friendly you see. and if the cost is only an extra 30 bucks then its worth it to me.

As for corsair vs XFX i didnt do any research on XFX yet and so we can just say my sticking to corsair proof of my laziness at this

point im concentrating on other parts more than the PSU. i just believe that Corsair is basically the perfect PSU and everyone says if your going to go cheap on something do NOT make it the psu.

THANK YOU though for the HDD suggestion i think i will take your advice on that for sure. however when it comes to SDD i just think they are way to expensive for the amount of storage you get out of them. i would rather wait for them to go down in price which they will inevitably do as china makes more factories.

thank you for your input i do appreciate it.
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November 12, 2010 8:15:53 AM

@Wolygon

I can handle not having a pc for a few months, but im asking if you were me would you do it would you think its really worth it?

I am understanding this from what you say. That basically with these processors i wont have to ever worry that the game is

slowing down do to them. and that the limiting factor will be the GPU's as they still need much improvement to.

Okay i am majoring in engineering as a student, and as of yet i have not had to use any programs but i want to be prepared for the future you know? haha.

So i dont know which programs would be used either.

My question is that will games in the near future take more advantage of the hyperthreading in the i7's?

im also assuming that when you say id save $150 by waiting. that this means the newer MOBO and CPU's will be that much

cheaper. it would be good to factor in though that i already saved that much in buying this MOBO.


THANK you for telling me about these new graphic cards though. i think you just sold me on at least waiting for those. I was almost completely sold on the 460's as well. so im interested in how these new radeons would stack up against the sli 460 configuration.

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a b B Homebuilt system
November 12, 2010 8:58:23 AM

Jesus aznshinobi are you drunk? You didn't even bother to read the thread before you commented like a spastic. GTFO until you get some manners.

@OP

Hmm, I'm not sure what I'd do. I think I'd probably just get the i5 now, for gaming SB won't be bringing much and your not very serious on engin. applications. I'm studying engineering next year and I believe you might use CAD, Inventor and maybe Matlab. I run Inventor and AutoCAD on an i3 530 for learning purposes and its fine, they won't expect you to have a high end CAD workstation so you'll be fine.

I didn't say that the new SB CPUs will make it so you never have to worry about them being a problem. I was talking about the i5 not being a problem, it will take a while for i5s to bottleneck graphics cards. Also they can be OCed nicely, meaning if you need the extra power you can get it.

I don't think games using HT is a very big problem, they will be rarish and plus an OCed i5 should be able to handle most graphics setups in the immediate future.

I meant you'd save around $150 if you sold your board and bought a standard P55. Since you got the board so cheap if you sell it you basically get a P55 board for free.

I'd predict the HD6970 to run similar performance to GTX460 SLI.

Another reason not to get the SB that come out in Q1 next year is that Ivy Bridge, I think looks more promising. It is predicted for the second half of next year, also AMDs Bulldozer will be coming out thenish. These 2 new choices make SB less appealing as you already have to wait a fair while for it.

Obviously though if you have a good system waiting for SB would be nice. What system do you have? You could buy a graphics card for the new build (6970?) and put it in it for the mean time. It should satisfy your needs temporarily.

Though if you really don't mind waiting yet have a bad PC you could wait for SB as it would be ideal. If your like me you just really need a nice PC by the time Crysis 2 comes out :) .
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 12, 2010 5:42:50 PM

@Wolygon @sutek
Definitely not the wrong way, this is an open discussion and I enjoy debating and learning from what other people already know. With that said...
The reason that memory is not on the QVL is because its a triple channel kit. The XMS3 1600MHz C7 4GB is on the list. Though I prefer the Ripjaws anyway. This we agree on :ange: 


"That dual core i5 would be a terrible CPU to get at this point. The unlocked multi means little to non extreme OCers and the OP was already looking at an unlocked i7".
But this however I believe to be incorrect. It's not terrible, for one thing it's architecture is built on the 32nm's while the 875k is built on the 45mn architecture making it a little quicker on the uptake. The 655k is equipped with two physical cores that use Hyper-Threading to address four threads simultaneously. I was mostly looking at price and a lot of people say, including you, that you don't need 4 cores and 4 threads for gaming. Again working on that I was making an economical suggestion for only $200 instead of the $330 for the i7 875K other people are suggesting. (All 3 Priced at Newegg for equal comparison) And as for the unlocked multi meaning little to non extreme OC'ers? Again, I disagree - The unlocked multi IS for the NON-extremist!! It means he only has to go into bios and up the multiplier, boom, overclock done from 3.46 (in turbo) to 3.8GHz or 4.0GHz, (with the right cooling of course). NOT having to adjust bclk + multi + timings and making sure the vcore is within .5 of dram and all those settings (just examples please don't correct it) :pt1cable:  that are so important for a stable overclock.


"You say the i7 8XX has triple channel memory support and quote this as a bad thing. It is on a platform which only supports dual channel memory so I don't exactly see how you get to that."
Well, Yes :pfff:  I did say "looking at the i7 875k it is also triple channel support so it's overkill for the board and memory" and that is an incorrect statement. What I meant to say was that the memory is triple channel, but both the motherboard AND the i7 875k are only dual channel capable so the memory is overkill for those. At least you actually read my post first :lol: 

"The only benefit to the i7 9XX is that they run on X58 which supports 3 way SLI/CF. Though this can be had with a much cheaper NF200 P55 board. Also there are barely any upgrade options, same as P55. Though it is possible for it to receive SB CPUs though this is unconfirmed (last I heard)." The 9XX will not help the OP "not upgrade for quite some time", nor is it a "little overkill". It is the same as an i7 8XX but on X58.

Partially correct - the i7 9xx series (which will need the correct MOBO for), you can start with the i7 950 for only $300, (which is cheaper than the i7 875k), It has the fastest processor capabilities, (they're even on that score), support for 3 way SLI and CFX @ X16 X16 X16 (where the 875k boards only supports X16 X16 X4), AND it supports triple channel memory, (875k only supports dual channel), as well as the possibility, (your quote)- "possible for it to receive SB CPUs though this is unconfirmed (last I heard)" How is that the same? I believe it makes it top of the line for starting out, plenty of cores, memory and vid card support. Not all usable now as you stated but will be there in the future when/if games develop, and the engineering starts moving into 3D, Which means to me that you won't HAVE to upgrade "for quite some time to come".

Also there are barely any upgrade options, same as P55.
Sorry, but unless he starts out with the i7 980X and 24GB's of memory and all 3 (or possibly 4), Video graphics cards I see room for upgrades years down the road if he needs/wants them. (Not to mention the possibility of SB)

So much for the fun part, back to work :sol: 
"i think its important that i also ask this question, If i do decide now to sell this board and start over, when should i expect to to have my computer by at the soonest?"
Well, if you sell it on ebay and give it a weeks air time it will be at least a week. You can start buying your other components right away. Of course you will need to pick everything you're looking at getting and put it on a list, checking to make sure it's all compatible. One of the things you will need to take into consideration is the video cards, If you're looking at getting the 2 6950s or 2 6970's that Wolygon suggested (and I do like them), then you will have to wait the 10 days till they come out. You might be able to even pre-order them so they come straight to you when they do. I wouldn't wait on the SandyBridge and all that before I did anything. The only waiting on those that I want to do is for other people, benchmarkers and reviews and the like to get them and test them and publish results and then wait for the corrections to be made the same as for any product comes out. You could have it in a month on the outside depending on the shipping. The longest part is figuring out exactly what you want to have in it. Checking out all compatibilities, keeping in mind any possible future upgrades, (like the video cards, do they need 1-6 pin and 1-8 pin each?, or 2-6 pin power connectors each, do you plan on getting a third card 6 months down the road?, so when you buy your power supply make sure it has all the appropriate connectors. So if you think on that and give us an updated list, or have any questions about parts you found or would like to find, we can help you some more. We all have our opinions and preferences and a good bit of knowledge to share and help you with and we don't always agree on it but that's good cause you get to see both sides and chose for yourself. I'm just thankful you're not asking about AMD's, I know nothing about those "things" :heink:  :lol: 
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 12, 2010 10:00:32 PM

What is your major? I'm a senior EE student and have had no issues with my 4000+ (Matlab, SPICE, etc.) I have no need for Solidworks/CAD though.
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a b B Homebuilt system
November 13, 2010 12:53:11 AM

@suteck
Thanks for not taking it the wrong way, I hate cry babies you can't debate :) .

The reason I dissed the i5 is because the i3 530 is "almost" the same yet so much cheaper. The only advantages to the i5 is its "Turbo Boost" which no real OCer uses, and its hardware encryption acceleration (which is amazing, though not useful). So basically we can compare it to the i3 (i3 has HT). Here is a review which compares a stack of different CPUs in 5870 CF:
http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/radeon_hd_...
Basically it can be seen that the i3 is a bit limiting. Though take note that these restrictions are rather unrealistic as no one cares if they drop from 100fps to 80fps so it doesn't really matter. Where it starts to matter is where they crank the graphics and resolution right up so they're playing at 40fps, then they care if they go to 30fps. But also note that when they crank it up this high less load goes on the CPU and more on the GPU meaning this loss won't really happen...

I know thats a bit hard to understand. :) . Bacially I said an i3 530 would make much difference, though I don't really think it would be appropriate. This is a bit of parroting as though there won't be much benefit it is generally advisable to go for a 7XX if your running a 5870+.

The i5 7XX will easily outperform an i3 in CPU intensive applications (engineering?), this is because HT <> real cores. Feel free to look up some carts.

Yes I agree with you on that unlocked multis are easier to OC. Though OCing standardly is pretty easy, a 4GHz clock can be achieved in a small amount of time. Your only really having to play with the VTT voltage and turn the RAM multi down. I have an i3 and it is not hard to OC. Also in reality the unlocked is for the extremist, notice Intel used to can them EE (extreme edition).

For example:
Clocked at 7137.47MHz NickShih used a 264MHz bclock with an i5 670
Clocked at 7140.30MHz CAL930 used a 204MHz bclock with an i5 655K
Achieving a 204MHz bclock is a bloody lot easier.

The i7 8XX is the same chip as the i7 9XX is what I was saying. On their platform is different. First of all triple channel memory is not required for basically anything:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/Intel-Core-i7-Nehal...
X58 allows x16/x8/x8 whereas standard P55 allows x8/x8/x4. Adding a third card card to P55 actually decreases performance back down to single card levels.

Though I wasn't taking about standard P55 boards:
"Though this can be had with a much cheaper NF200 P55 board."
A NF200 board like below allows x16/x8/x8 on P55:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

If X58 doesn't get SB then it really doesn't have any merit. Wow you can upgrade to more RAM, though no one needs more than 16GB which is what the P55 can supply. And also you can upgrade to a 980X!!! When the time comes to upgrade the CPU, it will be just as good to upgrade the board and CPU to an SB one. The 980X offers little over the 4 core i7s and thus is not much of an upgrade.

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November 13, 2010 2:04:43 AM

Wolygon said:
Jesus aznshinobi are you drunk? You didn't even bother to read the thread before you commented like a spastic. GTFO until you get some manners.


Lol I was infact not drunk but sleep deprived and I kind of just browsed through and gave my two cents. Black Ops can take your sleep away. Anyway, I now understand why haha.

Sorry for my misunderstanding.

But... your not interested in overclocking. I don't think you need to spend the money on a Intel K processor, I mean since you aren't OCing (which is what the K series is really for, a better decision (if you don't want to wait) is a 870 which is about 40-50$ cheaper than the 875K. Plus even if you ever want to OC, the i3/i5/i7 all offer very good OCing, the only thing the 875K is worth is multi unlocked, and even then, unless you plan to get water cooling, you won't be able to OC it past the level you could a 870. Of course, this is just what I've seen from air cooling and a i7 875K.

Another thing is I strongly encourage you to take Wolygon's Cayman advice. It's coming out this month and your really haven't bought your GPU's yet so I think it's worth the wait to wait for the Cayman release. From a site called PowerCouler, they released a leak on the 6970, it's performance should be 50% above the 6870, which puts it at 580 level. Now the only thing is pricing, but I think that the 6950 would be a good card as that'll probably close to the 6970 like the 5850 to the 5870. So... I think you should wait out on the GPU.

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November 13, 2010 2:11:18 AM

Oh by the by, here's some reasons you should wait for SB. And why you should get the XFX and save some cash. Btw if you do go with the 870 (instead of the 875K) and the XFX 850 or 750 (instead of the Corsair AX850) the money you save could get a 6970 or 6950 depending on pricing. ANYWAY to the proof.

SB Performance: http://www.anandtech.com/show/3871/the-sandy-bridge-pre...
XFX 850 review: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2009/12/10/xfx_black_edi...
Cayman performance: http://www.donanimhaber.com/ekran-karti/haberleri/power...

(For the Cayman proof, use google translate to translate the page XD)
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November 14, 2010 2:22:06 AM

so what im seeing is that the i7-875k thats out now can pretty much handle anything thats out at max . im not really the bench mark enthusiast i dont need the best if its not necessary.

after asking a few people i think i will be able to run any engineering program pretty well without SB

my main question is how well can i run crisis with the setup i chosen (assuming i go with the better graphic card Radeon)

and also how much of an improvement is the new radeon graphic card you mentioned over the GTX460? (the similar priced one)
what will the prices be?

I will go with xfx now thank you :) 

Also i wanna ask is it really worth selling and rebuying a p55 board?, i mean isnt the one i have now extremely fast? it also has an oc genie and a great sound card.
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November 14, 2010 6:31:32 AM

I think the i5 750 will be a better shot for you, it will be just as good in gaming and similar in CPU intensive stuff. But its a lot cheaper.

With a single 6970 you'd be looking at similar performance to a GTX480 or possibly a GTX580. Heres benchmarks in crysis:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,258...

A single 6970 should have similar performance to 2 GTX 460s.

You need to decide yourself whether its worth it. You will see no performance, no gain by keeping that board. If you resell it and get a nice NF200 board you will save around $100-$125. Is that worth it to you? Taking into account that the current board will be NO better. You decide.
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November 14, 2010 7:38:42 AM

Well... Here is the thing LucidHydra is pretty sweet, I mean it's a great idea.... But... It's just not there yet, drivers are pretty fresh and the tech is pretty new. Tom's did a review on it, in things like MW2 and other COD games, Lucid performed better than crossfire bridges and such. But... In others like Stalker, it performed at the level of a single card. So... I mean NF200 is pretty sweet though.

Uh.... So like I said I think that the i5 760/750 or the i7 870 is good enough especially since you don't plan to OC. The i5 will give you great performance for the buck, plus save you 130$ from the 875K. In turn you could put that towards the Caymans. Um.... the 6970 is espected to run about on par with the 580, or 50% better than the 6870. However since AMD had some part shipping problems the delay is now until Christmas... So... If you want Cayman you'll hafta wait. But leaks are everywhere now, AMD is just trying to hype it up like the Barts.

Assuming with the Cayman, you'll run it as good as the 580 can run it, maxed out everything. With the 460 in SLI you'll run it as good as the 480 can run. So... either way, you'll get no slacking with that. Plus the i5 handles many GPU bottlenecks and games like Crysis just fine.
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November 15, 2010 8:03:57 AM

Wolygon said:

With a single 6970 you'd be looking at similar performance to a GTX480 or possibly a GTX580. Heres benchmarks in crysis:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480,258...

A single 6970 should have similar performance to 2 GTX 460s.
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that bench mark does not show the 6970 card : /
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November 15, 2010 8:05:13 AM

will the caymans be as expensive as the gtx480?
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November 15, 2010 8:10:57 AM

i aslo want to ask how an SSD would work on the mobo i have now? i heard something about sata 3 or controllers being important for SSD

i have no clue if im missing something here. its very important to me that i will be able to use SSD in the future to their full potential .
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November 15, 2010 9:08:49 AM

Jesus triple post, haha.

We don't know, it's all speculation, and as he said you'd see similar performance. The cayman reports 50% over a 6870 and that'd put it at 580 so thats why we say that.

As for your SSD, It'd be the same way an HDD works, you connect the SATA 3 cable from the SSD to the mobo, same way the HDD works. The controller is inside the SDD.
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November 15, 2010 7:24:07 PM

sorry about that i was very sleepy and too lazy to edit my post to add questions lol.

so i guess ill wait for the caymans. i dont really want a hot and loud card thats why i origionally wanted to go with GTX460 in SLI

but if radeon is coming out with a card with similar performance/efficiency ratio but higher performance, then i would definitely consider it. so i guess its the waiting game for me.

i dont remember if i asked this before, but would most people go with the haf 922 over the antec 902 case? im interested mostly in a silent but very cool (temperature and aesthetics wise) case about mid size as i want to be able to transport it without to much difficulty (might attend 1 lan party a month or so)

also if someone can link me to the best 1TB HDD in their opinion. that would be helpful as i am having trouble finding one that i like.
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November 15, 2010 9:53:48 PM

Both are defiantly not quiet, the thing that's good about the HAF is it's high air flow, however the 902 has good airflow (not as good as the 922 but still good) and it also has fan controllers on the edges of the intake fans, and a controller on the back for the exhaust fans. Another thing about the 902 that the 922 doesn't have is the 902 has Dust filters.

I really hate dust cleaning so I like the 902 because of the dust filters, plus you basically get free fan controller. Oh and don't worry about cable management as the 902 has cable management holes as well.

Umm the best 1tb is the F3 hands down, low cost, 500gb platter and always on sale at newegg.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Review: http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/storage/2009/10/06/sam...
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November 15, 2010 10:49:34 PM

"Both are defiantly not quiet,"

with respect. i know for a fact that this is not true. not only have many reviews said the opposite, but i was at my friends lan party last week and i heard for myself how quite the antec 900 is.


i also dont know how you can say that the samsung is better when in the very benchmarks you showed me, it rates exactly the same at the wetern digital caviar black .

aside from that is it even safe to buy harddrives from online retailers? i heard their packaging of HDD's are awful. and lead to drive failures
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November 16, 2010 4:28:22 AM

Yes but look at the Caviar black's prices... They are more than the Samsung F3's. And look at that, it is a Caviar Black 2TB not the Caviar Black 1TB. They aren't the same design or drive.

And I haven't had any bad experience as Newegg has really improved their HDD packaging.
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November 16, 2010 4:30:35 AM

you would think the smaller the space the faster the drive though
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November 16, 2010 4:36:47 AM

Not really... It's the architecture of the drive in a sense.
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November 16, 2010 5:00:15 AM

well then why did you mention the difference in storage in the first place?
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November 16, 2010 5:11:00 AM

Because they have different architecture.... And the F3 is cheaper than the WD Blacks... But if you don't want to save money... That's fine by me, meaning if your set on it then doesn't matter to me.
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November 16, 2010 10:40:42 PM

no its not that. i just think its misleading when some people say that one item is better than another, only because of the price. if its the same quality, but at a cheaper price then thats definitely a valid reason to buy it.

do people usually put everything on one HDD? or do they separate the operating system and their games across 2 or more?
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November 16, 2010 10:54:42 PM

Ermm... yes... and no... If you have money in your budget to buy an SSD (most enthusiasts fit it into their budget) then you would split your data in two. Since the SSD would be the boot drive, only used to store your OS and other programs you want to boot fast like Photoshop 5 or Adobe Premiere 5 and the SSD would store the more important thing you want to boot. Mainly because usually you'd only buy a 64gb-120gb SSD. Then the F3 or whatever your large size HDD is would store the rest you want to store. Like music, movies, pictures, the main stuff.
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November 16, 2010 10:59:29 PM

so which of the two drives would you want to store your games?
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November 16, 2010 11:04:32 PM

Depends on the game if it takes a long time to start up like Crysis or BF2 then I'd store it on the SSD. But usually I just store my games on my main HDD... Sooo..

Here's an idea, umm the F3 1TB would store your games. And your SSD would store your main programs IE OS and CS5.
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November 17, 2010 6:07:40 PM

I thought that in order to play a game it had to be installed in the running operating system? Meaning if your running win 7 on your ssd you have to install your game on the ssd. You can put it on the 1 TB but you have to install it in C://program files on the ssd. Is this not correct?
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